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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Pripyat, we will never forget you



A haunting video showcasing daily life in Pripyat before the Chernobyl meltdown. In the future, will we see videos like this about Japan?



edit on 4-4-2011 by MedievalGhost because: (no reason given)




posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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Not all of Japan. Though at the rate of cognitive dissonance doing on, and the population which eats lots of seafood, you'll probably be seeing ones like this about this area of the Prefecture and about the severe increase in cancer in ten years.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:00 PM
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Considering the possible extremities (severity/plural) of this "crack" and their inability to plug it up to this point makes me wonder why cork is not being used. And by itself melting, that seems to me that will be a more viable option...

I'm just thinking out loud.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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As previously stated I started following this thread on page 163. I was searching the net for more information and received nothing credible until I discovered ATS and joined.

Since then I have been amazed by the continuing information gathering backed up by links to the source material. It seems to me that certain members have analyzed the gathered information and posted ideas and scenarios that have been proven to be what’s happening 10-14 days later. (You know who you are!).

It reminds me of the movie “Forbidden Planet” As if all the great brains on here are working on this problem and dreaming about the consequences have formed into some mighty human/Krell machine to act them out.

It also has been suggested that maybe TEPCO is reading this thread. Go with me on this, I am asking if we can post some “best case scenarios” and get the mighty/Krell machine working on a successful outcome for this disaster?

If you haven’t seen the movie.
en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:06 PM
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Originally posted by IDBIT
As previously stated I started following this thread on page 163. I was searching the net for more information and
It reminds me of the movie “Forbidden Planet” As if all the great brains on here are working on this problem and dreaming about the consequences have formed into some mighty human/Krell machine to act them out.


Could it be that this type of accident is why CERN gave us the internet?

So we could collaborate and monitor and influence events that are not only out of the envelope but clear off the table and out the wall?



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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The past few days - I have been thinking similar thoughts - and most of them relate to MOX fuel. Originally Unit 1 was going to be MOX. There was a protest. They waited. Then with a tweak or two here and there...Unit 3 went MOX. Problem is...MOX started coming to Japan in 1999 and hasn't stopped since. Where has it been stored? Now Japan has been in the business of producing MOX fuel. Where are those stored and produced? The word interim starts popping on those searches...mmmm. What exactly was in those 7 spent fuel pools? What else was stored in containment on that plant site? The information so far is sparse, but there are some trails. I'm still following them...will post more when my eyes will stay open. I think there is a possibility that there was more at this plant...than met the eye. I hope the trail leads nowhere...but....so far has not been so good.

Good night you brilliant, kind, compassionate and committed people. I honestly have faith that the answers - the one's that can be found - will come from ATS or someplace similar...it IS an all-skate. Sometimes it is...about trying to save the world. It's the only one we've got.

Thanks for your posts.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:08 PM
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The one thing I've not seen here yet, NOT ONCE, in the press or media, is an official standing at a press conference taking questions.

NOT ONCE has a member of the press been allowed to question government officials or Tepco officials, or officials of Government Electric.

It's always 'This is what we choose to tell you, We are so sorry."

So sorry but I'm a bit sick of it.

Hold a dang press conference and answer our questions!
edit on 4-4-2011 by SDoradus because: Exclamative!



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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A projection of particulate matter


frightening but at least some more informed coverage
eactor 3 uses mixed uranium-plutonium oxide (MOX) fuel in the core. According to Edwin Lyman of the UCS, “the use of MOX generally increases the consequences of severe accidents in which large amounts of radioactive gas and aerosol are released compared to the same accident in a reactor using non-MOX fuel…. Because of this, the number of latent cancer fatalities resulting from an accident could increase by as much as a factor of five for a full core of MOX fuel compared to the same accident with no MOX.” General Electric's Mark I design, it emerges, is unusually vulnerable to containment failure in the event of a core meltdown. A recent study by Sandia National Laboratories shows that the likelihood of containment failure is nearly 42 per cent. “The most likely failure scenario involves the molten fuel burning through the reactor vessel, spilling onto the containment floor, and spreading until it contracts and breaches the steel containment-vessel wall. The Sandia National Laboratories report characterises these probabilities as ‘quite high'.”

and from the 21st:


Eight of 18 air monitors in California, Oregon and Washington state that track radiation from Japan’s nuclear reactors are “undergoing quality review,” according to the Environmental Protection Agency’s website. … “What we are seeing is not a problem,” [Ronald Fraass, director of the EPA’s National Air and Radiation Environmental Laboratory in Montgomery, Alabama] said today in a telephone interview. … Monitors are listed as undergoing review if they report an abnormal reading, Fraass said. … An abnormality might mean that the monitor isn’t working correctly, or the device measured a spike in radiation levels attributable to an environmental change, Fraass said. …


wow I missed this one


China rejects ship from California with “abnormal” radiation — Had only been in Tokyo for a few hours March 29th, 2011 at 02:50 AM


Cali for those that don't worry that immediate does not mean never

[ex]Anaheim, CA has highest amount of radioactive fallout of any EPA air monitoring station in Continental U.S. for iodine-131 March 31st, 2011 at 08:41 PM

but I am sure that low levels and no immediate threat mean that there will never be a problem

Nuclear industry propaganda about low-level radiation is “absolute rubbish” says physician who taught at Harvard Med School — It’s all about internal emitters

Good video here covering fukushima , plutonium and a debate

And remember the U.S. department of energy says, there is no safe limit...


"The U.S. Department of Energy has testified that there is no level of radiation that is so low that it is without health risks," Jacqueline Cabasso,...Her foundation monitors and analyses U.S. nuclear weapons programs and policies and related high technology energy, with a focus on the national nuclear weapons laboratories. Cabasso explained that natural background radiation exists, "But more than 2,000 nuclear tests have enhanced this background radiation level, so we are already living in an artificially radiated environment due to all the nuclear tests." "Karl Morgan, who worked on the Manhattan project, later came out against the nuclear industry when he understood the danger of low levels of ionising radiation-and he said there is no safe dose of radiation exposure," Cabasso continued, "That means all this talk about what a worker or the public can withstand on a yearly basis is bogus. There is no safe level of radiation exposure. These so-called safe levels are coming from within the nuclear establishment."



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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Until a year ago I lived near a large Toyota plant in the US - Georgetown, Ky actually. I have 2 people in the family employed there and a lot of people in the area work there and reply on it for employment. So here is my point - if the plant accepts parts from Japan as usual (even tho I don't think they will) they could be contaminated??? I know this is far fetched and may not happen but I have been thinking how will other countries be able to examine everything coming in to be sure it is radioactive free?. What countries will disallow imports?


That's a VERY valid question considering the U.S. can't even keep all the damn lead tainted Chinese plastic out of the country. Tell your two family members to be extremely cautious, because you'll never get the real facts.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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Oh, the way they are stalling like crazy and bringing in the French I'm sure they've been doing dirty deeds done dirt cheap. The French go WAY back with the brokering of nuclear deals that are not fit for the light of day.

I wouldn't be surprised in the least that most of the lack of management is so that they can figure that end of it out, and in the mean time let the peons deal with and distract the masses.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons

Originally posted by Aeons
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You mean they don't just have upper management tell some poor bloke with a physics degree to run down the local rock plant and see if they've got some extra side walk cement around. (based on the pictures, that's what that cement looks like.)


You know, the more I think about that stupid idea of how they are pouring that concrete into those chambers.....the conspiracy theorist in me is activated.

Those holes are not likely the problem. Blocking controlled drainage areas is a BAD idea.

So...if it doesn't work, but its being done anyways....probably on direction from management. WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY TRYING TO HIDE IN THOSE ROOMS?


You could be onto something there.

I'm sceptical about the whole leak charade.
I believe TEPCO have been pumping waste water into the ocean ever since the earthquake, if not before, and looking for a leak and then not being able to fill it is just misdirection while they keep pumping radioactive water into the ocean.

I wouldn't put it past them to be using the concrete to bury entrances to illegal waste storage areas, to bury bodies they are not admitting to, or even to bury the factual books of running the plant which no outside authority is meant to see.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:21 PM
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not all of us have faith in the "world police" being on the scene, last time I checked the US government, and the canadian government were both lying to their own people over this as well, at least they've taken a hint and not gone along with the japanese lunacy and are being a little more grounded. They are liars though because they've been downplaying everything, just like the japanese. What you are referring to isn't just a strategic partner. They are our servile dependency. Without them, we don't have half of our high technology, that's what happens with globalism. You can call these players on the board "strategic partners" all you want but to me and many others here that means "hopeless dependent". Sovereign means independent. I for one value sovereignty and I'm tired of being stripped of it in the name of "global unity". I say we help ourselves then help others when we are in a position to do so, apply our energy towards excellence first then when we expend our energy helping the world there'll be plenty of it to go around because we will be more efficient with it and can teach others. I guess that's thinking too far ahead for the globalist they seem to think there is benefit towards the pale shadow of life, totally incompetent way of living that these people are currently suggesting for us all. My goal isn't to save the planet just to make one damned place on it a great place to live other than antarctica. You should be thankful I am not having kids, I am thankful because I wouldn't want to raise kids in this rotten place; but if I did I would be teaching them to defy this system, our allies, the queen, and all this rubbish we are trained like cattle to abide by.

That aside, I don't see why I should have to live in other people's pile of turd radioactive garbage. There ain't nothing bigoted about that, it was their risk, they took it, they can deal with the consequences of their decision instead of trying to dump it's consequences onto everybody else. I'm tired of being indentured to other people's mistakes. Screw this socialist crap. Go to your own socialist island if that is what you want but stop ramming this bs down our throats. IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM BUT FOR THE CONSEQUENCES TO US, just as it is not our problem to raise the man's kids who died playing russian roulette. Save the damn world on your own back bud, cuz from my perspective it's nothing but an excuse to loot me and make me into a slave.

When you point to globalism that includes nation states. They haven't been around for more than a few hundred years and they serve the profit system. Globalism on the other hand has been around a lot longer. We all live on the same globe.'
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You don't get much that is more relative than 'independence'. What precisely is one supposed to be independent from in the end?

If we follow your logic, people are naturally greedy and selfish, and each should be looking after number one first. But isn't that what has bought us to where we are now? Fukushima is nothing less than the result of pure unadulterated greed, not only greed, but a system that allows greed to rule, if the greedy are the most powerful.

'Other people' happens to be reality for all of us. You have to have a system that reflects people's needs and not peoples greed to ensure we are all able to live safely. Once you do have kids they will eventually tell you that.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
Has anyone else noti Ed that they have stopped publishing sea radiation levels?
Last I remember was 4385x "legal/safe/no immediate risk" level.


Yes that was the last recorded number before the dumping... today...



"500 times higher reported today"... Ummm sure yeah...

www.thelivingmoon.com...

Breaking News
FISHING Suspended off Fukushima


So it's still "no immediate risk to health BUT Edamo announced "Fishing has been suspended off Fukushima with no date given for restart"



...One woman is now looking for compensation from TEPCO for income loss because many Japanese in the effected area rely on fishing for livelihood...

...A restaurant owner says that even though they were told the fish is safe, customers are not taking a chance so he has no business...

...A fisherman brought in catch on his trawler and it was refused. He says he doesn't know why it was rejected because they siad it was safe. He is confused and looking for answers...



Sand Eel catch - tested at 4080 bq/kilo in the eels

New standards of level set for veggies drinking water and milk but not yet for fish or meat



...People are now worried about the release of this water into the sea and are upset...

NHK expert say it is supposed to be an emergency method only, which indicates that the situation has become very serious indeed. I haven't seen the geek back on yet, the one that kept telling us everything was okay while updating about the latest escalation



www3.nhk.or.jp...



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
So, my physics, chemist and nuclear reactor friends, can you explain to me what the issue would be with pumping neutron poisons in around the cores?

Assuming that some sort of balloon, or containment devices could be rigged up around the cores and rods, couldn't Xenon-135 be pumped into stop the reaction?

Couldn't Xenon-135 or Samarium-149 or both be suspended in a solution (saline?) and continuously pumped around the radiation sources (I hesitate to call what's melting "rods.")


edit on 2011/4/4 by Aeons because: (no reason given)


Boron is what is typically used and exactly whatArnie is calling on the Japanese to used , unfortunately the reality is that three or more of the reactors and at least three of the stored fuel pools have either fully or partially melted into puddles (five of the six reactors have now shown known uncontrolled reactions that have provably taken place ) , there is no way to get the boron between the molecules/ atoms in the corium/poolium /lava mass,
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:25 PM
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I'm sure there are real honest to god leaks. That Earthquake, the geology, the subduction zone, the dropping of the coast line, and the plant being right there on the coast, I'm sure that there are leaks.

Were they allowing some leaks before? Possibly. That doesn't preclude that the ground took damage, and the inside of the plants took damage, and now corium or something is leaking out into the ground.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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Ah, the Parade of Death.

People were not aware of the disaster and the Russian's let these people have a huge May day festival all the while receiving MASSIVE amounts of fallout. They even went as far to remove all records of this event after the fact. Sick bastards, I mean who in the hell could consciously send most of the city to their death? Oh yea, nevermind...



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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Originally posted by Chakotay

Originally posted by IDBIT
As previously stated I started following this thread on page 163. I was searching the net for more information and
It reminds me of the movie “Forbidden Planet” As if all the great brains on here are working on this problem and dreaming about the consequences have formed into some mighty human/Krell machine to act them out.


Could it be that this type of accident is why CERN gave us the internet?

So we could collaborate and monitor and influence events that are not only out of the envelope but clear off the table and out the wall?



Nice! No more far fetched than fixes with diapers, sawdust and newspapers!



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:29 PM
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So, it's finally dawning on some people in Japan, that things are not so great eh. Guess it took 6 out of control reactors peeing in the ocean to open their eyes.

TY for the info in post.

Des



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:29 PM
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Why can't a neutron poison surround the mass? Is the reaction purely on the inside of the fuel or is the environment continuing to provide neutrons to the fuel?

If the ocean water is slowing the the reaction, surely a neutron poison can slow it more.

Why can't they crack the melted ...whatever it is?



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by SDoradus
Hold a dang press conference and answer our questions!


Just heard an announcement on NHK before they went to Business report and will have to catch it next round top of the hour

www3.nhk.or.jp...

TEPCO recorded Cesium 137 levels 1.1 MILLION times higher than legal near #2 plant. I did not catch the location, and will listen closely next round. They had just finished the radiation report and so I went to type a post and they dropped it like a bomb..

Cesium 137 levels 1.1 MILLION times higher than legal near #2 plant

Watch for it on Kyoto....




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