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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
Next time you see the words none detected - know that this also means they didn't test for a radioactive substance at all.


To be more specific, I thought it was strange that there was nothing written about plutonium when the data about reactor 3 was given out at the TEPCO press conference on the 27th, so I asked them if it was true that no plutonium had been detected in reactor 3, and for how long it had not been detected. TEPCO answered: 'Plutonium hasn’t been detected.' To confirm what they were saying I asked if perhaps it wasn't that none had been detected, but that they hadn't actually taken any measurements. They were alarmed, and it turned out that it wasn't even that they hadn't taken any measurements, but that they didn't have the instruments to do so in the first place.


So when they test the fish as ordered... I wonder if they have instruments up to the job...




posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by bitbytebit

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I consider the quake and tsunami one event anyway.

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And here is a huge fallacy they are two distinct and separate events. In this case the tsunami was caused by the earthquake, though that need not always be the case.


Landslides are similar to volcanoes that avalanche into the sea. They occur in the water and often are triggered by earthquakes. There is an instance in 1958 where a tsunami was caused by rockfall in Lituya Bay, Alaska. In this instance, a gigantic boulder was loosed by an earthquake and fell into the bay causing a tsunami that went out to sea. (Tsunami Research Center: USC)


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The earthquake itself was among the largest in recorded history and caused tremendous damage on it's own and then came the tsunami compounding that damage to a large degree. I'd it were only for the earth quake things would undoubtedly be different though from watching the interview Zorgon posted, it seems as though there may still been some trouble to contend with.

The guards who remained at their posts and got washed away by the wave demonstrate the loyalty to the company mindset can override common sense and lead to one's demise.

To properly extend your analogy you would have to have burnt down not only your house, but the entire neighborhood as well.
edit on 16-4-2011 by jadedANDcynical because: Idiotic typos on my part. See, I am as imbicilic as any but I DON'T RUN A NUKE PLANT. Thank god.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by bitbytebit Tepco forcing them and committing murder is not one of them.


There are many heros like the crane operator who felt he needed to return to the plant to help out that was interviewed on NHK (no update on him yet)

But the fact that TEPCO doesn't give them proper data, safety gear or even dosimeters before sending them in... having to sleep in corridors on site and being allowed no contact with the outside nor any real food.. well 'murder' may be the wrong word... however I am at a loss to find a word that is adequate



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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Desperate times call for desperate measures?

13th April

Tepco Wants to Hasten Restart of Kashiwazaki Kariwa Reactor

April 14 (Bloomberg) -- Tokyo Electric Power Co. wants the government to hasten approvals for the restart of a reactor shut by an earthquake in 2007 as Japan grapples with power shortages after last month’s disaster.

Kashiwazaki Kariwa, the world’s biggest power plant, was shut in July 2007 after a quake bigger than anticipated in its design struck Niigata, northwest of Tokyo, triggering a fire and radiation leaks.

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Hasten approvals? I hope that doesn't including cutting corners and ignoring safety protocol Tepco.

16th April

Smoke at another Japan nuclear plant

TOKYO — Smoke briefly rose Saturday from a control panel at a Japanese nuclear power plant operated by the same company battling to stop radiation seeping from a quake-stricken facility, a report said.

There were no injuries but the cause of the smoke at the plant in coastal Niigata prefecture was not clear, Kyodo news said, citing Tokyo Electric Power Co. (TEPCO).

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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New one...am only reporting the higher magnitude quakes.


M 5.5, off the east coast of Honshu, Japan
36.885°N 143.934°E

Saturday, April 16, 2011 20:36:49 UTC
Sunday, April 17, 2011 06:36:49 AM at epicenter

Depth: 33.40 km (20.75 mi)
Posted on 16 April 2011 | 8:36 pm





posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Originally posted by DarylHamblett
people, japan is doomed...


transport.nilu.no...


Those are levels of Xe 133


131mXe, 133Xe, 133mXe, and 135Xe are some of the fission products of both 235U and 239Pu, and therefore used as indicators of nuclear explosions.

Relatively high concentrations of radioactive xenon isotopes are also found emanating from nuclear reactors due to the release of this fission gas from cracked fuel rods or fissioning of uranium in cooling water.


en.wikipedia.org...

Half-life 5.243 days
Decay products Cesium 133
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:12 PM
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www3.nhk.or.jp...

Update live now



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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Originally posted by notsofunnyguy
You mean you don't disguise yours as a water elemental?
Or some kind of foam-breathing dragon?


Nah we use a chest that contains any mundane fire tools etc.


NHK is now doing a 7 day analysis and have just said that the raising to level 7 caught people in Japan by surprise and said that the government and TEPCO have been slow to respond and have been downplaying the incident all along

The 'voluntary evacuation' has confused people and they don't know what to do...

Professor interviewed says that MSM media around the world needs to hear from experts on the situation, but in order for those experts to evaluate properly the Japanese government has to be more forth coming with info and do so quickly

Seems there may be hope after all

www3.nhk.or.jp...

Hopefully this will be in print shortly



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 04:35 PM
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Recently we have seen a lack of data and hard numbers then on NHK I saw Dr Gale which reminded me of this important post.


Originally posted by OneisOne
While trying to get caught up on everything, I came across these tweets from Martyn Williams, a Voice of America reporter, regarding a press conference given by Robert Peter Gale from London's Imperial College at the The Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan. Some of the statements made really bothered me. I have no doubt that the general population does not understand radiation, however I did not think that should be a reason to kill the information flow.

Here are some of the tweets. Martyn Williams Twitter feed

@martyn_williams : What Japan is lacking most is an understanding of radiation by the general public - Gale at FCCJ

(I think what Japan is lacking most is a way to get this crisis under control!!)
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@martyn_williams : Gale was initially speaking about the situation here, but expands to say many gov'ts lack ability to explain radiation to public

(well we are just the 'common' people....)
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@martyn_williams : Public have a problem with too much raw information, don't know what it means so assume worst-case scenario - Gale

(that darn raw information..... Governments should have time to candy coat it first!)
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I went searching for a transcript of the press conference and could not find one. I did find a LA Times article referencing it. You can read that article here.

The quote from that article that struck me was

"The question is, what is a reasonable interval to give people information?" said Dr. Robert Peter Gale, an American physician and expert on radiation who consulted on the 1986 nuclear disaster in Chernobyl and is now advising Japan's government. "Instead of just releasing each data point you get, sometimes it's better to base things on an average of readings over a period of time."

Yes because governments always tell the truth....


About Dr. Robert Peter Gale from The Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan's website.

Dr. Robert Peter Gale, Update on His Trip To Fukushima Two weeks after a magnitude 9.0 earthquake triggered a huge tsunami that severely damaged a Japanese nuclear power plant, the situation is still not under control. And fears of radiation exposure and food and water safety are now coming to the forefront.

Dr. Robert Peter Gale, a specialist of medical relief efforts for the Chernobyl and Tokaimura nuclear accidents, who spoke at the FCCJ upon his recent arrival to Japan, has kindly agreed to come to the Club again following a research trip to the Fukushima area to share his observations and analysis of the situation. One of the world's top specialists on cancer immunology and radiation, Dr. Gale was asked by the government of the previous Soviet Union to coordinate medical relief efforts for victims of the Chernobyl accident. In 1999 he was asked by the government of Japan to help treat victims of the nuclear criticality accident in Tokaimura NPP.

Dr. Gale was born in New York City in 1945. In 1976 he received a Ph.D. in microbiology and immunology from UCLA following doctoral work focusing on cancer immunology (with John Fahey). From 1973-1993, h e was on the faculty of the UCLA School of Medicine in the Department of Medicine, Division of Hematology & Oncology where he focused on the molecular biology, immunology and the treatment of leukemia. He also developed the bone marrow transplant program supported by the NIH. At UCLA, he was active in the Department of Psychology, where he and his colleagues studied interactions between stress, immunity and cancer.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone
New one...am only reporting the higher magnitude quakes.






posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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A little more on the Kashiwazaki-Kariwa plant here:


In an effort to pacify its critics, TEPCO held a simulated earthquake drill in January at Kashiwazaki-Kariwa, the first time it had done so at any of its plants. But while TEPCO said the plant passed the test, which was based on a 7.0 tremor, it did little to mollify local residents.

“The information comes only from TEPCO. They never allowed a third party to conduct any tests, so we don’t know what to believe. … We feel that the reason they didn’t test for a 7.5 or 8.0 magnitude quake is because the plant couldn’t stand it,” said Chie Takakiwo, a 65-year-old retired high-school teacher. ”

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Considering Japans geology, was it wise to build nuclear plants that could not withstand +7 mag earthquakes?


Japanese put their faith in a system that has consistently failed to predict the risk of major earthquakes, says scientist

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I would say that the Japanese used lies and propaganda to further a business plan. I don't believe for a minute that they failed to notice the records of these recent quakes:



1.16.1995 City: Kobe Deaths: 5,502 Mag: 6.9 Tsunami/Fires: Yes

6.28.1948 City: Fukui Deaths: 3,769 Mag: 7.3 Tsunami/Fires: Yes

12.20.1946 City: Nankaido Deaths: 1,362 Mag: 8.1 Tsunami/Fires: Yes

1.12.1945 City: Mikawa Deaths: 1,961 Mag: 7.1 Tsunami/Fires: No

12.7.1944 City: Tonankai Deaths: 998 Mag: 8.1 Tsunami/Fires: Yes

9.10.1943 City: Tottori Deaths: 1,190 Mag: 7.4 Tsunami/Fires: No

3.2.1933 City: Sanriku Deaths: 3,000 Mag: 8.4 Tsunami/Fires: Yes

3.7.1927 City: Tango Deaths: 3,020 Mag: 7.6 Tsunami/Fires: Yes

9.1.1923 City: Kanto Deaths: 142,800 Mag: 7.9 Tsunami/Fires: Yes

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Earthquake Map

Wikipedia's List of Japanese Quakes

On a seperate note: for those of you that have been doing a great job of anylsying photos, Sky News has some interesting new ones HERE
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by AlaskanDad
regarding a press conference given by Robert Peter Gale from London's Imperial College at the The Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan. Some of the statements made really bothered me. I have no doubt that the general population does not understand radiation, however I did not think that should be a reason to kill the information flow.


I agree... just heard him interviewed on NHK. He scares me
Last thing they need in Japan right now is more hiding of the facts. Its not too much data that is the problem, it is conflicting data that confuses everyone, including local officials



In the news review... here is a classic understatement



And when Kan upped the limit that surprised locals...











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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by AlaskanDad
regarding a press conference given by Robert Peter Gale from London's Imperial College at the The Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan. Some of the statements made really bothered me. I have no doubt that the general population does not understand radiation, however I did not think that should be a reason to kill the information flow.


I agree... just heard him interviewed on NHK. He scares me
Last thing they need in Japan right now is more hiding of the facts. Its not too much data that is the problem, it is conflicting data that confuses everyone, including local officials





The guy on the screen looks like Alfred E. Neuman from MAD Magazine.


"What, me worry?"
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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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How True


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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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Gotta love this tip...(from the Bloomberg article)


“Various types of radiation require different kinds of equipment,” said Katayama. “It’s safe to rely on government data” because the findings are closely watched by the international community, he said.



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:55 PM
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Originally posted by Leo Strauss
Geiger Counters Unlikely to Detect Radiation in Food, Water


And yet... they end the article with instructions how to use them



posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Arrgghhh.It's obvious as to whom is in control.

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posted on Apr, 16 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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New Video From Fukushima Shows Containment Vessel Dome Amid Debris

This article contains a video that claims to show intact containment dome for reactor 4. Footage taken by unmanned micro helicopter on Friday.

blogs.forbes.com...



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