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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 02:56 AM
reply to post by elouina

Thanks for the translation, good thing summer is coming for Japan, hopefully they will get all the misplaced placed in safety and we will learn something other than how to blow up the planet.

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:05 AM
reply to post by buni11687

NHK did mention a few days ago that it would be 3 - 6 years for the clean up to the level where they can pour concrete and 30 + years till the land can be used again. This was that professor guy talking to the NHK presenter.

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:15 AM

Originally posted by rbrtj
Back in the day they would be looking for virgins to sacrifice......
How hot is lava? Hotter than corium? Anyone?

While virgins may be hot, they are not as hot as corium

The temperature of corium can be as high as 2400°C in the first hours after the meltdown and can reach over 2800°C

The temperature of lava when it is first ejected from a volcanic vent can vary between 700 and 1200 degrees C (1300 to 2200 F).

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:24 AM
I'd think what is key now is isolating the corium from the ocean's tidal forces (if possible).

Once this is accomplished they can resume the fill & spill ops while working on controlling volatile emissions like xenon, cesium and iodine. The fill & spill will work as they would have more water than they need isolated in an offshore containment pool. Just need to repair the condensers or construct a new one.

Wide dispersal would be a solution for waste water assuming it will be allowed. It'll still poison the ocean but the devastation would be minimized.

There are reactors under the ocean right now pumping out radiation that some have pointed to on other sites however these are deep water wrecks. They are not affecting photosynthetic organisms such as plankton and surface dwelling food chain base organisms. Apples and oranges in terms of bio-accumulation.

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:46 AM
S. Korea to send nuclear team to Japan for safety assessment: official

SEOUL, April 11 (Yonhap) -- A team of South Korea's nuclear experts will travel to Japan later this week for discussions on the threat of radiation leaks from the Fukushima Daiichi plant crippled by last month's earthquake and tsunami, an official said Monday.

The six-member delegation, comprised of officials from the Korea Institute of Nuclear Safety and the science ministry, will attend the two-day meeting from Tuesday in Tokyo, foreign ministry vice spokesman Shin Maeng-ho said.


posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:52 AM
Federal Maritime Commission

Commission Meeting Scheduled for April 13, 2011
April 6, 2011

Sunshine Act Meeting

Time and Date:
Wednesday, April 13, 2011 – 10:00 a.m.

800 North Capitol Street, N.W.
First Floor Hearing Room
Washington, D.C.

The meeting will be an Open Session.

Matters to be Considered:

Open Session

1. Update on Situation at the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant in Japan
2. Staff Review and Recommendation Concerning Activities that may be Conducted without further Agreement Filings under Commission Rule 46 C.F.R. § 535.408
3. Discussion of Current Trade Conditions and Next Steps on Commission’s Fact Finding 26 Recommendations
4. Discussion of Level of Financial Responsibility to Meet Liability Incurred for Death or Injury to Passengers or Other Persons on Voyages

Karen V. Gregory

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:54 AM
reply to post by zorgon

Interesting and very hot, thanks for the info guys and gals, I look forward to catching up to you tomorrow.

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:55 AM

Originally posted by windwaker
reply to post by MedievalGhost

.14 is still not the high at all. Ironically I bet you it's much higher here in the US.

If you go to Weather Online website and check the Cesium-137 cloud forecast, you will see that incredibly large amounts of Cesium-137 are reaching the west coast of the US.

Weather Online - Cesium-137 Dispersion Forecast
edit on 12-4-2011 by windwaker because: Grammar

I still don't understand why only Cesium-137 and Iodine-131 are quoted when potentially Kgs of Pu-239 are in the original plume and possibly in subsequent releases. Isn't inhaled Pu-239 more toxic. Not to mention trace amounts of Pu-210!
edit on 12-4-2011 by Procharmo because: Spelling

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:57 AM

by SFA437 - They are not affecting photosynthetic organisms such as plankton and surface dwelling food chain base organisms. Apples and oranges in terms of bio-accumulation.

So are you saying that the radiation coming from these deep-water wrecks does not circulate and that the warmed radioactive water does not rise to the surface? What you say here in this quoted piece does not make sense to me. Plankton and krill are eaten by whales and other fish and the radiation effects will affect and are affecting species all the way up and down the food chain. How can it not?

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 03:57 AM
reply to post by rbrtj

"I saw one video on youtube, not sure if it was on here, but I saw lightening type flashes that coincide with the flashes here when we blow transformers during a wind storm and the big power lines touch. They got some big transformers and substations handling all that nuclear power to Tokyo." (pg672).

I'm now pretty well conviced it was a substation transformer, and what you describe must have been what happened.

With all these quakes there must be at lot of hard work going on to keep the Honshu electricity grid up and running. Unfortuately the quakes keep coming. Those poor people in Japan, what they are suffering. But if there is one nation on earth that could manage to recover from all these calamities it is Japan.

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 04:17 AM
reply to post by Flyinghaggis

I think it's the other way round.

If the same disaster happened to a stretch of Siberian wilderness or the Congo rainforest there would be little to no damage on little to no infrastructure. People would continue to live with little to no infrastructure as they did before.

However in London, Paris, New York or Tokyo it would be devastation. Not just because of the population density but also because to the loss of infrastructure and what (in the case of nuclear power) that failing infrastructure can do to you.

That's why when they bombed rural Afghanistan into the stone age there was no change. But the same bombing in Baghdad had a devastating effect.

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edit on 12-4-2011 by Procharmo because: Additional info

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 05:29 AM
From Canadian Business magazine, April 11, 2011

Nuclear power
The next energy crisis is here

Nuclear power is dangerous, our oil supply is unstable, and alternative energy is stumbling. With no easy options left, how will we power our future?
By Michael McCullough

The catastrophe at Japan's Fukushima Dai-ichi power plant has undeniably damaged the nuclear industry, setting back its slow-building recovery from the Chernobyl accident 25 years ago. Not only has Japan, the world's third-largest economy, shut down plants (some of them permanently) that provide one-fifth of the country's electricity, but Germany, China and Switzerland moved to halt expansions and life-extending refits to their nuclear plants.

But nuclear is far from the only villain. There seems to be no source of new energy we can live with. Last year, it was deep-water oil drilling that provoked a public outcry. The leak from BP's well in the Gulf of Mexico inspired moratoriums and costly regulations not just in the United States but around the world. The accident offered new reasons to oppose carbon-belching sources like coal and oilsands.

Adding to the list of undesirable power sources, Quebec this year reacted to concerns about water contamination, methane gas leaks and other issues by imposing a near moratorium on shale gas drilling. Likewise Ontario, already committed to phase out coal power by 2014, cancelled a project to build a gas-fired power plant in Oakville last year in the face of fierce local opposition. Even renewable sources like wind power are coming under fire from residents fearful of "wind sickness." Al Gore, the world's most prominent environmentalist, last year changed his mind about biofuels, the environmental benefits of which are looking increasingly doubtful


posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 06:12 AM
Hi Zorgon,

just wanted to comment on the following from your post some pages back:

Extract from material originally posted by zorgon
Radiation levels in parts of Fukushima over limit

The Japanese government says the radiation accumulated over a 25-day period at some locations in Fukushima Prefecture has exceeded the permissible level set for a full year.

The government announced the findings on Monday. The calculation is based on data collected from 53 locations, up to 60 kilometers from the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, from the day following the March 11th disasters through April 5th.

34 millisieverts of radiation had accumulated over that period at one location in Namie Town, about 24 kilometers northwest of the plant. This equates to about 314 millisieverts per year, more than 3 times the permissible level of 100 millisieverts.

Tuesday, April 12, 2011 08:52 +0900 (JST)

(Bolding and underlining mine. Colored text as done by Zorgon.)

Now, I have no beef with you over this.
My problem is with those who handed us this data. As soon as I read those figures, little warning bells started going off because something didn't seem right.

Here's what I mean:
As "the day following the March 11th disasters" is March 12, then from that date to April 5th (both dates inclusive) is 25 days. Anyone who wishes can confirm this here. (Or look at a calendar on your fridge or whatever.)

Clearly, as every month has more than 25 days, then the annual figure has to be more than twelve times 34, and 314 is not even ten times 34. So there was obviously either some shenanigans going on -- or whoever did the calculations hasn't a clue how to do simple arithmetic.

I suspect the former...

So okay, here's my numbers. If someone can check them then that would be good. After all, I might have missed something.

If we take the year as having 365 days and divide it by 25, we get the number of 25-day periods in the year:
365/25 = 14.6

Using a simple, equal-rate formula (as they only say "equates to"), then if there was 34 millisieverts of accumulation in 25 days, then the yearly accumulation is calculated from:
14.6 x 34 = 496.4

That is, just under 500 millisieverts in one year, not the 314 figure that they give!

Almost five times times the "permissible level" of 100 millisieverts.

I have no idea how they derived that 314 figure.

If we have an annual dose of 314 millisieverts, then the number of equal time periods at 34 millisieverts each is:
314/34 = 9.235 (rounded).

The number of days in each of those equal time periods is:
365/9.235 = 39.52 (rounded).

In other words, their figure of 314 millisieverts per year only works if the 34-millisievert accumulation period is about 39.5 days, rather than the actual 25 days.

Perhaps they allowed weekends off? Or school vacations?

Have I missed something? They have not stated they were using a sliding scale or anything like that. Their statement supports the idea that it's purely a simple arithmetic calculation. If it is, then they are wrong by a significant factor.


posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 06:14 AM
The blame game!

Ok so whose fault is it? Japan, America or France, TEPCO (Toshiba/Hitachi), GE or AREVA.


When the Fukushima No. 1 plant was being built, Japan was importing technology from the United States and learning from a more advanced nuclear power nation. The No. 1 plant was considered a "learning experience." A former TEPCO executive said, "The Fukushima No. 1 plant was a practice course for Toshiba and Hitachi Ltd. to learn about GE's design on a trial-and-error basis."

With the exception of the No. 6 reactor, the other five reactors at the Fukushima No. 1 plant are Mark I boiling-water reactors developed by GE. According to sources, the locations of emergency generators and the seawater pump structure were also based on a GE design.

In contrast, the No. 6 reactor is a Mark II reactor. Moreover, the Fukushima No. 2 plant and Kashiwazaki-Kariwa plant, which were constructed from the mid-1970s to the 1990s, used an improved and safer version of the Mark II reactor.

After Toshiba and Hitachi gained experience in constructing nuclear plants, they located emergency generators and seawater pumps within buildings.

Yet those safety improvements were never reflected in changes at the Fukushima No. 1 plant.

I'm sorry guys but it looks like Japanese engineering is superior and the American GE MkI and ground level generators are the main culprits.
From my own personal view the addition French MOX just made something bad really bad.......

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 06:22 AM
# NEWS ADVISORY: Minute amount of strontium found outside 30km from Fukushima plant: ministry (19:55)


posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 06:47 AM
Philippine government orders mandatory evacuation of nationals within 50km of Fukushima plant

Philippine President Benigno Aquino on Tuesday ordered the repatriation of Filipinos living within 50 kilometers of the quake-stricken nuclear plant in Japan to avoid long-term radiation exposure.

Moreover, he urged those Filipinos living from 50 km to 100 km of the plant to voluntarily evacuate. More than 2,000 Filipinos live within 100 km of the plant.

Those who wish to stay in Japan are urged to go to at least two churches in Tokyo and to relocation centers south of Tokyo, he said.

He said the Philippines will charter a plane to bring the Filipinos home, adding he expects the plane to take off Sunday from Niigata airport north of Tokyo.

Prior to the order Filipinos living within 20 km of the stricken power plant had been urged to evacuate.


This disaster is going to get much worse, and even the Philippine government knows it.

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 06:59 AM
Lol, that is NOT it. It is smoke rising in a weird circle,
. It was discussed a couple of hundred pages ago.

reply to post by jadedANDcynical

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 07:36 AM
S. Korea finds radioactive particles in air

SEOUL, April 12 (Yonhap) -- Traces of radioactive materials have been found in the air above South Korea's 12 detection centers due to the continued inflow of contaminants from Japan's stricken nuclear power station, a state nuclear safety body said Tuesday.

The Korea Institute of Nuclear Safety (KINS) said small amounts of iodine-131, cesium-137 and cesium-134 were found at the sites, although concentration levels posed no real health threats to humans.

The institute tested air samples taken from the detection sites across the nation from 10 a.m. Sunday through 10 a.m. Monday.

The highest concentrations of iodine-131 reached 0.755 millibecquerel (mBq) per cubic meter, with numbers for cesium-137 and cesium-134 reaching 0.220 mBq and 0.236 mBq each. The highest readings were all taken from samples collected from the port city of Gunsan, 274 kilometers southwest of Seoul.

KINS added that rain samples taken on Monday showed traces of iodine-131 detected in eight locations out of the 12 sites checked, with cesium-137 and cesium-134 being found in three locations.

Seoul has confirmed the existence of radioactive particles in the air from March 28 onwards.


posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 07:47 AM

Originally posted by MedievalGhost
# NEWS ADVISORY: Minute amount of strontium found outside 30km from Fukushima plant: ministry (19:55)


Bone cancer.

posted on Apr, 12 2011 @ 07:55 AM
What the evacuees are and will be facing if they can get themselves out of the danger zone...more dangers.

282 deaths linked to aftermath / Unsanitary conditions, cold temperatures blamed for postdisaster toll

Among people who survived the March 11 massive quake and tsunami but died later in the month in the disaster-stricken Tohoku region, at least 282 were believed to have succumbed to postdisaster-linked factors, such as cold temperatures and unsanitary conditions at evacuation sites that aggravated their chronic illnesses, The Yomiuri Shimbun has learned.

The findings were made through inquiries to key hospitals designated to handle major natural disasters in Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima prefectures.

As many of those hospitals located along the Iwate Prefecture coast that were seriously affected by the twin disasters have not responded to the Yomiuri's inquiry, meaning the number of such deaths indirectly linked to the quake and tsunami is certain to rise further.

Even though a month has passed since the disasters, the inferior sanitary conditions at evacuation centers have improved little. Experts warn such deaths indirectly linked to the disasters could occur at a much faster rate than those that occurred in the 1995 Great Hanshin Earthquake or the 2004 Niigata Prefecture Chuetsu Earthquake.

The inquiry was made to 113 hospitals--those designated as key medical institutions at the time of major natural disasters and major secondary emergency hospitals--in the three prefectures. Queries concerned the number of patients who died as their chronic illnesses deteriorated or deaths due to the onset of new illnesses in the aftermath of last month's quake and tsunami.

Of the 113 hospitals, 56 responded, with 24 hospitals confirming there were such indirect disaster-linked deaths.

Of the 282 such deaths, Miyagi Prefecture accounted for 214, Fukushima Prefecture for 63 and Iwate Prefecture for five. Most of the deaths were believed to be among the elderly.

The Ishinomaki Red Cross Hospital in Ishinomaki, Miyagi Prefecture--the city in which more than 5,000 people either died or are listed as missing--registered 127 such deaths; followed by 23 at Saka General Hospital in Shiogama, Miyagi Prefecture; 17 at Kashima Hospital in Iwaki, Fukushima Prefecture; and 10 at Fukushima Medical University Hospital in Fukushima.


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