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Originally posted by SFA437
reply to post by Moshpet
I'd add only one thing, or minor correction.
The sounds on the video were not explosive in nature.
I do have a good bit of experience in both blowing things up and looking at the effects and analyzing what got blown u and what is functional. IMO the #3 sequence was as follows:
Cascading structural failures (the three deep booms) releasing hydrogen- possibly corium melting thru RPV in small amounts as well as torus breach from pressure. (speculation- I am not a nuke guy)
TOKYO (Kyodo) -- Prime Minister Naoto Kan is considering setting up a big underground tank in the compound of the radiation-spewing Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to prevent contaminated water from spilling into the sea, a fishery official said Wednesday.
"There is bedrock 46 meters underground. The government has found that no tainted water will seep below (the bedrock) and is considering building a tank there," Ikuhiro Hattori, who heads the National Federation of Fisheries Cooperatives Associations, quoted Kan as saying.
I was always wondering not only published measurements of cesium 137 and iodine-131. Why radioactive material is not these two, in many others there?
Environmental Protection Agency, United States (EPA) has published a number of radioactive material in air (in Japan, the amount of radioactive material per cubic meter of air is not even measured) and, in the U.S. iodine-131 - in addition to cesium-137 , cesium 134, cesium 136, iodine-132, tellurium-129, I found that tellurium has been found 132 (uranium-plutonium strontium also were examined and then a detailed database was found .)
The detection results are presented in the atmosphere of radioactive materials at the point as of April 24, 229, 132 of which tellurium has been detected in 46 locations.
The discovery of the 132 had the most amount of tellurium, and 3 Dutch Harbor, Alaska on May 19 was found in 0.015Bq/m3. By the way, 132 Te half-life of 3.26 days.
Cesium 134 is the same as they were detected from 44 sites, in which the largest numbers of Anaheim, California on March 25 was detected in 0.0096Bq/m3. Half-life of cesium 134 in two years.
Cesium 136 has not been detected in five locations, the maximum number of 3 Nome, Alaska on January 24 was detected in 0.00045Bq/m3. 13 days half-life of cesium-136.
Iodine 132 has not been detected in 32 points, the maximum number of 3 Dutch Harbor, Alaska on May 19 was detected in 0.001Bq/m3. Half-life of iodine-132 is 2.3 hours.
129 for tellurium, Alaska on March 24 0.0045Bq/m3 only once in Nome was detected. 129 Te half-life of 1.16 hours.
For five of these radioactive materials have been detected in the United States, Japan has not been detected or can not be measured, why it is I do not have.
The amount is trace detection in the United States, is the ratio problem. We examined the quantitative ratio of cesium-137 and has been as follows.
Cesium 134: 103% of the amount of cesium-137 found
Cesium 136: 2% of the amount of cesium-137 found
Iodine 132: 84% of the amount of cesium-137 found
129 Te: 13% of the amount of cesium-137 found
Te 129M: 13% of the amount of cesium-137 found
132 Te: 140% of the amount of cesium-137 found
A particular note of the length of half-life of Cesium 134 (half-life of two years) is. In Japan, public information is not whether or not the measured emission of cesium 134. Detection rate can only be applied in the United States therefor. Cesium 134 in the United States because it is roughly the same amount of cesium-137 detected is likely to be flying about the same amount of cesium 134 cesium 137 in Japan. Therefore, total amount of radioactive cesium, at least twice the amount of cesium-137 have been published and should not have to see. Tokyo, for example megabecquerel 7000 cumulative since May 19, 3 / km2 to drop the cesium-137 (as of April 25), but all radioactive cesium is megabecquerel 14000 / km2 or can be estimated and fell.
Only the Japanese government announced that the cesium 137 and iodine-131 has a considerable problem. Information beyond what is hidden, all the cogency of argument or something your safe level is zero.
In addition to the U.S. EPA 140 barium above material, cobalt 60, but also research into the extent of iodine 133, is not detected so far (U.S. is "undetected" double-digit value is so small that, in Japan "Not Found" in the United States and leaves at the level of detection data.) TEPCO government performance, not apologize for something, I think the amount of data to be published in all honesty radioactive material first.
PS: the U.S. was discovered in uranium plutonium strontium. More to less.
An absolutely viral post is circulating Japanese websites right now expanding on my post about plutonium and strontium being detected in the US from the Fukushima nuclear reactor.
The author says new EPA radiation data shows the levels of plutonium detected in California are 43 times higher in California and 11 Times higher in Hawaii that the highest levels detected in over 20 years.
The author additionally expands upon the data first discovered by Lucas Hixton Whitefield and found US EPA radiation data showing plutonium and Uranium in Guam, Tokyo and Ibaraki Japan while the Japanese Government continues to deny such radioactive contamination to protect TEPCO.
Here is the Google translated version of the original article with the Japanese text removed and the tables replaced with screen shots.
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) in the database we examined in detail, the measurements were made in the U.S. West Coast and Hawaii, Guam, from late March to early April, found abnormal levels of strontium-uranium-plutonium It has been found. That backed into the air to scatter the most toxic strontium uranium and plutonium from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant it (that would also be released into the sea of course.) TEPCO press the Japanese government patronage of scholars is the fact that the silence (U.S. government access to a lot of pages for the public to not only information on a small portion of radioactive material), already abroad among experts and the internet is becoming a fact that can not hide.
This was calculated on this blog is the concentration of radioactive material in air filters in the systems found in California, Hawaii, Guam (including Saipan plutonium in Alaska, Washington, also found that it said But here is optional.)
If you wish to check the database is a separate yourself here please. You can download historical data for each state for each nuclide.
No. unit conversion formula and table
1pCi = 1,000,000aCi 1pCi = 1,000,000 aCi
1pCi = 0.037Bq 1pCi = 0.037Bq
1km3 = 1,000,000,000 m3 1km3 = 1,000,000,000 m3
1Bq/km3 ＝ Becquerels per cubic km of 1Bq/km3 = 1 (representing the concentration of radioactive material in air)
Pu = plutonium U = Uranium Sr = strontium CA = California HI = Hawaii GU = Guam
detailed data for each radionuclide is here
Based First since March 11, it is understood that rises dramatically with the concentration of uranium-plutonium, strontium. Plutonium-239 half-life of 2.4 million years give an intense rays, 11 times in California, has become a factor of 43 in Hawaii. The half-life of uranium-238, 44.7 billion years give a strong alpha (substance contained depleted uranium munitions), then eight times in California, has become a factor of 52 in Hawaii.
Were first detected in California on or after March 11 issue of strontium 90 beta radiation half-life of 29 years strong. Guam has not been detected much earlier 3.11 (measured or not), respectively. Historical data to February 2011 from 2000 still remain, so the average only found the remains as a data purposes only, if compared with the average real reflecting all the measurements that the undetected ratio becomes more serious.
Evidence that strontium uranium plutonium released from Fukushima nuclear power plant which is twofold.
First, since the early 1990s, resulting in comparable data, such a large increase in the concentration at one time there were not even have suddenly become the highest concentration in the past 20 years.
Second, when compared to the 3-11-11 level was detected in the atmosphere since, had become highly concentrated in Japan and the closer the distance as follows.
For example, plutonium-239, 8700km west of Japan, the concentration of one Tosureba away in California, southwestern Japan, range from 1.97 times in Hawaii 6200km, 2500km south of Guam is 2.34 times.
This phenomenon may account for the Fukushima nuclear power plant disaster and Ataranai other.
CONCLUSION: The uranium and plutonium can be radioactive strontium most heinous, are dispersed in the atmosphere from nuclear Fukushima.
Uranium and plutonium are flying in Japan.
Plutonium, uranium concentration in the atmosphere in Japan is how I would. More hide vital information that these anti-nuclear public opinion to suppress media scholars have government patronage TEPCO unfortunately only on their own to infer from existing data. Because of the limited information, Please understand that following a very rough calculation.
This article is written in detail, according to a forecast released by the Meteorological Agency airborne radioactive material, around March 31, 2011, predicted dispersal area near Japan at the lowest concentration level of 1 trillion over 100 primary Hukushima had become.
In Guam, but perhaps suspect that flying at lower concentrations than that intentionally “conservative” calculation method (a conservative value when the inversion of the concentration of Japanese if you set a higher dilution Hukuzima vs Guam means that out), and you think it applies to Guam, the concentration of one in 100 trillion, the release of data in Ibaraki 3 26 1 10 billion nuclear power plant near Tokyo is one.
Because the concentration of one trillion, ten thousand times in Guam, respectively, derive the expected rough you a hundred times (Sun Measuring in Guam on April 1 and March 31, the data dilution is intended iodine-131).
To know the exact value, flying over uranium and plutonium and strontium in the U.S., Japan in the air that fly at higher concentrations than at least it would be authentic. The government acknowledged that the level of 7 from the amount of cesium 131 and iodine 137 was released, I found it alongside Chernobyl radioactive material from the type and quality.
Plutonium and uranium are far more impact on the human body is large iodine and cesium, these rays emitted by the radiation dose monitoring can not be measured for fly only short distances. Will be at risk once the fatal body into realizing that a lot of rain around us.
Cancer make one out of every 1000 children in the ministry decided to interim standard is not put so much exposure that allow the calculation of this body exposure to minute no costs. Impact on the human body 20 years after 10 years here .
TOKYO -(Dow Jones)- Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday that one of its female employees at the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant was exposed to radiation exceeding three times the legal limit of 5 millisieverts in a three-month period, Kyodo News reported.
The woman, who is in her 50s, has no health problems, but the government's nuclear safety agency said that two more female workers may also have been exposed to radiation in excess of the limit. The agency called on the utility to investigate the reason and take measures to prevent a recurrence.
Hidehiko Nishiyama, a spokesman for the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, told a press conference the situation was "extremely deplorable," but added that all female employees had left the radiation-leaking plant on March 23.
According to the plant operator and the agency, a total of 19 female Tokyo Electric employees were working at the six-reactor complex following the March 11 earthquake and tsunami hit the plant, and one of them was exposed to a total of 17.55 millisieverts of radiation.
The woman was found to have suffered more internal than external radiation exposure, with the internal exposure reaching 13.6 millisieverts.
Another agency official said that TEPCO needs to explain why the worker suffered so much internal exposure.
TEPCO and the agency said that the woman had been refueling fire trucks and working inside a building on site. She had been wearing a mask, but may have inhaled radioactive material when putting it on or taking it off.
A TEPCO official acknowledged during a press conference that its radiation-dose management should have been more stringent.
Under Japanese law, radiation workers are not permitted to be exposed to more than 100 millisieverts over five years, or more than 50 millisieverts in one year.
For female workers, the limit is 5 millisieverts in a three-month period, considering they may become pregnant. For the general public, the limit is 1 millisievert per year, excluding exposure from medical procedures.
Bahraini authorities have decided to ban entry of imported food items from Japan citing fears of radioactive contamination from the Fukushima nuclear plant reactors in Japan, Bahrain news agency has reported. Imported items that were produced and prepared for shipment before mid-March, when the reactor accident of Fukushima occurred, are excluded from the decision, the industry and commerce ministry said.
KUALA LUMPUR, April 27 (Xinhua) -- Food and food products imported from Japan to Malaysia must obtain certificates to prove that they have, among others, been harvested or produced before March 11, 2011.
Malaysian Health Minister Liow Tiong Lai made the remarks Wednesday in a small town near Kuala Lumpur, where he had lunch at a Japanese restaurant with outgoing Japanese Ambassador to Malaysia Masahiko Horie.
The minister told reporters that with immediate effect, food and food products from the Japanese regions or prefectures of Fukushima, Gunma, Ibaraki, Tochigi, Miyagi, Yamagata, Niigata, Kanagawa, Saitama, Tokyo and Chiba must also be properly labeled.
TOKYO - JAPAN is considering issuing safety certificates for its seafood exports, in a bid to ease foreign fears over radiation contamination, a report said on Wednesday.
Japan is working with its top trade partner China on the certificate in an effort to persuade Beijing to relax rules on Japanese seafood products, the Nikkei said.
Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
In other news
Entire RadNet system still down. FAIL
Radiation levels in Hawaii from Japan’s nuclear crisis continue to fall, government monitoring shows.
Milk tested at a dairy in Hilo on April 4 registered 24 picocuries per liter for cesium-134, 19 picocuries for cesium-137 and 18 picocuries for iodine-131, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
Milk samples tested again on April 13 — the most recent data — showed 11 picocuries for cesium-134, 11 picocuries for cesium-137 and a “non-detect” level for iodine-131.
The EPA has been conducting water and milk testing, “and they are a little delayed” with other results, Eckerd said yesterday. “I’m trying to get updated air monitoring readings from them.”
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s “derived intervention level” — the point at which steps would be taken to safeguard the public — is 33,000 picocuries for the combined cesium isotopes and 4,700 picocuries for iodine-131. At those levels the sale of affected milk could be stopped.
M 4.9, Bonin Islands, Japan region
Wednesday, April 27, 2011 16:03:29 UTC
Thursday, April 28, 2011 02:03:29 AM at epicenter
Depth: 10.00 km (6.21 mi)
Posted on 27 April 2011 | 4:03 pm
Originally posted by predator0187
That's the lines that I am thinking along. That's a pretty big mistake though, regardless of who made it, and should be cleared up ASAP.
Originally posted by Silverlok
and don't worry about the language I shutter to admit but I am starting to recognize some of the terms(
Originally posted by predator0187
Yeah the robots I find funny, if the numbers they are leaking are right (37-49 mSv/h) then people could spend a bit of time in that before they are above the new legal limit of 400 mSv/h. Get people in there on shifts, they had people doing that at Chernobyl, why not here?
Originally posted by Moshpet
Your calling a tomato a to-may-to here. An explosive release of contained materials or vapor etc, is still an explosion. No matter what you want to label it, or how you want to describe it, it is still a violent sudden release of energy,
If you want to call it a tom-may-to, feel free, but the audio -still- and clearly defines three violent releases of force, in the duration of the video.
But I'm calling them explosions, and well from my experience, its the best name for them.
Terminology or causes aside, the resulting 'bangs' are still caused by the violent interaction of force on the atmosphere and enviroment.
Originally posted by MedievalGhost
An earthquake expert on Japanese tv news this morning said they are expecting a magnitude 8+ quake to hit anytime in either Aomori prefecture area in the the north, or Tokyo area in the south.edit on 27-4-2011 by MedievalGhost because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by mrbillshow
reply to post by NoAngel2u
1. A containment vessel explosion alone wouldn't account for highly radiocative debris strewn up to 2 km from the plant.
2. The explosion video shows the vertical plume discharged from the southerly side of the building, not the center.
3. Thermal imaging shows large heat radiations from the south side of the building.
4. Photos of the building shows roof beams/trusses lying in the center where the fell, none on the south side where they were blown away by the explosion.
4. The fuel pool is on the south side of the reactor.
I thought people on this thread figured this out a month ago.
Originally posted by Maluhia
A blueprint believed to be of the crippled No. 1 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, considered to have leaked from Tokyo Electric Power Co., was posted on the Internet, an apparent violation of its regulations on protection of nuclear materials.