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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by manmental

Mrbillshowoff has ruined the integrity of this thread since his absence IMHO.


Facts don't matter to him. His only purpose here is to downplay the seriousness of the current situation and to derail this thread. He will only ruin this thread if we let him. Just ignore him.
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posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 10:11 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 10:45 PM
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Well that explains the barriers and green goo spraying action around that area! Definately double poolium falls.


Originally posted by Silverlok
So the 'other' poolium falls is on the south west south lower corner of the building :





Camera segments had a building between them and the SSW falls at all time.
edit on 30/4/11 by GhostR1der because: add both pics for area comparison



posted on Apr, 30 2011 @ 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by MedievalGhost
Today on tv during a Japanese government Diet debate, a government official said the Japanese government currently has only 500 potassium iodide pills. Only 500 pills for a country of 128 million people! Can you say FAIL?


edit on 30-4-2011 by MedievalGhost because: (no reason given)


Are you sure you heard right? ヨウ化カリウム?

I've got the stream running right now - I assume you were watching the 予算委員会, because that's the only one that was scheduled for this morning. Can you tell me who was speaking, or anything about the context, so I can fast forward a bit?


Edit: not seeing anything on any of the news sites or search engines about this. Granted, the search term "ヨウ化カリウム" is right up there with "porn" or "viagra" for spam results at the moment, but I can't see anything to back your claim. Doesn't seem to be any shortage of it for sale, at least.





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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by vox2442

Originally posted by MedievalGhost
Today on tv during a Japanese government Diet debate, a government official said the Japanese government currently has only 500 potassium iodide pills. Only 500 pills for a country of 128 million people! Can you say FAIL?


edit on 30-4-2011 by MedievalGhost because: (no reason given)


Are you sure you heard right? ヨウ化カリウム?

I've got the stream running right now - I assume you were watching the 予算委員会, because that's the only one that was scheduled for this morning. Can you tell me who was speaking, or anything about the context, so I can fast forward a bit?


Edit: not seeing anything on any of the news sites or search engines about this. Granted, the search term "ヨウ化カリウム" is right up there with "porn" or "viagra" for spam results at the moment, but I can't see anything to back your claim. Doesn't seem to be any shortage of it for sale, at least.





edit on 30-4-2011 by vox2442 because: (no reason given)


hey VOX2442 any data on that I just spent 45 minutes checking every post on this thread from you and can find NO ADDITIVE DATA. let me be clear you are NOT provocative but simply obstructionist and adversarial , kind of anti ats , but perhaps I can help , U2U is designed for those kinds of questions , as his is a quest for more information (what ATS is about) and yours is exactly the opposite,

let me give you an example:

odd are you sure about those numbers I cannot verify them(additive), I understand your upset but let's make sure we have accurate information : where are you looking , can you provide a link ( and in good ats fashion ) do you understand the politics of the organization supporting that link ?

well let us start on match 21
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by Silverlok
hey VOX2442 any data on that I just spent 45 minutes checking every post on this thread from you and can find NO ADDITIVE DATA. let me be clear you are NOT provocative but simply obstructionist and adversarial , kind of anti ats , but perhaps I can help , U2U is designed for those kinds of questions , as his is a quest for more information (what ATS is about) and yours is exactly the opposite,

let me give you an example:

odd are you sure about those numbers I cannot verify them(additive), I understand your upset but let's make sure we have accurate information : where are you looking , can you provide a link ( and in good ats fashion ) do you understand the politics of the organization supporting that link ?

well let us start on match 21
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where am I looking?

here.

that's the stream that went out this morning, where the OP said he heard that there were only 500 potassium iodide pills in the government's possession.

I asked him to clarify who (or at elast when) it was said. because I can't verify it. And I'd like to.

As to why the claim is suspect:


東日本大震災に伴う福島第1原子力発電所の事故を受け、日医工は「ヨウ化カリウム丸」25万人分(50万丸)を 被災地に無償提供した。同社には現在、80万人分(160万丸)の在庫があり、今後も必要に応じて追加的に無償提 したいとしており、緊急の事態に備え増産体制にも入ったという。原子力安全研究協会のホームページによる 、原子力災害で放出される放射性ヨウ素は、体内に取り込まれると甲状腺に選択的に集積し、放射線の内部被 くによる甲状腺がんなどを発生させる可能性がある。ヨウ化カリウムは、これに対し予防的に服用することで 放射性ヨウ素の甲状腺への集積を防ぐことができるため、甲状腺への放射線被ばくを阻止・低減する効果があ (CBNews、16 日)

source. ATS isn't recognizing some of the characters in preview for some reason, proper text at the site if it doesn't come up right.

As for the rest of your rant: sorry if asking for more information seems obstructionist and adversarial, and apologies if calling people out on fear mongering, or their mistranslations, or spreading unsubstantiated rumour strikes you as "anti-ATS". Next time, take it to U2U. Or feel free to pass it by.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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While searching for the other falls I happened to notice a couple of odd things in the (before clean-up ) pics from between 3 and 4:
First thing that jumped out at me is after watching DWW's awesome video links those things circled (poorly) in green appear to be the crane arms from one of the internal cranes at the #3 building. I think any explosive force powerful enough to have ejected such long thin objects would have leveled the building so it's one more bit of evidence that a mechanical/structural ejection mechanism propelled them to the spots we see them in (remember the bonk bonk bonk sounds) Now while looking at that I notice that our pre-moved vent pipe looks like something shot out of building #4 and did the damage we see. Incidentally the angel and direction necessary to do the damage we see to the vent pipe imply an angle that would have the projectile leaving #4 from the hole where the fubarium falls are. Also that vent/area is the place the Tepco people were very keen on cleaning up and removing stuff from . I would certainly like to know what shot out of four and why it was so important that they sent guys near that poolium for it (now I think SF noticed some of this stuff but I couldn't find those posts , so apologies to all if I am chasing tails :-)
Hi. I am grateful to the the active participants in this who are furthering the knowledge base within this thread I visit religiously every day...

I watched the video the Today show provided this morning and recorded it as best I could with a hand-held digi-cam. I froze some frames and made some stills. In these stills, the first seconds of video got lost in editing. This is of unit 3, I hope to address in these following pics...There comes a few frames of only whiteness in between these pics... I find there being such a flash unreal as thereby not an expected amount of blast debris.

The last pic here, I circled some items in question. The circle on the left side upper looks quite large to me, I asked myself if it could be the crane from unit 3...The circle on the left I wondered if could be the RPV cap? And the last circled item I haven't a clue.

Sorry about the amount of space I'm using in this post.









posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:25 AM
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interesting color content,why , and why , but more importantly how , exactly , film these days is like the antique road show finger prints equal higher prices one way or another ..



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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I mostly have been lurking, but have followed from the start. I lived in Japan for 12 years and have worked for 25 years in Japan related fields. The wife is from Osaka and is shocked about how her family is playing everything down. Here is something that I don't think I saw posted.

Japan files protest over French show on quake, nuclear emergency


The Japanese Embassy in France has filed a protest with French pay-TV operator Canal Plus for broadcasting a show which Tokyo thought mocked the huge March 11 earthquake and tsunami and the subsequent nuclear crisis that struck Japan, embassy officials said Saturday
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Also, Silverlok your post on the 15 minute video with the freeze shot, the area behind 3 and 4 with all of the "No Enter" guards and signage has an area with brick that you mentioned. In the video the Japan Nuc council guy (the guy who go to enter and make the video) asks to go in and the driver tells him that is the hose that is taking the contaminated water out. It is giving off radiation so they have put bricks on the side and covered it with lead plates to protect anyone who might have to work in the area. A lot of good visual in the video I thought but not any real provacative questions.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:39 AM
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Originally posted by Silverlok
interesting color content,why , and why , but more importantly how , exactly , film these days is like the antique road show finger prints equal higher prices one way or another ..


I can't edit for crap. In my paint program where I resized and stuff, I used the auto correct button for the color and contrast properties.
Other than that, I'm not too sure I follow your posting. The bright flash was eery, maybe due to an error while recording?

My last pic shows numerous solid bodies of material coming back to the earth. I think I'll fall back into my lurker mode in this thread. Keep up the good efforts everybody!



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:50 AM
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NO, no, do not go back to lurking.. there is some extremely interesting info there , don't be shy, but the tech is what arnie asked for so it will come under extreme scrutiny , Ill take the frame but I need to understand the source/filters



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:51 AM
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Originally posted by loveguy

Originally posted by Silverlok

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I think I'll fall back into my lurker mode in this thread. Keep up the good efforts everybody!


I wish you wouldn't. That was a good post and I'd like to see more like it.
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:03 AM
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Originally posted by loveguy

Originally posted by Silverlok
interesting color content,why , and why , but more importantly how , exactly , film these days is like the antique road show finger prints equal higher prices one way or another ..


I can't edit for crap. In my paint program where I resized and stuff, I used the auto correct button for the color and contrast properties.
Other than that, I'm not too sure I follow your posting. The bright flash was eery, maybe due to an error while recording?

My last pic shows numerous solid bodies of material coming back to the earth. I think I'll fall back into my lurker mode in this thread. Keep up the good efforts everybody!

however you did it produces some interesting # , put it back up. honest mistakes all suck but as as an observer there is something there , so may hap not a mistake at all



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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Originally posted by burikun
I mostly have been lurking, but have followed from the start. I lived in Japan for 12 years and have worked for 25 years in Japan related fields. The wife is from Osaka and is shocked about how her family is playing everything down. Here is something that I don't think I saw posted.

Japan files protest over French show on quake, nuclear emergency


The Japanese Embassy in France has filed a protest with French pay-TV operator Canal Plus for broadcasting a show which Tokyo thought mocked the huge March 11 earthquake and tsunami and the subsequent nuclear crisis that struck Japan, embassy officials said Saturday
source

Also, Silverlok your post on the 15 minute video with the freeze shot, the area behind 3 and 4 with all of the "No Enter" guards and signage has an area with brick that you mentioned. In the video the Japan Nuc council guy (the guy who go to enter and make the video) asks to go in and the driver tells him that is the hose that is taking the contaminated water out. It is giving off radiation so they have put bricks on the side and covered it with lead plates to protect anyone who might have to work in the area. A lot of good visual in the video I thought but not any real provacative questions.


thank you for this ...

some credit goes to other here( on ats) but I think we all benefit , again thank you for this and can I answer any questions you may want ?
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the things you circle , I thank you for also
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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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Here is an interesting comment by Mary Hamer MD

“ Study the close up views of the #3 reactor explosion and you will see that the blast was not the type of explosion one would expect from the ignition of hydrogen. The fireball seen in the corner of the plant may have been due to hydrogen but it was much too small to cause the main blast. Not only that, inspection reveals that this was a directional blast. Much as if a cannon had been fired straight up from inside the reactor building."

"This is what one would expect if the reactor vessel exploded with enough force to take out the drywell dome and the removable concrete pads that cover it. …
If my assessment is correct, the dark colored cloud we witnessed, that was shot approximately 1,000 feet into the air, contained the MOX core of the reactor and made this accident worse than Chernobyl. The experts that claim that Chernobyl was the worst possible form of accident due to it's lack of a containment, do not take into account that a contained core, could be violently exploded out of the containment and straight up into the atmosphere. This is worse than exploding a core that is not contained."

“All official agencies are conspicuously silent about the alpha-emitters (such as) Plutonium & Uranium (at the Fukushima nuclear accident site). We remain deeply concerned about this lack of information”.

www.countercurrents.org...

I do not remember the idea being discussed here that a large part of the core may have been ejected in the explosion of number 3 but I forget things easily.

Any thoughts on this possibility? How much plutonium and how widely dispersed are we talking if this occured?
It certainly would explain in part the lack of data released on plutonium.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Yes, it was discussed at length. Redneck, Silerlok, and a couple of others came tk the co sways that the entire core was aerosolized and shot into the atmosphere.

Old news and bad news.



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:48 AM
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Originally posted by Silverlok
reply to post by loveguy
 


NO, no, do not go back to lurking.. there is some extremely interesting info there , don't be shy, but the tech is what arnie asked for so it will come under extreme scrutiny , Ill take the frame but I need to understand the source/filters
Thanks.

I used a kodak easy share C143 to record from the TV. I cropped the photos, then sized them down to 975 pixels...As far as filters go, I use windows 7 paint to edit in text and crop after I use windows photo viewer to select auto correct. I wish I hadn't deleted the sd card upon importing it to laptop, so as to upload untouched pics...

I paused the DVR on the TV to make stills, so my frame count is off, I'm sure.

Given the distance/perspective of original video and the objects coming back down, some objects appear quite large. I think if the crane from unit 3 is not visibly intact in a current photo,(inside unit 3) and the arms Silverlok mentioned in an earlier post are from the crane and found in their present location...between 3-4? And given the angle of the dangle of video view, it appears the largest object (crane?) could have landed outside of unit 3? So, I guess, I need to find the evidence of 3's crane locale...

The bright flash though, it happened so quickly, either was edited to shorten it, or was lightning fast and they didn't bother to. There's alot of things these media and who they get their info from can divvy out more openly.

Meanwhile, I'll search for the same video footage in question (unit 3) that was on the Today show this am...

Oops. The show I recorded and thought I deleted as the "Today" show from my sd card is actually still on my dvr. Wifey sets me straight- gotta love her for it! I'll make a recording of it again and just upload the video it self onto ATS. (Do I have to link it to ATS through i.e., youtube?) I'll produce a link to it tomorrow, as it is getting late.

The show is called "Nuclear Nightmare; Japan in crisis" Science channel Sat 4/30 @ 2:00a

edit on (5/1/1111 by loveguy because: "It's no longer a matter of spring fever, I just hope all that lead paint I ate as a kid fends-off all this damn radiation."



posted on May, 1 2011 @ 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by vox2442

Originally posted by Silverlok
hey VOX2442 any data on that I just spent 45 minutes checking every post on this thread from you and can find NO ADDITIVE DATA. let me be clear you are NOT provocative but simply obstructionist and adversarial , kind of anti ats , but perhaps I can help , U2U is designed for those kinds of questions , as his is a quest for more information (what ATS is about) and yours is exactly the opposite,

let me give you an example:

odd are you sure about those numbers I cannot verify them(additive), I understand your upset but let's make sure we have accurate information : where are you looking , can you provide a link ( and in good ats fashion ) do you understand the politics of the organization supporting that link ?

well let us start on match 21
link


where am I looking?

here.

that's the stream that went out this morning, where the OP said he heard that there were only 500 potassium iodide pills in the government's possession.

I asked him to clarify who (or at elast when) it was said. because I can't verify it. And I'd like to.

As to why the claim is suspect:


東日本大震災に伴う福島第1原子力発電所の事故を受け、日医工は「ヨウ化カリウム丸」25万人分(50万丸)を 被災地に無償提供した。同社には現在、80万人分(160万丸)の在庫があり、今後も必要に応じて追加的に無償提 したいとしており、緊急の事態に備え増産体制にも入ったという。原子力安全研究協会のホームページによる 、原子力災害で放出される放射性ヨウ素は、体内に取り込まれると甲状腺に選択的に集積し、放射線の内部被 くによる甲状腺がんなどを発生させる可能性がある。ヨウ化カリウムは、これに対し予防的に服用することで 放射性ヨウ素の甲状腺への集積を防ぐことができるため、甲状腺への放射線被ばくを阻止・低減する効果があ (CBNews、16 日)

source. ATS isn't recognizing some of the characters in preview for some reason, proper text at the site if it doesn't come up right.

As for the rest of your rant: sorry if asking for more information seems obstructionist and adversarial, and apologies if calling people out on fear mongering, or their mistranslations, or spreading unsubstantiated rumour strikes you as "anti-ATS". Next time, take it to U2U. Or feel free to pass it by.


Fear mongering, mistranslating, and spreading unsubstantiated rumours, am I?

Just because you didn't hear it personally, then it musn't be true... correct?

Kaieda Benri (Minister of Economy, Trade and Industry) made that statement. I don't know the specifics, but that's what I heard. Japanese government supposedly has 500 potassium iodide pills currently stockpiled. My guess is the gov. probably already distributed most of their iodide stockpiles to the Fukushima area. Your link refers to privately held iodide stockpiles. Your link has nothing to do with what Kaieda said today. And why the heck would this be in the news when the live televised gov. debate hasn't even finished yet?


I am sick and tired of this kind of crap. You and Mr.Bill enjoy your thread. I'm done here.

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posted on May, 1 2011 @ 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by Silverlok
I assembled that inset picture of a rod bundle from the video DWW posted and it certainly looks like the thing circled in red that someone tried to hide behind the sheet .


Certainly does..but...

who put the sheet there and when?




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