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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Found it way back on page three hundred odd!!!! But I realise I didn't say it was the same as the MOAB in structure and more like a small tactical nuke....(ie cannon or rifle).


Originally posted by Procharmo
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I'm sure there are ballistics experts who could shed some light on this. It certainly is not like the MOAB
www.youtube.com...

or FOAB www.youtube.com... explosions.

There must have bee great heat over an extended time period to force so much fine debris so high.

The explosion was more like something in between the nuclear rifle and the atomic cannon...

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

If some one can work out how tall the reactor buildings are or the cranes. Then we can estimate the minimum visible height of the plume...

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posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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This gets worse day by day ! Think i spend at least 3 hours a day reading all the posts on this thread.....Keep it up guys and galls...!

Question though, does anyone know if the Japanese can use Utube again and is there internet connections back up and running again now? Only asking as i thought by now we might have had some compelling evidence sent from them first hand, regarding the ratiation ect.






posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by JustMike
Okay, for what it's worth here's my assessment of what the power of the Fukushima #3 reactor building explosion may have been.

(snip)


Awesome work - thanks!

I've kinda lost track.....did TEPCO state this was a hydrogen explosion? Are you saying this was something more than that?
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posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:37 AM
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I figured this meeting and support personnel being made available would have happened from day one - but I guess not.

GE CEO to meet with Japan industry minister to offer support




The head of General Electric Co., the U.S. manufacturer of reactors at the crisis-hit Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, will hold talks on Monday with Japanese industry minister Banri Kaieda to offer support to Tokyo in tackling the ongoing emergency, Japanese officials said Friday. Jeffrey Immelt, chairman and chief executive officer of the U.S. conglomerate, will meet with the minister together with Hitachi Ltd. President Hiroaki Nakanishi. The Japanese firm is a supplier of reactors to Tokyo Electric Power Co., which operates the atomic power station crippled by the March 11 killer quake and tsunami. Immelt is also expected to visit the office of the operator known as TEPCO, the officials said. GE has said it will offer technical assistance to the Japanese government and TEPCO by mobilizing more than 1,000 engineers of Hitachi-GE Nuclear Energy Ltd., a joint venture of the two companies.


Kyodo




posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:38 AM
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Good morning, all.

reply to post by Regenstorm

So how did all the freon from the industries in the northern hemisphere get to the upper atmosphere of the southern hemisphere to form the hole in the ozone-layer?

They didn't. That ozone hole is a natural consequence of the earth's geometry. It made a good scapegoat for outlawing a very profitable product that was losing its patent protection so another one could be introduced, though.

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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Actually, it was discussed in some detail way way back toward the beginning of this thread.

Japan has earthquake sensors that give a few seconds warning. They respond to horizontal waves, which are faster and cause less damage than the vertical waves produced during a large seismic event. The blast at reactor #3, despite the high plume, was strong enough in a horizontal direction to be felt 30 km away and (I believe) to damage the reactor in #2 beside it.

That blast wave set off the earthquake sensors, which recorded the faux quake as being very close to the surface. This in turn set off a tsunami warning alert, although no tsunami existed. The alerts were canceled after a few minutes, when those monitoring realized it was a false alarm.

In this thread, there was utter chaos at that time; we had a massive explosion, an earthquake warning, and a tsunami warning happening simultaneously. As it turned out, we had an explosion and associated phenomena from that only. I think we filled up several pages each hour for a while there.


TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Nitrogen? Oh, now there's an idea... nitrogen and hydrogen together... what does that make? Oh, yes, ammonia! NH3!

Well, at least people will be able to smell the radiation coming... I thought Japan was way ahead of us in education... that does include chemistry and physics, right?

Right?

TheRedneck

edit on 4/1/2011 by TheRedneck because: NH3, not NH4... silly redneck...



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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Originally posted by DancedWithWolves

GE CEO to meet with Japan industry minister to offer support




US company seeks workers for Fukushima project


Bartlett Nuclear, a US based recruitment firm, is seeking qualified workers able to travel international who boast a family willing to let them work in highly radioactive locations, namely the Fukushima reactor zone.
Those who are willing and qualified have been promised above average pay for assisting with the nuclear crisis in Japan. In a time when jobs are scares in the US, the company said it has already received applications.

Bartlett Nuclear is expected to send around 10 people in the first group, with more to join at a later date. Each worker is expected to give at least one months worth of work. In addition to an above average salary and a trip to a radioactive Mecca, the US company promised to provide all equipment necessary to safeguard the workers’ health.

Sub-contractors for the General Electric-Hitachi US nuclear plant contacted Bartlett Nuclear specifically to recruit workers willing to come and help those in Japan.



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Can you say Mercenaries ???

Des



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by soundguy
2: I would not get as worked up as you are over the samples.


I'm getting pretty tired of being told how I should feel, how I should and should not react, and what the "truth is that I cannot see."

Write your little article, make your little excuses.

If you can't see the lies and cover ups in everything I documented there, G-d help you. But DO NOT tell me what to do and feel.

How about this: I think you need to get more worked up; your head is in the sand and you're shilling for the government. You need to feel suspicious and pay attention more.

How was that?



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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Thanks!


TEPCO stated it was a hydrogen explosion and as far as I'm aware they maintain this still. I suspect it might have been more than that, but frankly that's just a gut feeling and could well be wrong.

We (ATS members) need to do some more figuring. Namely, how many cubic metres of Hydrogen-Oxygen mix could have been in that building, within the range of values that would allow an explosion to occur? Having got that figure and then assuming "optimal" conditions for the mix to explode, we need to determine if that amount of explosive gas mix would be capable of producing a blast near to that of a MOAB in terms of its energy release.

If we find that "yes, the maximum energy yield is big enough", then we have to accept the hydrogen explosion story as feasible. If however the research shows "no, the maximum energy yield not big enough", then we have to think further.

Ideally, a member who's an industrial chemist would be one of the best to answer this for us. Any takers?

Mike



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
There is some concern that Japan may be in geological danger if another big quake hits. I think we need to keep on praying and asking for healing, for the nuclear to be repaired and halted and for the nation to be safe.


Correct. The 30 meter lateral and 5 meter vertical 'jump' of the plate and continued after shocks have relieved pressure on that portion of the plate... however that put MORE pressure on the other plate.

Thread on it here, by TrueAmerican who predicted this quake over a year ago (posted on ATS)

Critical New Quake Could Mean Impending Disaster For Japan
www.abovetopsecret.com...

On March 13th there was a separate quake (not aftershock) on the critical junction of plates. Japan has long known that this one would one day be 'the big one' The 9.1 was NOT the one they were waiting for.

Notice the quake is on one of the critical joints...



Two days later on March 15th there was another bigger critical quake.



The red lines are the plate joints



That red square is right beneath Mount Fuji

So far since that activity the area has not had any major shocks. Let's hope it stays that way. But since the whole area is still getting after shocks that are between 4.5 and 6.2 daily... well not a good thing...

This was yesterday
31-MAR-2011 07:15:30 38.95 142.02 6.2 39.6 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
www.iris.edu...

A while back I posted about the fish kills off Redondo Beach... Reason was a huge methane release from the fault that robbed the oxygen in the water and created a mud volcano...
walrus.wr.usgs.gov...



Redondo Beach fish die-off: Tests show oxygen levels at 'almost zero'
March 8, 2011
latimesblogs.latimes.com...

There have been a lot of bird and fish kills recently that could easily be explained by methane releases in large sudden bursts.. The BP Gulf spill had one odd characteristic... During the oil leak, methane was also released, in proportions that were much higher than they should normally be. While that accident was man made, the extraordinary release of methane is still a concern

It seems the earth is venting gas... and that release of pressure from under the rocks has got to make things move...

Now a few days after the fish kill we see a series of quakes in the Gulf of California

The release of this methane that killed off those fish formed a mud volcano over the fault line. Shortly after the fish kill a few miles away at the Gulf of California there were a series of quakes:

18-MAR-2011 01:44:12 25.42 -109.71 4.5 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
17-MAR-2011 10:52:42 25.32 -109.70 4.2 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
14-MAR-2011 01:43:49 25.44 -109.66 4.0 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
13-MAR-2011 16:07:34 25.29 -109.75 4.6 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
13-MAR-2011 05:54:25 25.28 -110.08 4.0 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
13-MAR-2011 02:50:11 25.44 -109.76 4.6 24.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
12-MAR-2011 21:58:39 25.31 -109.84 4.5 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
12-MAR-2011 20:16:58 25.42 -109.73 4.3 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
12-MAR-2011 17:54:18 25.51 -109.79 4.7 14.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
12-MAR-2011 17:13:01 25.48 -109.72 5.1 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
12-MAR-2011 14:11:04 25.40 -109.65 5.3 12.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
12-MAR-2011 13:26:02 25.35 -109.93 5.5 17.6 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
12-MAR-2011 12:03:42 25.26 -109.96 4.4 10.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA


Now today there were a few small ones of concern... this is the world view. The red circles are TODAY


www.iris.edu...

But the two that concern me are these



Wyoming 43.03, -110.34
Right near Gas Drilling in the Upper Green River Valley (WY)

(Yellowstone is at 44° 36′ 0″ N, 110° 30′ 0″ W for reference)



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Hi Redneck...

Yes, I know that it was discussed way back in the thread... I searched all the pages of posts and noted the (understandable) confusion and so forth, but no-one actually posted a direct quote or a link to what I was looking for. None that I could find, at least, and I spent a lot of hours hunting for one.

Thanks also for the info about the earthquake waves. Actually, you're preaching to the converted... A fair percentage of my posts here on ATS have been related to quakes and volcanism, reading and interpreting seismos and webicorders and so on... But yes, it's a fact that the Japanese have probably the best rapid warning system in the world in that regard.

Mike



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Oh, this nitrogen-injection idea just keeps getting better!

I was perusing the description of nitrogen interactions and saw the word iodine in there... seems that nitrogen triiodide is another possibility due to all that iodine we are seeing:

Nitrogen triiodide is the inorganic compound with the formula NI3. It is an extremely sensitive contact explosive: small quantities explode with a gunpowder-like snap when touched even lightly, releasing a purple cloud of iodine vapor. NI3 has a complex structural chemistry that is difficult to study because of the instability of the derivatives.


Niiiiiiice. Let's make the I-131 explosive...

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by burntheships
I did not see this posted yet...

Has this been addressed?


URGENT: Gov't eyes injecting nitrogen into reactor vessels to prevent blasts
TOKYO, April 1, Kyodo

The government and Tokyo Electric Power Co. are considering injecting nitrogen into containment vessels of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant's reactors to prevent hydrogen explosions, government sources said Friday.english.kyodonews.jp...



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This is a good idea but they may not be able to implement it successfully.

The secondary explosive at reactor four probably occurred in the empty reactor vessel, which was being inspected and had it's head removed. I also likely had the water level drained down so the could inspect the walls (do x-rays, search for faults) . When the zirc reaction took place in those 1400 fuel rods in the dry pool (the water had boiled away) the building quickly filled with hydrogen and the empty reactor vessel as well. Then a heat source ignited on the lower story, blowing out outside walls and fracturing the building frame. Then the reactor torched and tossed everything in it and above it into the air.

It was pretty dramatic but I can't find a video of #4 going 'boom' Can anyone help me out here?



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Moonbeams771
This is heartbreaking - I can't imagine what the people stuck in the evacuation zones are going through.


The mayor of Minamisoma, Fukushima Prefecture, a city subject to a government directive for its residents to stay indoors to avoid radioactive fallout from a nuclear plant crippled by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, has begun appealing to the world over the ''injustice'' of such an instruction.


Message from the Mayor of Minami-Soma City


...the people are literally drying up as if there are under starvation tactics.


Local officials are now fighting the threat of radiation, they have been working to protect the citizen in such a strain and exhaustion.

Some of them lost their family in the earthquake disaster, and some lost their houses.

They are the backbones of the lives of citizens. ...Please help us through.



Helping each other is what makes us human being.

I would like to ask for your continuous support. Thank you.


Kyodo News



edit on 1-4-2011 by Moonbeams771 because: Added source


This is an ATROCITY and a CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!!!!!

How could the authorities tell their citizens to 'remain indoors' when the radiation levels are gradually growing more harmful every exponential minute, verified by every concerned specialists around the world with no ties to energy cartels espacially to the corporation funded IAEA????!!!!

Now is the time for UN's head, Mr. Ban Ki Moon, who had redeemed himself over the Libya rescue, to step forward and demand the EVACUATION of our fellow human Japanese brothers and sisters.

They must be convinced to leave, espacially the old, the infirmed, women and children, but if they chosed to stay on their free will, then they must be prepared to live on their own. NO ONE MUST BE LEFT BEHIND! This is inhuman of what the jap authorities and the emperor is doing!!!!! No human needs to suffer, more so if not related to the containment of the reactors, please!

Japan is a rich nation, and can jolly well afford tents, food and water in southern Japan for the common folks to survive till the crisis is over. It's not and never should be about money, because money can always be earned back when calm returns if it takes decades later, even if Japan is not a resource rich nation. It's people are the best resource and MUST NOT be neglected or a tragedy of epic proportions will occur, if it had not already occured enough in Japan!

May Mr K. M. Ban and world leaders step in now before its too late.....



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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Don't misunderstand me Mike, I am all for reopening the investigation. I am coming to believe that the explosion was more than hydrogen myself... as a matter of fact, the talk recently about the incorrect timing between the blast and the recorded sound at the distance they were monitoring form made me think that perhaps we saw two almost simultaneous blasts... we heard the first and saw the second.

I'm going to try (emphasize try; I am pretty busy around here lately) and do some rough calcs to see how much hydrogen we would expect to be there due to venting, based on the available zircaloy cladding... maybe that will help.

Just wanted to throw in some of the initial observations and conclusions.

TheRedneck



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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This is good stuff, it's like a Unified Theory of all the wacky s##t thats been happening over the last year. It explains a lot. Thanks for condensing and sharing.



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Wouldn't the nitrogen become irradiated as well from being exposed to the output of the corium?

So , we'd have a highly unstable compound prone to exploding with very little juggling that was also radioactive?

great. Just great



posted on Apr, 1 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by JustMike
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However, as I mentioned, the "quake" would probably not be on a quake list as seismologists can recognize the seismograph signature is not exactly like the ones that earthquakes produce. (They are similar for the untrained eye but seismologists can usually spot them quite quickly.) So, although it would automatically be posted as a quake to begin with (because the auto-posting software does not tell the difference between explosions and real earthquakes), seismologists would probably delete it from the list after they have checked the waveforms. (Waveforms are the traces that the seismos make.) However, that's just "probably". It could be that in Japan they leave it in the data. The fact is, quake you posted that was recorded at 11:00 is very close to the right location and magnitude.

2011 3 14 11:00 50.6 37゜19.3'N 141゜15.5'E 27 3.0
(Fukushima Pref. Open sea) It doesn't matter that its location is shown slightly out to sea and a little south of Daiichi Fukushima; especially with smaller events where therefore less seismic stations can detect them, it's very difficult to get the location very precise. Minor errors in reading the P-wave and S-wave arrival times can make a major difference, in fact, because these waves travel so fast. The same applies to establishing quake depth. In fact, that is even more difficult in many cases. Anyway I don't want to write a treatise about how quakes are located. I think that quake would be the best candidate!


Do we get a raw feed of the detected seismological data already? Like for USGS? Or are there checks for explosions rather than earthquakes on a regular basis? The 11:00 earthquake that's been pinpointed here is listed from the source as the epicentre, not a pick-up of a seismological event elsewhere. There would be other stations recording to that precise minute and second as well but so far I haven't seen that data. As I said it's all there being investigated by the boffins as per the search web page, meaning we can't see it.




By the way, I am assuming the "3.0" is shindo.


It's listed under 'M' on the web page, but it doesn't define it, so could assume it was magnitude.





That quake at 11:11 is a bit too far away to the south, I think, and also I expect that the other one fits better for the timing. As fpr having two at the same time, if they are very close together in location, this can be reposting of data but with the updated location as more details come in to refine the position. It's also possible that there could simply be two quakes at the same time but in different places. I wouldn't be surprised by this either.


The Japanese Yahoo site usually gives precise data for earthquakes. Whenever an earthquake is felt people here log on to Yahoo and find out where it was and all necessary data. It's kind of soothing to feel like you've got at least some control, I guess.

For our 11:11 earthquake we have the following from Yahoo:

[I wanted to embed a picture here but I can't figure it out]

情報発表時刻 2011年3月14日 11時13分 published at (time)
発生時刻 2011年3月14日 11時11分ごろ time of occurrence
震源地 --- location of epicentre
緯度 --- latitude
経度 --- longitude
深さ ごく浅い [very shallow (superficial) ] depth
規模 --- scale (magnitude)

震度 3 this is the 'shindo' not magnitude
茨城県 茨城県北部 茨城県南部 Ibaraki Pref. north south area

source

Contrast that with the information from any of the others here

Not much info there then with our 11:11 if you compare it to all that rich pictorial data on Yahoo for other earthquakes. Granted, there are other occurrences in that data list at Yahoo with the same lack of data but they are few and far between. Our epicentre is 27 km deep at 11:00 off the coast of Fukushima, and 40 km deep at 11:11 (yes, it's an epicentre) placed off the coast of Ibaraki - south of Fukushima.

The 11:00 earthquake data is from the JMA. Yahoo have their feed from JMA, so this is where their 11:11 data comes from. The first 11:11 data I posted was for the strong motion database of the Building Research Institute. There's no 11:00 data on Yahoo, but what we can see there is the archived 'raw data' as Yahoo got it at the time of the earthquake from JMA so people could log on and see it, but we don't get it at JMA as we could normally could as it's under investigation.

At the BRI site you can view the wave form as picked up by the siesmological instruments. I can't say if that has an explosion signature or not - I can't read it!, but it's there to see

I know it could be as patchy as what these earthquake sensors pick up but,
although the 11:00 is closer to Fukushima with the 11:11 about 93 km south of the 11:00,

Now, I think this is significant. We could assume whichever as the true 'epicentre' because we'll have to assume without having a lot of other references to pin point it. As it is, the JMA epicentre data is there for 11:00 and 11:11, The 11:11 is there on Yahoo from JMA. Yahoo doesn't have an 11:00. So either Yahoo or JMA have missed something there. The JMA page listings are for epicentres only. The Yahoo info is usually visually rich.



Anyway, now I just need to check the figures for the TNT equivalent of a mag 3.5 event and see what it works out to.
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Perhaps you could calculate from both the 11:00 and 11:11. We can't be sure which time really, there's only a little distance between the two and who's to say the 'epicentres' (as they are listed as in the data, meaning the source of the occurrence, no?) so we're kind of stretching it anyway to say that these locations as epicentres are not the epicentres as listed but are just locations where something has been detected. Anyhow, you could look at it like this: at 11:00 on March 14th 2011, or three elevens at 2011-3-14 11:11 And would you put the kettle on whilst you're checking the TNT figures? I could do with a nice cup of tea right now.


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