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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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and don't forget these guys


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so really what's all the fuss about?




posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Slightly dated but good, informative article.


Copyright 2011 Jiji Press Ltd.

Jiji Press -
April 20, 2011 Wednesday 4:37 PM JST

Work to Remove Highly Radioactive Water Goes On at N-Plant


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Also, it reported that using sandbags containing zeolite, which absorbs radioactive substance, has worked in the sea. The radiation level of the sandbags, dropped near a water outlet Sunday, stood at a maximum 0.65 millisieverts per hour, it said.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
reply to post by vox2442
 


Ya, I know. It was based on 3 million gallons. My guess is it's arbitrary because TEPCO hasn't exactly been forthcoming with levels of radiation in what has gotten out. I originally left the graph out of the post from that site for that very reason. Added it after initial post. Sorry...maybe I should have left it out still. Everything is arbitrary right now. We will see what Greenpeace reports once they get on site. Anyone know the date of their arrival to begin testing water and marine life? We need folks besides TEPCO.GOV testing.


Probably posted before, but this is a good site for raw data:
www.godac.jamstec.go.jp...

I check this one for my area updates, and there's seawater data on there as well: eq.wide.ad.jp...

Neither is TEPCO, but both are government related. Just putting it oput there to counter the claim that there's no data forthcoming.

As far as greenpeace goes: they've been monitoring around Japan since mid March, and in the interviews I've seen with them on TV here they've been saying that there's no glaring difference between their readings and the readings of local officials. By "been saying" I guess I should point out that was near the end of March. Overall, most people seemed to think they were making a positive contribution.

However.

My worry is that they're going to be using this to create a confrontation - to get images to help their international fund raising campaigns. A bit cynical, but there it is.

If they stay outside of the exclusion zone and take samples, I'll accept that they're here out of genuine concern. Radiation spread is the issue, and if they're taking measurements of the spread they'll need to cover a lot of sea.

If they decide to head into the exclusion zone for their samples, you'll know they're just here for a photo op of the JSDSF or Coast Guard trying to escort them out, to create a controversy to increase their donations.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:18 PM
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Human embryos in US likely bioaccumulating radioactive iodine, cesium, and strontium says physician who taught at Harvard Med School

Source & Article
Very sad.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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It looks like some of the MSM is taking a closer look at whats going on in Japan.
Just watched on the Discovery Channel, MegaQuake: Hour that Shook Japan
dsc.discovery.com...

Nothing that we on the ATS forum haven't already seen over the last 44 days, except for some tsunami footage.
But alot more than what has been shown in the MSM. No, ATS wasn't in the credits, but dollars to donuts they used ATS to lead them to the sources.

They have another program coming up on Thurs the 28th dealing only with Fukushima Daiichi.
Nuclear Nightmare: Japan in Crisis
dsc.discovery.com...
The teasers for the program indicate the situation is a lot worse than most people think.

Of course ATS members in this thread excepted, I'm pretty sure we're ahead of the curve on that subject.
We'll see just how much they know...



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
reply to post by Silverlok
 


We have been trying to figure out for 780 pages how to prove that those control rods did not insert. I believe you may have just done that. Well done. Very well done. Thank you. (insert bowing dude here)


Your last few posts have been historic. Thank you so, so much for sharing your thoughts and analysis here.

California's not so happy cows...are also following this thread...closely.




They will, again, be waiting for TEPCO executives...out back.

cow


The odd thing is that if the employees just ran ( as it seems ) it is because they were so poorly qualified that they should never have been doing the job , another bit of complicity for tepco.. sign-on people who think a nuke can have a nuclear explosion , because they are cheaper..and if all our cheap -ass # fails we can blame them

and BTW that looks liek germany

edit on 24-4-2011 by Silverlok because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by okiecowboy
reply to post by zorgon
 


and don't forget these guys


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so really what's all the fuss about?


Hassenpfeffer! Where's that wascally wabbit!

Are we bringing back critters from the movie "Them"?

On topic: No earthquakes in the last hour to report....



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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Press Release from Honeywell...


4/19/2011
Honeywell T-Hawk Aids Fukushima Daiichi Disaster Recovery

Unmanned Micro Air Vehicle Provides Video Feed to Remote Monitors


honeywell.com/News/Pages/Honeywell-T-Hawk-Aids-Fukushima-Daiichi-Disaster-Recovery.aspx


PHOENIX, April 19, 2011 – Honeywell’s (NYSE: HON) T-Hawk Micro Air Vehicle (MAV) is helping emergency workers at Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility get up-close video and photos inside the plant as they work to limit further radiation releases.

Three Honeywell employees, trained to fly the unmanned T-Hawks remotely, have flown five successful missions and captured hours of video and dozens of photos of the nuclear reactor. The four T-Hawks in service at Fukushima Daiichi have been adapted to carry radiation sensors.

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“The T-Hawk reminds us that innovative technologies initially created for defense purposes can find crucial roles in humanitarian and disaster recovery efforts,” Mahoney said.

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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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Greenpeace gets in the area around the 28th of april



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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I watched the program and agree with your take.

I also saw the teaser for the Thursday program which I intend to watch. Funny how they never seem to show the Reactor 3 explosion. To me it is equivalent to the WTC 7 collapse video that was avoided after 9/11. It is a visceral sensation "OMG that Nuclear Reactor exploded they are not telling the truth about the severity of the disaster".




Originally posted by Tworide
It looks like some of the MSM is taking a closer look at whats going on in Japan.
Just watched on the Discovery Channel, MegaQuake: Hour that Shook Japan
dsc.discovery.com...

Nothing that we on the ATS forum haven't already seen over the last 44 days, except for some tsunami footage.
But alot more than what has been shown in the MSM. No, ATS wasn't in the credits, but dollars to donuts they used ATS to lead them to the sources.

They have another program coming up on Thurs the 28th dealing only with Fukushima Daiichi.
Nuclear Nightmare: Japan in Crisis
dsc.discovery.com...
The teasers for the program indicate the situation is a lot worse than most people think.

Of course ATS members in this thread excepted, I'm pretty sure we're ahead of the curve on that subject.
We'll see just how much they know...



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 11:03 PM
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New update from RSOE site. The radioactivity in seawater near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is about to hit the highest-ever level recorded in history. More uncharted territory for this disaster. Who knows what the long term effect to sea life will be.

hisz.rsoe.hu...

Situation Update No. 98
On 25.04.2011 at 03:04 GMT+2

The amount of radioactivity in seawater near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is about to hit the highest-ever level recorded in history. According to the Asahi Shimhun on Sunday, officials measured 1-hundred-86 becquerels per liter of radioactive substances in the sea just 34 kilometers from the crippled power plant on April 15th. This level is about 20-thousand times higher than the permissible annual standard set by the Japanese government. The highest level of contamination in history was 2-hundred becquerels per liter in the Irish Sea in the 1970s when a nuclear fuel reprocessing factory discharged cesium-137. Meanwhile, Tokyo is reportedly considering building an underground wall near the Fukushima power plant to contain the spread of radioactive material through soil and groundwater.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Good night, thanks for all your input



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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Oddly enough, that cow/bull hails from Wisconsin according to the story I borrowed his image from. Small world.
I figured since all cows want to be California happy cows (if you believe the marketing people)...he wouldn't mind visiting our thread. Guess he was just destined to be here.

After three blew...the authorities were quick to say the opposite of what has been found...


The reactor's inner containment vessel holding nuclear rods was intact, Edano said, allaying some fears of the risk to the environment and public. TV footage of the building housing the reactor appeared to show similar damage to Monday's blast, with outer walls shorn off, leaving only a skeletal frame.


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I understand the three injured and seven missing after the explosion at #3 were Japan defense workers - not employees although I would have to dig for that link. The story went on to describe the cluster that happened after the injuries of not knowing where to take the injured and who could treat them. They were turned away and retransported a time or two I believe. Their diagnosis of the situation was that they were woefully unprepared to deal with this level of nuclear disaster. Not being TEPCO employees who should have been trained to deal with this...I can imagine. TEPCO, yes, made a habit of hiring, exposing and firing according to reports, so ya...you would be correct. I have not seen another mention of the 7 missing.

We also have to remember that TEPCO first said the plant had to be abandoned immediately and the Japan government made them stay and attempt to control the meltdowns. Numbers for the fukushima 50 have ranged from 250 to 650 on rotation so who knows how many have been killed, injured or are missing by now. They will probably never be reported. The way they keep them locked up with no form of communication is ...well...can't use those words here. I would imagine the "technical staff and executives" are directing from afar...like way far away from the hot zone. An early complaint from the workers during that first diplomatic visit was they weren't asked what they needed to do the job...just kind of told to save Japan.

Great job tonight.
I'd send you a cake too...but, it was really, really good and is now gone.

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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 11:36 PM
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O.K. Tepco is trying to keep focus off the pools so they are talking about reactors that have been breached for weeks .. two is very interesting , but le'st look at the claims for #1

still have 30% of the rods containment not lost AFTER ALMOST SEVEN WEEKS? ( hey GE ASS-WIPES GIVE UP ON THAT ONE ) ...yahda yahda...burrrrrr..

O.K noise out :

one pops the first day

1) water Boils off in about three hours, melt begins , we actually get some extreme temps at the secondary and torus that are double maximum..not a prob right tepco?

2)9:20 march twelfth, water level goes below top of rods by .6 meters AND NEVER COMES BACK UP except for a system flash-out on ...11:20 march 12, then 40minutes later resume meltdown...(repeat)MELT DOWN

3) the non-mox content of the material allows a more controlled melt , but 1.7 does not equal 70% loss , and the pressure increase shows higher temps , especially with the nitrogen injection : conclusion , one is not melting as super fast as ( mox) 3 and they think they can hide it , because no water in the basement and almost all the zirc gone...criminal scum.

at one they have been balancing it on the head of a pin after "several " "successful" melt downs why not one more , unfortunately they never thought about thermal retention ....it works on the square for surface area VS THE CUBE ( heat transfer INVERSION)

so the nitrogen is a complete farce on three levels , it has extreme expansion ( fake pressure numbers)

It creates ammonia ( coolant )

and

pumping nitrogen into a very hot place under pressure wil cause it to expand faster than gun powder, hence fake pressure ...

assholes



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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That Easter Rabbit is a Flemish Giant and they are always huge like that. No radiation required. Blame the knowledge on 4-H parent training. They win huge at the fair. Pun intended.

The bug...well I saved that image because that is just too appropriate to this mess we are in. The cockroaches are loving the recent turn of events. Probably the two legged cockroach psychopaths/sociopaths whatever they are called now too. Thanks for sharing those pics along with Zorgon. Really helps my cows not feel lonely. We need some levity in this place occasionally. It's hard to lighten up...the fall out is getting heavy.

Nite all...well done. Very well done. Evening shift out.



posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 11:54 PM
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yep I have a great quote for that been waiting on a native to tackle : executive run at first site:

from fallout mod

I'm just swiping it all , watch the cnn report :


Add FukushimaNPP Though there is variously reason to make this It doesn't write because it becomes a political comment. This is not to mock the earthquake has not made. I mean it is not. Please guess the meaning Tenpenny Tower. Explanation was requested from several, I write though I do not want to write so much.

1.When news was seen,recruited it by the nuclear power plant worker hourly wage 200,000 yen(2,378 USD).

2.However, it is impossible to work for one hour because there are a lot of radiations.


3.Money can be gotten only at the time that worked naturally.3333 yen/min(39 usd/min)

4.But When exposed to radiation, The stem cell treatment expense 200,000 yen(2,378 USD) is a portion of medical expense to be paid individually. Information source(JP) www.news-postseven.com... sankei.jp.msn.com... I have only seen this exchange FALLOUT quest of black jokes. So I made this MOD.

Q.What is the signboard on that tower? A.Former material of signboard Public anger growing against TEPCO(CNN) edition.cnn.com.../video/world/2011/04/02/lah.japan.hating.tepco.cnn ime.nu... www.4shared.com...

Q.Why chose Tenpenny Tower? A.The employee of the subcontractor is working at the nuclear plant now. But the employee of TEPCO is looking idly from the headquarters as Tenpenny. The treatment of the subcontractor is crueller than that of "The pit". Two meals a day but Breakfast biscuits.Without bath.3day vigil.The sleeping place is one blanket.(JP) www.news-postseven.com...

Q.Why RAD is a strong set? A.TEPCO has announced that the danger is within 20km. But TEPCO employee ran away to 50km out of the sphere. www.zakzak.co.jp...

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posted on Apr, 24 2011 @ 11:56 PM
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Here's the updated Fukushima Daiichi contamination survey map. Unfortunately the site is not cooperating with me when I try to upload and image it just loops me back to log in, so was only able to provide the link.
Would be lovely if someone else would post the image.


Contamination Survey Map 4/23/11
Source
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posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:07 AM
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For anyone wanting some background material for the aerosolization o the nuclear material, see the below quoted post by Silverlok.

If you follow the first link in the post of mine he quoted, it will bring you to the page that contains the DOE document to which he is reffering that deals with the research already completed and published that deals with this aspect of the problem.


Originally posted by Silverlok

Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
I was wknderig if either Redneck or Silverlok (or anyone else that has some depth of kmowledge regardig nuclear fuel) could take a look at this report and see if it has any bearing on what may have heepnd at reactor 3.

We've established that there was likely 15 psi of overpressure, hanks go to SFA437 for his assessment based on his prior expertise. Along with the analysis provided by JustMike in conjunction with SFA437 that the energy output was roughly equivalent to a MOAB.

I don't think there's much of anything of either the spent fuel or the the portion that shot out of the reactor like a cannon when that thing went off. Our only slightly saving race here is that they haven't had as long with the MOX to generate that much spent fuel.


transit rules please ignore if time dilation has changed the universe

this report is very interesting as it in no way can be doubted that Tepco and the nuke industry KNOW EXACTLY HOW DANGEROUS ALL THE PARTICULATED WASTE AS AEROSOLS are and EXACTLY HOW MUCH IS BEING DEPOSITED ACROSS ( for the most part) THE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE, it is definitely why no radiation reading around four have been released and why no video of #4 popping has turned up anywhere . 3 was bad , but four had more fresh active fuel in both cases most of it was aerosolized, and just like a hot air balloon , hot , so small hot ions tend to grow VERY long legs.
One of the posters here had friends and family going to Hawaii during all this .....according to my first run through that report this seems to have been a very bad decision as one of the important things is that they equate uranium transport with cesium transport
( meaning that if you have cesium you almost certainly have uranium in equal measure , weight obviously not such a factor)

I wish Redneck were right but I believe that the silence of the gilded lambs is far more criminal than large portions of north America can bare. I do not under any circumstance believe 'the worst is over'


Excellen work everyone, especially in light o the dearth of technical information we've been dealing with.

With as accurate as the members here have been on the scant data we've had, imagine what we could do with real information.

Hundreds of pages ago when we were discussing the cracked bedrock and what would have to be done in order to ensure the stoppage of radiation, I indicated that whatever barrier they were contemplating would have to be placed below the lowest crack and behind the furthest inland incursions of the cracks in order to be sure of catching any and all leaking materials. And now we see that the wall they're considering will have the be placed beyond any boundary to the cracks.

Finally they've shown the merest inkling of common sense.

Good night all, keep up the terrific work!

(ps, HUGE welcome back silverlok, you were most certainly missed)



edit on 25-4-2011 by jadedANDcynical because: Clarified which link



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 12:49 AM
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Awesome, thank you! Now about those numbers....



posted on Apr, 25 2011 @ 01:19 AM
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Monday, April 25, 2011
Nuclear Agency: No Highly Radioactive Water Leaking from Crippled Plant


e.nikkei.com/e/fr/tnks/Nni20110425D25JF075.htm


TOKYO (Dow Jones)--Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said Monday there are no data indicating that highly radioactive water is leaking from the quake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex, a sign that efforts to contain the radiation are working.

However, the absence of leakage may indicate that radioactive water is rapidly accumulating inside the plant, raising the urgency to find a way to process and store such water, the byproduct of a spraying operation to keep damaged reactors from overheating.

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