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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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You want perspective?

There are / were about 12,000 times as many curies in the cooling pool in Fukushima Dai-ichi reactor four as there were in the Hiroshima bomb, and that's just one of many Japanese reactors in trouble. You can imagine the figures for the Mox-using reactor three which has been totally destroyed.

The fuel rods in these pools have been left uncovered, steaming and then burning as they release radiation into the environment in a continuing stream, the likes of which this earth has never seen before.

Spent Fuel at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant

The Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Fuel Management Issue

US stores spent nuclear fuel rods at 4 times pool capacity





Thanks for your perspective. I used to work as an engineer for 12 years. Mostly petrochem, but know enough about nukes to tell that they created hot pool of fuel in that first week. Who knows where it is by now?
Did you see that they are going to pump wet concrete on it. What if it's through the secondary containment and they seal off the only vent it has? Do they even have a picture of what the reactor is like now?
What's your background?

I am asking because I don't know, and this has kinda dropped off the mainstream news, for some reason.
I have not had time to back read this entire thread, so if this info was already posted just point me to it and save the rage.

M




posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:35 AM
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Thanks for your time.

Did you see they are going to pump wet concrete onto the reactors?
might as well slap some Belzona on it in my op.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by Kailassa
reply to post by IDBIT
 


That's one theory, and Silverlok has done a great job of explaining it.

However it's pretty strange that no Japanese authority has yet stated this as fact or shown us the burnt substation.


It could be just power lines shorting out.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:43 AM
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no



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:46 AM
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The yellow barrels of doom..... along with tennis shoes, zillions of tiny plastic bottles of who knows what. If it gets dumped in the pacificand floats it shows up here eventually.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:48 AM
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I would just like to explain to people exactly what molten metal/water mixed reacts like:

Once upon a time I worked in a metal reprocessing smelter. This is where chunks of metal are melted down and made into other things. The first step is loading approx 1 ft chunks of scrap into an empty furnace. These chunks where quite complicated, grilles, filters etc with many perforations and cavities. They were also stored outside - in the rain. So the cavities would be full of water or at the very least moisture/condensation. The furnace is approx 3 feet wide and 8 deep. The operators would pile the furnace full and switch it on. Eventually the bottom of the pile would start to melt. And you would think the metal would just slowly liquefy and ooze to the bottom.

However occasionally the pile of metal would jam against the side and a gap would form from the pile bottom to the pool of metal. Now even though the pile could have been sat there for 15-30 mins being heated to 1000+ deg some of the cavities would still BE WET. Eventually the piece of metal holding the pile up would melt enough that it would literally drop the pile into the molten pool.

BIG FEAKIN BANG!

We are talking maybe 1 or 2 cc of water dropped into tens of liters of molten metal. The ceiling was 8 feet from the top of the furnace and completely spattered with metal up to 10 feet from the furnace. Similarly on the floor around it. While writing this it has just hit me - look at the relative size of furnace and widening of the blast to the ceiling e.g 3 foot wide furnace = 10 ft blast radius. Now watch the explosion at Fukushima #3 again specifically the obviously directed upwards blast. Pretty much the same thing.

On a side note concerning structural steel (I have been a civil engineer for a while too) Steel starts to degrade structurally when heated to 600-800 degrees, glows red at 900-1000, white at 1000+ where it actually starts to melt visibly. The actual temp for any given steel is determined by what other elements have been alloyed with it etc. So if you look at any pics of the reactor and you can see any structural steel that looks saggy, uniformly curved/deformed downwards (by gravity), and seems to lack obvious blast damage - that steel has been heated to at least 600 degrees long enough for deformation to take place.

Hopefully people examining photos can use this info to gauge what temps parts of the plant may have attained.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:50 AM
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Did you see they are going to pump wet concrete on the reactors?

M



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon


Left hand and right hand need to set up a meeting and get on the same page

edit on 10-4-2011 by zorgon because: (no reason given)


Well that would require them having a straight story, which is pretty tough to do when they are hurling lies all day long!



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:56 AM
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So in a nut shell what do you think it is?



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:58 AM
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Wow, are we seeing what hundreds of billions of dollars of debt can do to our ability to ask reasonable questions? At least they are smart enough not to go sailing.

M



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 02:59 AM
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Originally posted by XRaDiiX
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You do realise the amount of Radiation detected in Milk Etc was lower than the background radiation we receive each day? Fear monger much?


Get yourself educated on this topic before you choose to cast aspersions on a very well supported and thought out perspective. In fact, isotopes collect in the environment and accumulate internally and at this moment levels appear low in samples collected, however very few samples have been tested. Milk is not being tested in Canada. The position you so easily dismiss argues that low levels may not be as benign as we thought and cites several eminent radiation doctors and specialists working in the field with patients over several years. Do you refute these claims with some science of your own other than some documentary you watched funded by the nuke industry? I'm going to take a wild guess and say no.

Do not seek to relieve your cognitive dissonance by accusing people posting good science as fear-mongerers. If you feel afraid, it is not the message giver, but fear of the truth. Calling good science "fear mongering" is a tactic to silence people, and I most often hear it when people are fighting to protect the status quo or are hearing things that would make them crap their pants if they were to allow themselves to believe. Go ahead, your playstation is waiting, we won't miss you.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:03 AM
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Anybody post this one yet ... allegedly from a cell-phone camera looking at Fukushima Daiichi at the time the Tsunami hit ...



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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I just wanted to add in relation to nuclear nightmares on the BBC - there were several complaints upheld about this programme and they did issue a formal apology (which prob was not seen by many of the public) Full details of the complaint and response can be seen here
docs.google.com...
PH1cnf81pAJ:www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/assets/files/pdf/appeals/esc_bulletins/sep07.pdf+horizon+nuclear+nightma res+-+bbc+complaint+upheld&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgZfn2VXnk5GFioVqcZuFwxoqbrJDV6PsPyZ_8S5uRnpMu1veb5qljD0QgLoAgWg128_wvjDiij0QgBQ32SOELIzHTmxI vGZRyaLbq2TiPs1vTJhLI31dj3pWtF1J1NxAfawOx-&sig=AHIEtbRFGjpBnRDz5S2uacz6g5jJFuXKDA

I just wanted to add that it was originally told to these women that the radium would be flushed out of their systems easily and they were working with such low doses that it wouldn't affect their health... www.rerowland.com...

I agree there are arguments from both sides - but when the arguments pro nuclear come from those funded by the nuke industry my BS radar gets busy!



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by IDBIT
reply to post by Silverlok
 


So in a nut shell what do you think it is?


the flash?...explained

the criticalities ? in a shell : expatriated death , time release but death none the less



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:11 AM
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Nice catch!

Looks like the whole site (at least where units #1-4 were) was completely inundated, based on that diagram.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:12 AM
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Unless we get a steam explosion of the corium, yes, they've "managed" a slow release which is the best outcome for GE/JapGov/TEPCO's shareholders, slow death for thousands of folks in the wrong place at the wrong time.
edit on 10-4-2011 by Wertwog because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:13 AM
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Originally posted by EnhancedInterrogator
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Anybody post this one yet ... allegedly from a cell-phone camera looking at Fukushima Daiichi at the time the Tsunami hit ...





It's courtesy of TEPCO, so it's probably altered.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:16 AM
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That video is also on NHK now ...
15-meter waves hit Fukushima



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by morefiber

Originally posted by Kailassa
There are / were about 12,000 times as many curies in the cooling pool in Fukushima Dai-ichi reactor four as there were in the Hiroshima bomb, and that's just one of many Japanese reactors in trouble. You can imagine the figures for the Mox-using reactor three which has been totally destroyed.

The fuel rods in these pools have been left uncovered, steaming and then burning as they release radiation into the environment in a continuing stream, the likes of which this earth has never seen before.

Spent Fuel at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant

The Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Fuel Management Issue

US stores spent nuclear fuel rods at 4 times pool capacity

Thanks for your perspective. I used to work as an engineer for 12 years. Mostly petrochem, but know enough about nukes to tell that they created hot pool of fuel in that first week. Who knows where it is by now?
Did you see that they are going to pump wet concrete on it. What if it's through the secondary containment and they seal off the only vent it has?

Pumping wet concrete onto the melting core would create a steam explosion, blasting radioactive material everywhere. The heat would prevent the concrete curing, and could be enough to burn it.

TEPCO tried pumping liquid glass, supposedly to seal off water leaks leaks to stop water leaking into the ocean. I suspect this was actually an ill-advised attempt to enclose the melted down core to prevent further radioactivity escaping. According to TEPCO the liquid glass just flowed away.

You are speaking about one reactor. Are you aware there are serious problems with at least four of the six reactors in the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant, and suspicion of problems at other quake-affected Japanese nuclear plants as well?


Do they even have a picture of what the reactor is like now?

Lots.
These are some of the best available:
Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Plant Hi-Res Photos


What's your background?

I'm a fast learner who reads a lot.



I am asking because I don't know, and this has kinda dropped off the mainstream news, for some reason.
I have not had time to back read this entire thread, so if this info was already posted just point me to it and save the rage.
M

There are a lot of big money interests who are likely to be using their financial muscle as advertisers to stem the flow of information considered detrimental to the growth of the nuclear power industry.

To learn more without having to read through the whole of this thread, (which would be worthwhile if you have time,) I suggest you scan these links to all the posts in this thread of two intelligent guys who both have some experience/training in this thread:

Posts in thread by Silverlok

Posts in thread by TheRedneck

Keep asking. There's a lot to learn.



posted on Apr, 10 2011 @ 03:25 AM
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Originally posted by Kailassa
reply to post by IDBIT
 


That's one theory, and Silverlok has done a great job of explaining it.

However it's pretty strange that no Japanese authority has yet stated this as fact or shown us the burnt substation.




I would also like to see the busted substation if that is what they are saying it is. No screenshot, no boss kill! Lol.




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