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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Bhadhidar
If ...



It would certainly explain their, seemingly foolish, actions as "hopeless desperation".


And the reluctance to accept help from "outside" as means to limit the shame for a mission that cannot be accomplished.


Yes their actions only make sense from the perspective of trying to cover this up, as much as is humanly possible, that becomes more difficult everyday, and it appears that their focus is now and has been for a while SOLELY on keeping another explosion from happening simply for the sake of public perception ( no big boom no big problem right?) no matter what , even if that means creating more long term pollution. It is criminal especially that a people capable of this;

keep expecting us to believe in massive incompetence

About Japan and fukushima sinking the ESA's GOCE space craft(the link has an exaggerated spinning globe ) recently made a highly accurate elevation map for the entire earth:





What this shows is how far above or below any point on earth is above the 'perfect' earth shape ( the exact spheroid it would make if the planet was all water) called the geoid. what the scale represents are meters above or below the perfect geoid. As you can see that particular area of Japan sits somewhere between 40 to 60meters above the 'ideal' height, sinking there is only a matter of time ( geologically speaking ), but the ideas of cracks in the ground releasing water , maybe , it's a kind of convenient way for Tepco to dump # in the ocean without getting into trouble( so i suspect that they might be lying) , but if there are cracks ( or just breaks in the underwater heat exchanger ) we should be seeing steam at #3 and #4 when the tide is out , and no steam when the tide is in
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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I got it...i know how they could fix the crack:





(Btw,this is OnTopic...and this Thread needs something funny now and then,or you go insane...)
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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You don't just dump what you pick up at the concrete plant into a hole. God Damn It. They don't even have shakers there if that WOULD work, which is won't because it isn't pouring it on a hole - they need to SQUEEZE it into the cracked ground. And yes you can. Its formation damage control.

Its done all the freakin' time in oil and gas.

These guys need to bring on some god damn geologists.
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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not all of us have faith in the "world police" being on the scene, last time I checked the US government, and the canadian government were both lying to their own people over this as well, at least they've taken a hint and not gone along with the japanese lunacy and are being a little more grounded. They are liars though because they've been downplaying everything, just like the japanese. What you are referring to isn't just a strategic partner. They are our servile dependency. Without them, we don't have half of our high technology, that's what happens with globalism. You can call these players on the board "strategic partners" all you want but to me and many others here that means "hopeless dependent". Sovereign means independent. I for one value sovereignty and I'm tired of being stripped of it in the name of "global unity". I say we help ourselves then help others when we are in a position to do so, apply our energy towards excellence first then when we expend our energy helping the world there'll be plenty of it to go around because we will be more efficient with it and can teach others. I guess that's thinking too far ahead for the globalist they seem to think there is benefit towards the pale shadow of life, totally incompetent way of living that these people are currently suggesting for us all. My goal isn't to save the planet just to make one damned place on it a great place to live other than antarctica. You should be thankful I am not having kids, I am thankful because I wouldn't want to raise kids in this rotten place; but if I did I would be teaching them to defy this system, our allies, the queen, and all this rubbish we are trained like cattle to abide by.

That aside, I don't see why I should have to live in other people's pile of turd radioactive garbage. There ain't nothing bigoted about that, it was their risk, they took it, they can deal with the consequences of their decision instead of trying to dump it's consequences onto everybody else. I'm tired of being indentured to other people's mistakes. Screw this socialist crap. Go to your own socialist island if that is what you want but stop ramming this bs down our throats. IT IS NOT OUR PROBLEM BUT FOR THE CONSEQUENCES TO US, just as it is not our problem to raise the man's kids who died playing russian roulette. Save the damn world on your own back bud, cuz from my perspective it's nothing but an excuse to loot me and make me into a slave.
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Yeah - calling people pinkos will surely stop the three eyed fish. Its like armour - call people pinkos, and suddenly none of the fish you eat next year will have been born of trawlers picking up fish that were in this area.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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From the get-go on this I figured it was going to be bad. I don't know a lot about the ins & outs but I do have a good working knowledge of NBC response and saw from day 1 TEPCO was lying their butts off to protect the corporation at the expense of the people.

I can't say it strongly enough- the time has come for TEPCO to finally admit the truth...

That things are so far out of control that it will not be regained.

That this will not be measured in months or years but in generations.

That the Pacific is being poisoned on a level that was unthinkable just last month.

That they need help- every bit of it that the world can provide.

Not going to happen of course which does nothing but aggravate my ulcers. There's a line from Men In Black that is quite appropriate and seems to be the party line for TEPCO, NISA, IAEA and the GoJ :

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

My reply to TEPCO et. al. is "Tomorrow is here and I know that your lies and misdirection has damned your country to become uninhabitable in the insane pursuit of profit and of saving face. You are a disgrace to your country, to your race and to humanity. Words like honor and duty have no meaning to the likes of you and you are beneath the contempt of the planet which you have irreparably poisoned. My you reap in the next life what you have sown in this one."



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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Just


They might as well fire number five back up and go for a sexfecta.

Not even sure that's a word, but I think you all know what I mean.

This just keeps getting better and better (not).



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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They asked Russia to send a ship that decontaminates water. Apparently Russia uses it to decomission nuclear subs and it was partially funded by Japan.


well not that it will be a huge help...they dumped more today than that thing can process in a year


"Suzuran" is a floating treatment plant with a handling capacity of 7,000 m3/year and is one of the largest liquid radioactive waste treatment plants in the world


source



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Until a year ago I lived near a large Toyota plant in the US - Georgetown, Ky actually. I have 2
people in the family employed there and a lot of people in the area work there and reply
on it for employment. So here is my point - if the plant accepts parts from Japan as usual (even
tho I don't think they will) they could be contaminated??? I know this is far fetched and may not
happen but I have been thinking how will other countries be able to examine everything coming
in to be sure it is radioactive free?. What countries will disallow imports?



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Originally posted by SFA437

My reply to TEPCO et. al. is "Tomorrow is here and I know that your lies and misdirection has damned your country to become uninhabitable in the insane pursuit of profit and of saving face. You are a disgrace to your country, to your race and to humanity. Words like honor and duty have no meaning to the likes of you and you are beneath the contempt of the planet which you have irreparably poisoned. My you reap in the next life what you have sown in this one."


This sums up what we are all feeling inside and know deep down.

It is unimaginable that a people, a culture and a civilization so beautiful and unique with such a long history could be brought down by such incompetence. It's a living nightmare that I wish I could wake up from.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by MedievalGhost
A few pages back, I mentioned seeing a Japanese tv talk show host and his guests smiling while eating radioactive Fukushima vegetables, saying how safe and delicious they are. I ran across this photo today of one of the same guests who was on that show:





Fukushima Prefectural Gov. Yuhei Sato, right, actor Toshiyuki Nishida, center, and other people together eat cucumbers in a demonstration that vegetable is safe to eat at Koriyama, northeastern Japan on Friday, April 1, 2011.

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Koriyama is very close to Fukushima ground zero. Irresponsible.


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Seppuku the slow way.

I spent three years in Japan, and I never thought I'd see this from them.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by TheLastStand
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...last time I checked the US government, and the canadian government were both lying to their own people over this as well... just like the japanese.


Let's see... NORAD and the Japanese. Your enemies list is getting longer.

Russian roulette? World Police? Are you Ronnery?

The solution to this tragedy is unshakeable determination to see the long course through.

There are no easy, quick fixes for nuclear doom. Unless your experience at Chernobyl could be of use to the West?



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:11 PM
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well if the weight of the mixture itself isn't sufficiently high enough to produce adequate fluidic pressure around the crack to seep into it, then you do what redneck suggested, pressure inject it. A higher atmospheric pressure adds what extra is needed, job done, and probably a more adviseable process as you'd want whatever is filling the cracks to be-able to handle good pressure, the higher the more viscous the colloid crack filler is. Push it as far as it goes but I would start with the heaviest and then go lighter. Paper and diapers have gotta be the stupidest ideas, honestly. I think it's also possible to use foam, that is specially engineered.

As for the bedrock though I don't think pressure injection is such a good idea. A slow longer-term release is much better than disturbing it into a massive instant release. It could make the difference between a dead planet and a living one. So there really aren't any easy fixes like "filling cracks" for this one. I think they need to figure a way to remove the material itself. What an enormous challenge when it turns molten and starts seeping into the bed rock (if it already hasn't). Nothing short of nanotech can help if it does, and still maybe not even that (seeing as it could be worse for the environment than the problem it would fix).

I think we are thinking on too small of a scale for what needs to be done in japan. This situation is sickening. They will literally have to remove that chunk of bedrock and move it piece by piece to somewhere safer than it is. All of that radioactive crap is only an earthquake away from sinking into the ocean. Completely. And that wouldn't be problem solved I think it would be a horrifying disaster.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:14 PM
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Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by TheLastStand
 


You don't just dump what you pick up at the concrete plant into a hole. God Damn It. They don't even have shakers there if that WOULD work, which is won't because it isn't pouring it on a hole - they need to SQUEEZE it into the cracked ground. And yes you can. Its formation damage control.

Its done all the freakin' time in oil and gas.

These guys need to bring on some god damn geologists.
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Actually just some simple working class guys known as 'mudjackers', in a place with contanst earth quakes and winter heaving I am SURE that they have mudjacking stuff there, that's what makes it an obvious farce, there are probably ten companies within a hundred clicks that could pump concrete inot holes in the ground ( it's what they do )



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Um, divers?

So that's basically a suicide mission.

When do we get to the part of the movie where the aliens show up and save everybody?

Man this sucks.
edit on 4-4-2011 by notsofunnyguy because: Man this sucks.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:16 PM
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They need to control the bedrock damage before they can get the leak under control. Since they can't control it from the inside, they must control it from the outside. And yes, you can squeeze cement into damaged rock and it doesn't explode the planet.

If they insist on active management, which apparently is what is going to happen, then they need to control what they can. And a geologist can plan out how to get the cement into formation damage just under the surface.

It'd be so awesome if they had to frack the damn thing first to get it to seal properly. I love irony.
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:17 PM
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They are rejecting it because they don't want people sitting in it, a contaminated car a mile down the street won't even register on the most sensitive instruments. Maybe a slight barely noticeable statistical anomaly amongst background radiation caused by a factory full of it. At current levels.
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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I have information on that. I also have extended family members that work for Toyota parts companies. They repackage. They were informed Friday that containers with parts from Japan were being held in customs in California because of contamination concerns and their hours were being cut. These companies need to aggressively move their manufacturing concerns off that rock and onto U.S. soil or elsewhere in the world. These ripples are going to be huge. In fact, it will be an economic tsunami to the lower and middle classes whose jobs rely in any way, shape or form from products produced and shipped from Japan.

Imagine...if we are holding shipments, scanning passengers on planes already for radiation coming in from Japan...what will happen once word actually gets out that there is a real threat. Right now, most of the population thinks radiation levels are declining and this is getting solved. We know better...it's worse than I imagine...even we can imagine...and that's saying something.

(And to think people laughed at our stylish tin foil hats...we knew all along...they protect you from...well you know...radiation.)



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:19 PM
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You mean they don't just have upper management tell some poor bloke with a physics degree to run down the local rock plant and see if they've got some extra side walk cement around. (based on the pictures, that's what that cement looks like.)



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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Wasn't suggesting concrete, lookover my old posts I wasn't even suggesting anything permanent at all but a temporary plug first, then you can get some more permanent measures in place. The more permanent stuff would require a very large amount of concrete. But honestly, that plant is going to sink into the ocean one day no matter if we build the next great pyramid to encapsulate it or not, the only solution that could ever work would be to get all that stuff cleaned up and the hell out of there.

And I'll add something else here, the IAEA has been totally irresponsible with their zoning of where nuke plants may be built. I think it is a catastrophic mistake that their management of the nuclear industry has resulted in this and I am not the only person who thinks an ocean side nuke plant to be just begging for a contamination disaster. Put these things on the moon and beam microwaves back or something.... who cares if the moon gets contaminated, it'll give it a healthy glow.
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