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posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 06:14 AM
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Japan Raises Severity Level for Fukushima

I don't know why no one else has noticed this but this report of 370,000 tera Bq release is just a wild ass guess ( a WAG).

It probably runs up against their maximum accident estimate just like their meters somehow won't read over 1000 mSv.

I say this because 370,000 tera Bq is EXACTLY equal to 10 million Curies. It sounds like a boundary condition in the software to me.

Just an FYI in case you were lulled into thinking that these numbers were actually accurate.
edit on 13-4-2011 by SDoradus because: spelling


PS: Why would you talk in Bq's all the time and then suddenly switch to measurements based in curies, unless you were just trying to obfuscate the numbers. CLEARLY this number isn't any more accurate for having been delayed for a month.
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posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 06:25 AM
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It probably runs up against their maximum accident estimate just like their meters somehow won't read over 1000 mSv.

Or you know, they are not giving them the proper equipment so they don't know the real amount of radiation, so it doesn't get leaked in the press on really how bad it is.

Hell they had the technology back in 86 to know what the real radiation levels in Chernobyl were and they were much higher than 1000 mSv... and they are trying to tell us today's technology is worse? Riiiiiiiiiiight.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 06:34 AM
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Good Morning Fellow overworked Collective Brian Cells.

Scooby snacks to start the day. PM Kan/TEPCO getting gnawed on by other skeptical nations.


Foreign media organizations were quick to report on Japan's decision of April 12 to raise the crisis level at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant to match the level of the 1986 Chernobyl disaster



The online edition of the New York Times published the comment that the raising of the crisis level has presented new doubts about whether the data is still being underestimated.

The South Korean daily Hankyoreh said doubts had arisen over whether Japan had initially announced a low crisis level while knowing that its seriousness was surpassed only by the Chernobyl disaster.



Even in Taiwan, where some 13 billion yen's worth of donations for quake and tsunami victims have been collected -- a remarkably large amount for a country with a population of only about 23 million -- there have been misgivings. In an editorial on April 12, a local business newspaper stressed the need to unite and put pressure on Japan to share information on the crisis with neighboring countries and territories



Specialists and foreign officials in Vienna, where the headquarters of the International Atomic Energy Agency are located, said Japan's raising of the crisis level seemed strange as all they have heard is that the accident is heading toward a "stable" level.

mdn.mainichi.jp...

Des



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 06:47 AM
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Originally posted by Wertwog
reply to post by maria81
 


You aren't listening,


oh, ok, I take the blame. Blame me if it makes you feel better. Psychologically a quite normal reaction, born out of helplessness. But perhaps you could still stick to the facts and discuss them?
I will dissect your opinions now:


Originally posted by Wertwog
but more importantly, why do you want to move the corium somewhere else, even if you could?


of course, to reach subcriticality and store the material in safe containers, which give of no contamination to the environment. why else? The alternative is feed and bleed into the ocean, (as for now they propose at least 3 to 5 years of it), and simply kill everything therein. And if the oceans are dead, the continents will die, too.
The people in the area contaminated from Chernobyl could be relocated, but where will you relocate if the air and the water table is heavily poisoned, worldwide?


Originally posted by Wertwog
We're not trying to shut down your ideas because we're afraid, it's because your ideas just aren't viable.


I understand that emotion runs high in everyone.
But let us please not kill each other over discussing facts.
First rule: stay by yourself. Please state: "I am not afraid", not "we are not afraid".
It is the style of discussion and polite argument.
The reason you give is no reason. My ideas are not viable? why? an argument is only as strong as the reason behind it. No reason behind it is no argument.


Originally posted by Wertwog
You have a demonstrated lack of understanding of how radioactive this stuff is, what it does to equipment, and how hot it is.


where and how? Arguments, please, no empty phrases.


Originally posted by Wertwog
You CAN'T just "mould" it or put it into something else.


I'd like some specific arguments what exactly is impossible in the process I have proposed.
If you are unable to provide them, stop ranting.


Originally posted by Wertwog
It will destroy anything we have on earth that will try to contain it and it is deadly to life.


The angst reigns in your statements. If it would literally destroy anything we have on earth Chernobyl would already have destroyed the earth. My suggestion to you: become sober and start arguments.


Originally posted by Wertwog
It will destroy robots.


My idea needs no robots.


Originally posted by Wertwog
It is in the earth and oozing into cracks and fissures in the rock.


Don't become hysterical. Corium has a high specific weight and stays together. If it would be in the cracks and fissures in the rock, it would not be fluid anymore, it would become solid and become stable.


Originally posted by Wertwog
There is tons of it.


and what does this suggest?


Originally posted by Wertwog
Listen. All of us here want to solve this, but with realistic ideas based on scientific fact and an understanding of the type of material we're dealing with.


I agree. So please start argumenting and stop being hysterical.


Originally posted by Wertwog
Wishful thinking isn't going to solve anything.


What exactly is wishful thinking in the idea I presented?

And what is hysterical denial of new ideas going to solve?
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posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 06:50 AM
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The next time some energy company wants to build a nuclear plant and says they are responsible and everything will be safe and taken care of - remember these people. The lives they led are over. Their way of life is over. Not from an act of God, but from gross errors in judgment made by TEPCO. From the get-go TEPCO refused outside help and now are refusing to help those they hurt. Any and all TEPCO assets should be seized by the people and used to help evacuate those still in danger and right, as much as possible, the wrongs perpetrated against these people.

If you and I had done this to our neighbors, I wonder what our fate would be?

Evacuees slam Japan nuclear plant operator




TOKYO – Angry residents forced from their homes near Japan's tsunami-stricken nuclear power plant gathered in protest at the Tokyo headquarters of the plant's operator Wednesday, demanding compensation as the company's president pledged to do more to help those affected by the crisis.

"I can't work and that means I have no money," said Shigeaki Konno, 73, an auto repair mechanic, who lived seven miles (11 kilometers) from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant before he was evacuated along with tens of thousands of others due to radiation fears. "The talk about compensation is not concrete. We need it quickly."

The protest by about 20 small business owners from communities near the plant reflects growing public frustration with Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s handling of the nuclear crisis that erupted when a tsunami triggered by a magnitude 9.0 earthquake on March 11 wrecked its cooling systems and backup generators.

TEPCO's president, Masataka Shimizu, and other company executives bowed in apology, once again, on Wednesday, after Shimizu pledged to do more to help compensate residents unable to return home or work due to the accident.

Cash payments are being "readied as soon as possible," Shimizu said.

He said the company "will do our utmost" to get the plant's reactors under control and curb radiation leaks that prompted the government to revise its rating of the incident to the worst possible, on a par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

TEPCO manager Kensuke Takeuchi told Konno and the other protesters the company was not yet prepared to give any money, but he promised to convey their demands to higher level management.

"You are eating a warm meal every day," said Konno, complaining that the two pieces of bread provided daily at the evacuation center where he is staying were not fit to be fed to dogs.

"I am not asking for anything more than I am entitled to. I just want my due," said Ichijiro Ishikawa, 69, a construction worker who lived eight miles (13 kilometers) from the plant.


Source

Protesters should darken TEPCO's doors for as long as radiation from this negligent disaster darkens our environment. TEPCO had best crack open that check book NOW. People have nothing left and are expected to fend for themselves. With what? How are they to do that when this company has stolen their future? What they are doing to these people is criminal.
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posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 06:54 AM
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It appears TEPCO president Masataka Shimizu, is back from his little vacation. He's back to the dog and pony show, for photo ops, but not questions.



TEPCO president Masataka Shimizu said the firm was still preparing a blueprint to end the crisis, now rated on a par with the world's worst nuclear accident, the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

"As instructed by Prime Minister Kan we are working out the specific details of how to handle the situation so they can be disclosed as soon as possible," a relaxed-looking Shimizu told a news conference in Tokyo.

Shimizu has been largely absent from the recovery operation, spending time in hospital and only visiting the area on Monday. He refused to comment on public calls for his resignation, and again apologised to the Japanese people for the crisis.



The Yomiuri newspaper reported on Wednesday that the government may cap TEPCO's liability to as little as $24 billion for damages. Bank of America-Merrill Lynch has estimated compensation claims of more than $130 billio



SEAWATER RADIATION SPIKE

Radiation readings in seawater near the crippled plant spiked last week, Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency NISA.L said on Wednesday.

Seawater samples collected on Monday from around 15 km (9 miles) off the coast of Minamisoma city showed radiation in the water rose to 23 times the legal limit from 9.3 times on April 7, said Hidehiko Nishiyama, a NISA deputy director-general.

www.reuters.com...

I hereby dubs all Government/TEPCO mouth pieces as Foolium


Des



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 07:01 AM
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Here is some metainformation:

You may naively take information at face value.

if contradictory evidence appears, take information at faith value.

if more contradictory evidence appears, take information at farce value.

if more contradictory evidence appears, take information at feces value.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 07:05 AM
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Let us not forget GE who sold the plant design to Japan. They are responsible too! GE brings death to good things in life.


Originally posted by DancedWithWolves
The next time some energy company wants to build a nuclear plant and says they are responsible and everything will be safe and taken care of - remember these people. The lives they led are over. Their way of life is over. Not from an act of God, but from gross errors in judgment made by TEPCO. From the get-go TEPCO refused outside help and now are refusing to help those they hurt. Any and all TEPCO assets should be seized by the people and used to help evacuate those still in danger and right, as much as possible, the wrongs perpetrated against these people.

If you and I had done this to our neighbors, I wonder what our fate would be?

Evacuees slam Japan nuclear plant operator




TOKYO – Angry residents forced from their homes near Japan's tsunami-stricken nuclear power plant gathered in protest at the Tokyo headquarters of the plant's operator Wednesday, demanding compensation as the company's president pledged to do more to help those affected by the crisis.

"I can't work and that means I have no money," said Shigeaki Konno, 73, an auto repair mechanic, who lived seven miles (11 kilometers) from the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant before he was evacuated along with tens of thousands of others due to radiation fears. "The talk about compensation is not concrete. We need it quickly."

The protest by about 20 small business owners from communities near the plant reflects growing public frustration with Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s handling of the nuclear crisis that erupted when a tsunami triggered by a magnitude 9.0 earthquake on March 11 wrecked its cooling systems and backup generators.

TEPCO's president, Masataka Shimizu, and other company executives bowed in apology, once again, on Wednesday, after Shimizu pledged to do more to help compensate residents unable to return home or work due to the accident.

Cash payments are being "readied as soon as possible," Shimizu said.

He said the company "will do our utmost" to get the plant's reactors under control and curb radiation leaks that prompted the government to revise its rating of the incident to the worst possible, on a par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

TEPCO manager Kensuke Takeuchi told Konno and the other protesters the company was not yet prepared to give any money, but he promised to convey their demands to higher level management.

"You are eating a warm meal every day," said Konno, complaining that the two pieces of bread provided daily at the evacuation center where he is staying were not fit to be fed to dogs.

"I am not asking for anything more than I am entitled to. I just want my due," said Ichijiro Ishikawa, 69, a construction worker who lived eight miles (13 kilometers) from the plant.


Source

Protesters should darken TEPCO's doors for as long as radiation from this negligent disaster darkens our environment. TEPCO had best crack open that check book NOW. People have nothing left and are expected to fend for themselves. With what? How are they to do that when this company has stolen their future? What they are doing to these people is criminal.
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posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 07:09 AM
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Maria, just to set the record straight,. I believe in fairies, little people, and magic. But, I in no means, believe any of those elements are going to come to our rescue.

I honor your discourse, and your right to express it. But, it really isn't based on sound laws of physics. You have the invigorating energy of a cheer leader, it gets others worked up, that's a good thing. But understanding the nuances of the game, are very different.

Merry Meet, and Bright Blessings..

Des

edit on 03/28/2011 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by maria81

Originally posted by Kailassa
Haven't you heard the expression, "Hire teenagers while they still know everything."

why are you leaving the level of factual discussion?
what intention is behind this remark other than putting new ideas down?

Sorry if I offended you with the teenager remark. However your posts do indicate a naive, teenagerish enthusiasm.



Originally posted by KailassaThe "bedrock" under the corium is shattered sandstone, below the water-level and infiltrated with seawater. You would not be able to make a chamber under it you could drill up from. You would end up with a thick, radioactive slurry of sand, water and salt.

I see you have no knowledge in mining. We have the technology to do it. Look at the en.wikipedia.org... the project encountered the same conditions, wet slurry, always giving in more.

The Wiki page about it, (which your link does not go to,) mentions nothing about this.


The Gotthard Base Tunnel

The undertaking has not been without problems. Early on in the drilling, for example, on March 31, 1996, drilling experts, assistants and a geologist were carrying out geologic tests when they suddenly struck a layer known as the Piora Mulde. Suddenly, a huge quantity of water and sand shot out of the drill shaft with unimaginable force.

The Piora Mulde is a narrow, vertical band in the heart of the Alps made up of finely ground Dolomite -- a white, often crystalline mineral, sediment which settled on the bottom of a sea 230 million years ago. Mixed with water, the substance becomes unpredictable -- and presented a difficult challenge for the tunnel engineers to overcome. On that day in March over 10 years ago, thousands of cubic meters of the stuff flooded into the drill shaft. It is a miracle that none of the workers present were injured.
...
Indeed, in the end the Piora Mulde zone proved unproblematic. The real tunnel was drilled a few hundred meters below where the test tunnel had been flooded -- through a stable area of marble. "The marble was the best material that workers encountered in drilling the Gotthard Base Tunnel," says Anagnostou. "They didn't take risks. They did their research first."




www.zlg.ethz.ch...

You can see the slushy Piora zone, coloured yellow, in the above diagram. Despite it being such a small part of the tunnel, that area was considered unsafe and avoided during the construction of the actual train tunnel through that area.


This project is a good example to show the impossibility of drilling through cracked/cracking sandstone and making a chamber in it to work from below the level of the corium at Fukushima Dai-ichi. One tiny sliver encountered during the drilling of an exploratory tunnel was similar to the sandstone at Fukushima, but even that was not being shaken by constant earthquakes, and neither was in below the water table. The engineers could only cope with this because the tunnel on either side was through solid rock. They had to just let the mess drain, then after it had drained into the solid rock tunnel scoop it out until the tunnel was cleaned up, and then construct a huge metal tube to connect the two sections of rock tunnel. This could never have been done if the whole area the tunnel was being excavated through was crumbling, wet sandstone.

Finally, it was decided to completely avoid the Piora Mulde in the construction of the Gotthard Base Tunnel, and drill it lower, through rock which was mostly solid marble.



And it is even possible to do that completely without humans getting in contact with corium.
Set up a chamber below the corium, drill enough vertical holes of the typical diameter triple diameter of a fuel rod or a bit more downward. Fill those holes with sand and boron and a simple glue. Drill into the sand-filled holes a hole that will contain the molten corium. Have enough holes prepared so that the entire mass of corium will be able to flow into the holes.

Then drill another bigger hole upward beneath the corium, but do not break the surface. Just leave and wait for the corium and gravity to do the rest of the job.

First fill a bucket with water and sand, and show me how you drill holes in it. That will be just as easy as making a chamber in cracked sandstone which is underneath the water table and drilling up from it.

Even if you could do that, corium is not a homogeneous liquid which will flow to order.



After all, if we don't try, we have lost from the beginning.

There's no putting the milk back into the cow.

Not everything can be repaired or undone.
That's not to say we shouldn't work to lessen the impact of this disaster, but you have to take into account what can work, and what is impossible.



The ideas that are here proposed are not ready-and-done-with, they are just a beginning.
Come on, just don't give up to resignation and fear.
Use your brains not to defend why it cannot be done but to refine the ideas as how it can be done.

Accepting that some approaches are not feasible is not resignation. Resignation is not fear.




Originally posted by Kailassa
Sunken corium is not all runny like a molten, uniform metal. It is non-uniform, as in lumpy, and forms a crust around it, and this crust is incredibly tough. Despite being hard and tough it is still hot, in both senses of the word. It's unlikely there is any drill which could drill through it.

that is true if you get to it from the surface, but not from the hot, liquid bottom. There is just rock/sandstone/earth, which will be automatically eaten away from the corium.

Hot, but not liquid. Escaped corium is encased in a crust, which is hot enough to eat through concrete or rock if there is sufficient mass to keep up the reactions. Once the corium is doing this, even if you could move it elsewhere, why would you do this rather than let it bury itself? With the water table so close to the surface in that area, there is not the option of removing corium before it sinks that low. The only option is to apply materials which will help in its cooling and neutron absorbers to slow the reactions.




Originally posted by Kailassa
There may be thing that can be done on site to lessen the dangers from the corium, but any effort to remove the corium after it has melted into the rock beneath the reactors will end in failure.

ok, have it your way, if you know it all better, and resignate and pull a blanket over your head and hope radiation will not reach you. Ironically speaking, surely you have already tackled thousands of molten cores and tried every possibility anyone can think of (godlike knowledge granted, of course) and speak from experience of many years.

I just like to live on this earth and will do my utmost to preserve it as good as can be.

Tantrum time? Insults and sarcasm are not a mature response to people who have pointed out flaws in your ideas.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 07:17 AM
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Maria81

Welcome to ATS. I would like to ask you to please see ATS as a forum different than other forums on the internet. When you join a forum it is helpful for you to understand the respect with which we converse with one another; especially in a thread such as this that is dealing with what should be, in all rights, a hysterical situation. We are not like everywhere else. We welcome all opinions, but do not appreciate or tolerate personal attacks on our members. This disaster is beyond all proportion and isn't over yet. People are rightfully upset and angry. Solving one problem at Fukushima leaves about a 100 more still on the table.

It appears you have expertise and ideas to add to the conversation. We do welcome ideas and insight. Please consider taking a step back from the digital ego easily developed by all of us and connecting with people on this thread as human beings who have contributed to this thread long before your arrival. It is easy when you are not looking at someone face to face to react quickly and say things you would never say to someone person to person. At ATS we attempt to keep our digital egos in check.

We look forward to your involvement, but please refrain from telling other people to sober up. We have managed to get this far in our discussions (a lot farther than TEPCO I might add) without insulting each other. When it does happen it is quickly checked and or that poster is ignored. It sounds like you have ideas that you want to share and I don't want that to happen to you. Please join us in the spirit with which this forum operates and share your ideas with tolerance when you are questioned or challenged. The best responses are those that explain your ideas further - not berate the questioner. Please. Seriously, welcome to ATS, just know that you are someplace different than you will find in the vast discussion forums out there.

If anyone out there is afraid, there is every right to be so. If we weren't afraid, we should question our connection to reality. It is possible to fear for others and those directly in immediate harms way. If you will read back in this vast thread I think you will discover a different kind of dialogue than you will find elsewhere - with a slip or two we are all guilty of now and then. Please have patience with all our people. We aren't posters. We are people. Thanks and welcome.

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posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by IDBIT

Here is some positive news: -

"Japan says nuclear crisis stabilizing, time to rebuild"


www.reuters.com...


And nearby flying monkeys were observed...........


I am known in the real world for my undersdtanding / ability to see a situation from all sides / long fuse but we all have our limits and I've finally reached mine;

The fact that these TEPCO joker's continue day ... after day ... after radiated day ... to make such mind-numbingly, absurd comments like this ... and in doing so only serve to treat their own countrymen and the rest of the world like brain-dead idiots is the ultimate insult ... and if they are genuinely deluded enough to truly believe they are still 'saving face' then why the he!! has the Japanese Government not stepped-in ... strung the TEPCO bosses up by their b@!!@cks from the top of what's left of reactor #3 for their crimes against humanity ... and accepted the help offered weeks ago from a team of international experts.

I was going to say 'what are the government thinking' ... but clearly they are not thinking !!!

The true act of 'a proud people' is being big enough to accept responsibility and admit that you have basically destroyed your own island ... the reprecussions of which are global ... sadly TEPCO bosses do not qualify as 'a proud people' ... if I were to write what I honestly thought they did qualify as I would be breaking ATS T&C's and very likely be banned ... and I like ATS too much to risk that but I'm sure you all know where I'm coming from.

I can't even begin to imagine how devastated I would personally feel if I had to accept the burden of just a milli-portion (or should that be micro-portion) of what they have done to such a proud and ancient culture that has until now survived millennia of earthquakes / tsunami / volcanic eruption because they had respect for the strength of nature and worked with (and alongside) it to the best of their ability.

Now after all that time we find ourselves still in the early days of the 21st century only to discover that the greed / manipulation / and lies of the few, have destroyed the many ... because they thought they were stronger than nature ...


The truth is we never have been ... and no matter how advanced (I purposely avoided the word civilized) we become we never will be (ever) ... funny how the ancients knew this yet 'we' have either forgotten ... or choose to ignore ... often to our detriment


Nuclear Power Stations on a tectonic Fault line in a country known for it's earthquake activity and tsunamis ... really !!!


And y'know what the most frustrating thing is ?

In spite of all this we still won't listen or learn ... but our beautiful blue planet just became a little more tarnished


Rant over (sorry just needed to get it off my chest) Woody



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 07:42 AM
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Hi Everyone.. and thankyou DancedwithWolves, Zorgon, Redneck, etc for such an intelligent and well mannered discussion. I have learnt so much.. I am no physicist and have been following this thread since March 11.
About the strawberries and tomatoes that Edano was eating. would the fact that at this time of year in Northern Japan mean they were grown in greenhouses/ under cloches and therefore they can claim they are "not" contaminated? In other words, the amount of fallout in the air in those protected environments would be lower?
Might explain why Edano wasn't munching on spinach, presumably grown in the open even in colder weather.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
There were private drone pics released previously that had much better quality, I think last week. They were posted here.

I guess the gamma radiation must have increased drastically, although we don't know the distance from the plant when they took either set of photos, that would have an effect on picture quality due to radiation.

It is surprising to me how much #3 has deteriorated, seems to be crumbling in on itself.


Again, like a previous youtube I posted, excess radiation, or extreme particals dont make low res.

What they do is add tonnes of random dots, they trigger the CCDs to full white or red or blue, so you get a snow like video.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 08:11 AM
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TEPCO manager Kensuke Takeuchi told Konno and the other protesters the company was not yet prepared to give any money, but he promised to convey their demands to higher level management.


Excuse me..? NOT PREPARED?? It seems they are not really prepared for anything at all. I would love to know who this "higher management" is. If Takeuchi really gave half a crap about the people whose lives are in danger due to his nuclear reactors he would personally hand people checks with their 2 bread pieces and a ticket to get outta dodge. But no...

They have had an entire month and if they have nothing better than the "We will see what we can do" attitude they are giving now, one has to wonder if they are not going to start telling the people that they have nothing to give due to costs of thus and so...
It just makes me sick and I feel sad because everyone in the world at this point has pretty much been dealt a hand of fecal matter and all we get is wishy-washy statements while "higher management" takes care of business. All we can do is sit here and guess and the people needing and deserving that compensation get to wait and hope.




posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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Originally posted by Destinyone
Here is one photo of bundled spent fuel rods. I'll find others...

I'm going to hazard a long shot guess here. Could those long pipe structures be, lead pipes manufactured to put a massive amount of spent fuel rod containers in, for moving by ship?




Guys, just download the MANUAL to the reactor from cryptome, it has pics, diagrams everything, safetey measures , everything, except how to buy the fuel.

cryptome.org...

detailed to hell, but good.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by burntheships

Originally posted by Wertwog




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Look like a fit? It does to me...
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Dude, the image of those "PIPES" are like 1-2m in diameter, compared to that truck window.

The fuel rods, are 1cm wide, in a array of 20x20 small pipes.

You could not possibly see this in any of their videos or photos, and if you could , it would look like normal pipe from a distance. It probably is quite fragile too so I bet its shattered to pieces , and not even visible.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Speaking of rods...This is one memo, I'd like to get my eyes on...


Workers also refocused their attention on spent fuel rods stored in containment pools beside the reactors that threaten to spew radiation into the air unless they are constantly covered and cooled with circulating water.

The embattled plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Company (TEPCO) hopes to eventually remove and safely encase the thousands of spent fuel rods.

As a preliminary step, it took a water sample from the pool at reactor four, using a container attached to the 62-metre arm of a concrete boom pump.

"This is to learn more about the condition of the spent fuel pool," said a TEPCO spokesman. "They will have to put the spent fuel rods into some sort of container eventually.

"Removing them from the plant's pools is one of the ultimate objectives."

The Asahi Shimbun daily, citing internal TEPCO documents, reported on a plan to lower steel caskets into the pools to seal and take away the fuel rods, perhaps using ladders because original cranes may be damaged.

www.bangkokpost.com...

Ladders


Des
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posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Aponi
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The object in the picture (if it is one long object) appears much longer than those dry cask units and thinner in relation to length. However, if it is 2 separate objects the size might be closer to the pictures you posted. I can't see how it would be possible to put any fuel rods from that plant in dry cask storage though. I mean, there's been partial meltdowns (at least) and so many issues it hardly seems safe, much less feasible. Could it be possible for dry cask storage units to hold water though? I have no idea. Regardless, maybe whatever those objects are they're going to be used to hold water as it's pumped out of the buildings. Maybe?


Again, look here



Its a better hires angle, and you can see its just above ground pipes.



posted on Apr, 13 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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You are correct


Des




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