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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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Originally posted by SFA437
Anyone else look at this guy's name and chuckle?


No not till you mentioned it... Immelt PRICELESS




posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 08:38 PM
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“Report” to come from #1!
US military CBIRF team on ground in Tokyo,
enenews.com...
They are specialists at detecting “extremely dangerous levels of radiation”
Have already found it on the bottoms of their shoes….
Preparing for “unexpected contingencies”?
#1 “Big bada boom”?

Where is Dr. von Neumann when we need him? Einstein, Teller?
Time to call out to the quantum physicists.
How can you create a neutron beam?
How would you “channel” it through plasma? Along with the corium em flux?
What sort of phased pumped nonlinear emf would be required to “induce” a coherent flash release….into space?
Just thinking.
.....available for thinking.

Shouldn’t the Japanese people run their drinking water through municipal zeolite media filtration? Why hasn’t this been done? Have the West Coast US and Canadian municipalities been prepared to do this? Japan, Korea, and China are great producers of zeolites; what will they do when the winds change from the west to the east. Zeolites were used with great success around Chernobyl and at TMI.

I wish I could do more but it seems no one is at the helm…..except at ATS of course.
Who IS making the decisions? Who knows who makes the decisions?
We know who the “experts” are; those who have sold their souls. They have been recorded in print and video along with their foolishness or their lies….they have become part of the fallout. In time they will answer to God, and perhaps to the people. Who are the men in the empty suits who claim to be leaders? How many tens or hundreds of millions will be poisoned before the people hold them accountable?
Comet Elenin will be arriving around September. The sun has been “waking up”. Who will save himself from the Hand of God?

I would like to say to all those who have conspired together to murder the innocent. Turn away. For shall not those who follow after the wicked be counted with them?

Time is growing short; the winds will be changing soon.

Psalm 11
4The LORD is in his holy temple, the LORD's throne is in heaven: his eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.
5The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.
6Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest: this shall be the portion of their cup.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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I wish they would also report on Cl-38, Sr-90, and alpha particles (Pu-238, Po-210 and americium-241) but I guess that would be too much to ask.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 08:40 PM
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Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by Procharmo
 


Your reaction was uncalled for Sir. I was only referring to a much earlier post, I made in this thread, maybe 150 pages ago, regarding the discussion at the time, of possible ways to separate rods, should the need arise. It was not a call to patriotism, nor a call to take sides on an issue. Let's play nice ok?

Des


edit on 03/28/2011 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)


Hey. When I said "Peace man" I meant it. Peace man is like me putting my hands up in gesture of semi submission. It's kind of like saying "I'm sorry the source was a hoax but I'm surprised you wanted to blow stuff up!"

So what's this "let's play nice OK". An internet threat?



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by MedievalGhost
Toyota likely to halt all output operations in N. America



Toyota Motor Corp. is highly likely to halt all manufacturing operations at its factories in North America later this month due to parts supply disruptions caused by the March 11 earthquake disaster in Japan, company officials said Monday.


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Halt ALL car production? Wow.


I think this is opportunism on their part, using the disaster to hide diminishing and unsustainable production. If they lay people off I'm betting a large number of them never get hired back



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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I did, probably somewhere on page 250 or so. Sure is rediculous ain't it, individually they may not be a threat, but combined, these contaminants are cumulative and deadly. Plus the toxicity isn't just limited to radiation but to the novel chemistry that can cause various problems as well. The iodine and thyroid thing is an explanation that encompasses both types of contamination, resulting in a concentration of radioactive iodine in the thyroid, but what of the strontium that gets uptaken, if I recall that works similar to calcium ion channels, that is bad news within biological chemistry. Many of these rare earth elements and heavy metals are bad freaking news even if they aren't radioactive, but because they are and because it's a strengthening of a field of isotopes which we are bombarded with we will experience a more dense concentration of things that weren't supposed to EVER get this heavily concentrated in our environment (even globally). What's next using mercury to cool the rods? Anybody that is within 100km of that plant is going to be hurting bad in a few months, sure sucks to have to sit back and watch this.

Additionally many groups of toxins can have synergistic effects and be multi-cumulative. This makes for a pretty ugly scenario. No wonder there are warnings of disease running rampant, they probably will all have half destroyed immune systems from this pollution. At current levels it is a problem, and if there's much more worsening of conditions it'll be impossible to sweep under the carpet.
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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Originally posted by OuttaHere
reply to post by makeitso
 



The presence of TE-129 indicates criticality is occurring. It doesn't form any other way.



This means that reactor 6 is having criticality episodes.



Yet no further information or reporting on it...



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 08:54 PM
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Captain Catastrophe and Fallout Boy (not the band) strike again!
Who will stop their evil plan of flooding the worlds markets with glowing fish sticks and neon sushi rolls?
Time will tell.

Its hard, but you just have to laugh at this S#%t sometimes.
edit on 4-4-2011 by comawhite12 because: DAMN spelling



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by makeitso

Originally posted by zorgon

But WHY oh WHY are they dumping water from #5 and #6 now?



Good question. Seems there is a problem @ #5 & #6.
I quietly posted it, but few noticed. This thread does move fast though.
Anything in this PDF catch your eye now?

Press Release Appendix (Mar 31,2011)
Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station: the result of measurement of sub drain(PDF 11.2KB)






edit on 4/4/11 by makeitso because: (no reason given)


Yes and it looks like Arnie is playing it a bit safe ( understandably )but he did give us hint with that, "getting neutrons at the guard shack" comment. Criticality at 6 (within the last day and a half)no doubt, criticality at 1 (within the last day and a half)no doubt, .

These were measured at a drain so criticality could be either in a leaking core or the pool (ao a mass of poolium or corium on the floor somewhere), the night glow (cherenkov) indicates that a VERY LARGE MASS in the pool at one fissioning, hence unshielded neutron radiation would be bombarding #2 , #5 and #6 and possibly stimulating a chain reaction in the unsheilded pools at 5 and 6(well definitely 6)


So now we have 5 REACTORS CONFIRMED TO have UNCONTROLLED CHAIN REACTIONS( MELT DOWNS)
in various stages ( how is this not a 6,7,8,9,? )

I thinkthat four is not responding becase the mass of poolium is now in and under the building ( hence in the water ) which means that it shoudl be getting pretty hot down there , but somewhat sheilded from #1 neutrons

So I think you are correct Zorgon, I think that this water is so seriously radioactive having been in direct contact with fissioning materials and having been bombarded uncontrollably on and off for by neutrons for over ten days that it is deadly , still Tepco should be buying every tanker truck , septic tank , inflatable swimming pool in japan and putting the water there and then shielding it ( cheap bastards)
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by TheLastStand
reply to post by zorgon
 


I did, probably somewhere on page 250 or so. Sure is rediculous ain't it, individually they may not be a threat, but combined, these contaminants are cumulative and deadly. Plus the toxicity isn't just limited to radiation but to the novel chemistry that can cause various problems as well. The iodine and thyroid thing is an explanation that encompasses both types of contamination, resulting in a concentration of radioactive iodine in the thyroid, but what of the strontium that gets uptaken, if I recall that works similar to calcium ion channels, that is bad news within biological chemistry. Many of these rare earth elements and heavy metals are bad freaking news even if they aren't radioactive, but because they are and because it's a strengthening of a field of isotopes which we are bombarded with we will experience a more dense concentration of things that weren't supposed to EVER get this heavily concentrated in our environment (even globally). What's next using mercury to cool the rods? Anybody that is within 100km of that plant is going to be hurting bad in a few months, sure sucks to have to sit back and watch this.

Additionally many groups of toxins can have synergistic effects and be multi-cumulative. This makes for a pretty ugly scenario. No wonder there are warnings of disease running rampant, they probably will all have half destroyed immune systems from this pollution. At current levels it is a problem, and if there's much more worsening of conditions it'll be impossible to sweep under the carpet.
edit on 4-4-2011 by TheLastStand because: (no reason given)


O,k this is getting a bit off into not sleeping well territory , but if this were a twilight zone episode you would get this super tough radiation "proof" mutant disease and a bunch of hungery japanese with weak immune systems to perfect it's deadly evolution into something truely nasty
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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by BKGump
“Report” to come from #1!
US military CBIRF team on ground in Tokyo,
enenews.com...


That possibility is why they are there- to get people important to the United States (read Embassy personnel) out of Tokyo in the event of catastrophic events (steam explosion etc.) and to prevent interference with that goal, with force if necessary.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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A few pages back, I mentioned seeing a Japanese tv talk show host and his guests smiling while eating radioactive Fukushima vegetables, saying how safe and delicious they are. I ran across this photo today of one of the same guests who was on that show:





Fukushima Prefectural Gov. Yuhei Sato, right, actor Toshiyuki Nishida, center, and other people together eat cucumbers in a demonstration that vegetable is safe to eat at Koriyama, northeastern Japan on Friday, April 1, 2011.

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Koriyama is very close to Fukushima ground zero. Irresponsible.


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posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:05 PM
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It kind of looks like that guy in the middle already ate way too many glowy veggies



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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Originally posted by MedievalGhost
and other people together eat cucumbers in a demonstration that vegetable is safe to eat at Koriyama, northeastern Japan on Friday, April 1, 2011.



Cucumbers were not on any list of contaminated veggies that I have seen... let them eat spinach
because that crop was out doors pre harvest at the time



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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Originally posted by Silverlok
It kind of looks like that guy in the middle already ate way too many glowy veggies


I dunno... I want to see them SWALLOW the girl looks like she is removing the bite she took



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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dont they have anyone there that knows anything about concrete repair? they are nuclear physicists for christs sake? dont they know how to plug concrete? i will tell ya, you dont start trying to push concrete into a crack that has water pressure built up on outside trying to push in. there is oakum that you stuff in that expands to fill the crack, an if that doesnt work there is a maple syrup like chemical(cant remember name of it) that you drill hole above that hole, insert a plug with a fitting on end and pump this syrupy chemical into the plug. it interacts with the water outside the crack and starts expanding like foam and follows the water and fills the crack. this is how you plug leaks in sanitation manholes. this is how you plug a water leak in concrete. a nuclear physicist doesnt know this? it seems like a bunch of clowns at the circus to me. or a bunch of evil a**holes trying to poison alot of innocent people.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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www.reuters.com...

The "Suzuran", one of the world's largest liquid radioactive waste treatment plants, treats radioactive liquid with chemicals and stores it in a cement form. It is can process 35 cubic metres of liquid waste a day and 7,000 cubic metres a year.

Any guesses to where the cement form of this waste is going to end up? Sure is a lot of ocean between Russia and Japan.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Silverlok
It kind of looks like that guy in the middle already ate way too many glowy veggies


I dunno... I want to see them SWALLOW the girl looks like she is removing the bite she took




Not gonna go there......



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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If the corium/poolium has infiltrated the bedrock under the plant, and that bedrock is massively fractured as a result of the quake, "plugging the leaks" may not be such a good idea.

It has been conjectured that the very high radiation readings seen at the plant are the result of water, possibly water directly from the ocean (rather than seawater pumped by TEPCO, "hit or miss" into the vicinity of the reactor(s)), coming into direct contact with the corium/poolium.

This would explain not only the abundance of highly radioactive water, but also the difficulty the TEPCO officials seem to be having in not only stemming the flow of that water, but also in finding its true source(s).


If the bedrock Is massively quake fractured, it may be completely impossible for Anyone to effectively "Seal all of the Cracks" with any technology currently available.


No matter how much they try.


Furthermore, as had been stated previously, the fact that there have been no more large eruptions of steam (or visible water vapor) (I understand the distinction just well enough to not want to step into that minefield!) may be an indication that the radioactive mass (whatever it may be composed of) has reached a, possibly momentary, point of equalibrium.

(Dear Gods! not another "ium"!)

Perhaps this is because the influx of ocean water is currently sufficient to chill the corium/poolium below what is needed to cause steam to form? Or, perhaps the steam is under such pressure that it cannot escape the bedrock fissures it is forming in until it is cooled into condensate and re-integrates with the seawater flowing away from the plant?

If the workers are successful in their efforts to block the flow of irradiated water from the plant, is there a risk that this would effictive block what appears to be some form of "natural heat exchange process" occuring below the plant?

Could efforts to "fix the problem" of the radioactive water actually Cause an even bigger problem by blowing out what remains of the bedrock from under the plant?

What kind of fallout could we expect from that scenario?



Seriously, I still think, naive though it may be, that the TEPCO officials know exactly the task they face. Know exactly that there is nothing that they can do at this stage that wold be in any way effective. Know that this disaster had them out-matched almost from the begining, when an earthquake larger than anyone ever expected, slammed into the facility. And they know that they must continue to fight a truly hopeless battle because they are fighting not for just their lives and careers...


But for the very survival of their country, their culture.


And I think that, from the very begining, It was/is a fight they knew they would probably loose!



It would certainly explain their, seemingly foolish, actions as "hopeless desparation".


And the reluctance to accept help from "outside" as means to limit the shame for a mission that cannot be accomplished.



posted on Apr, 4 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by MedievalGhost
and other people together eat cucumbers in a demonstration that vegetable is safe to eat at Koriyama, northeastern Japan on Friday, April 1, 2011.



Cucumbers were not on any list of contaminated veggies that I have seen... let them eat spinach
because that crop was out doors pre harvest at the time


Zorgon, they were also smiling while eating Fukushima strawberries on the tv show I saw yesterday. As far as I know, strawberries can absorb large amounts of radiation. Like I sad, they are being irresponsible in their reckless actions.




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