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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 09:14 AM
Not completely dark.

This is the last image today, Wednesdag, 1900h. If you enhance the image there is one spot of light, exactly where the smoke is coming from on the previous image.

What is this light? Fire? A spotlight? Cerenkov light?

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 09:17 AM

Originally posted by Destinyone
You know that dead calm, heavy silence....that's the calm before the storm. We are experiencing the calm before the storm. I personally feel, tonight I can sit and relax for the first time in weeks. My mind is stuffed with a cornucopia of knowledge from this thread. I feel a little bit safer because of it. I feel sorry for those, that very soon, will be slammed by the storm...they are not prepared for it in any way. But, that is their choice.

I choose to learn as much as I can, as fast as I can...but, tonight I will rest a bit. Because, tomorrow, things will be worse...and the tomorrow after that, and so on...tonight I will listen to deep silence, yet I still hear faint screams in my ears from tomorrow.

edit on 03/28/2011 by Destinyone because: (no reason given)
I do love reading your posts, Des. They are informative, on task and the above one needs a standing ovation. My silence and calm is punctuated by the drone of power lines, Hydro stations, the din of traffic, and the incessant ringing of cell phones.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 09:34 AM
just seen on rt news that they are on about building some kind of building around the damaged vessel to contain the radiation leak?
its out of control in my opinion.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:00 AM
**** LISTEN UP *****

go to Google and type in

thats site colon http colon slash slash www dot

look at the second page at the pdfs translate them with google

For example
Stationary monitoring posts measuring temporary status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
(for 30 March 2011)

It gives Date South Main Office Dose rate West gate Dose rate

Really - download these as soon as possible.
also ones which start
thats http colon slash slash www dot

edit on 30-3-2011 by qmantoo because: made a link of something I did not want linked

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:17 AM
Last night after reading the Reuters 6-page report ( if you have been reading this thread and have not had a look I advise that you find the time ) a couple of things occurred to me:

One: the timing of mr. Masataka Shimizu 'hospitalization' seems to have coincided nicely with Reuter's information pointing to the disaster being almost ALL human error (something I'll get to in a minute) AND to this little gem:

Tepco Head Pressed to Quit After Costing Holders $26 Billion Tokyo Electric Power Co. President Masataka Shimizu is facing calls to quit after the crisis at the utility's Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear plant capped a tenure that has seen $26 billion wiped off the company's market value

and TWO:

Tepco has admitted almost certain core breach ( no doubt whatsoever of meltdown ) of #2 and "at least" partial meltdown of #1 and #3 (due to the vent design flaw of the mark one this means core containment breach at the vent at the very least since the first hydrogen discharges), Then the radioactive water those three men were subjected to was almost certainly contaminated with core material meaning they certainly received a fatal dose of radiation

Now this is where it gets a bit interesting if the fukushima accident IS THE FAULT OF THE NATURAL DISASTER OVERWHELMING ALL SAFETY PReCAUTIONS (crappy as they may have been), then the nuclear industry has received a crippling blow...but given their actions (and down right blatant concerted program of disinformation) this (to them) is something that requires the most rigorous attention and IF they can pin everything on HUMAN error then it's not the indusrtry as a whole that takes a hit but only guessed it...MR. Shimizu and TEPCO which is already lost anyway

If someone had picked up the big red bat-phone of the nuclear power Industry and told me , er sorry buddy someone has to go down with the ship and it's you , I might feel a little sick too...

Since this has HUGE ramifications for the future of our blue world, two things come into play as extremely important:

One: did the generator get swamped by sea-water or did it run out of gas from inattention?

TWo: how many of the other nuclear power plants in Japan are experiencing problems (we know for a fact the number is not zero)

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:29 AM
reply to post by mendel101

I noticed that last night. I tried cleaning my laptop monitor to no avail. The spot was till there. But there are other faint blue spots...

Possibly a dirty lens on the web cam?

Where are the photography experts?

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:37 AM
reply to post by elouina

Originally posted by elouina

Originally posted by nuumm
Found!!! TEPCO president Shimizu hospitalized in Tokyo for high blood pressure.

Actually it sounds more like a nervous breakdown.

Embattled Japanese power company chief hospitalized due to 'fatigue'

Tokyo (CNN) -- The president of the embattled utility that owns the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant has been hospitalized due to "fatigue and stress," the company said Wednesday.

Can you blame him? I'd probably have a nervous breakdown, too. I mean, the fate of the world may rest on his shoulders, history can be a harsh judge, and he knows that, too. There is almost nothing he can really do to fix the problem; it is beyond him. Additionally, I wonder if he has lost friends and loved ones in this catastrophe as well? Even corporate execs are (marginally) human.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:39 AM
reply to post by 00nunya00

I'm so tired of hearing about Denver, LOL. I wish it would stop making everyone freak out. It's getting so that when a real radiation alert happens, no one's going to listen because they've been wolf-cried to death over Denver.

That is my concern as well.

Look, I know this is a conspiracy site, and I realize that the big boogy-man named 'radiation' is about to jump out of the closet and getcha... but this situation is a bit different than most of those we have experienced before. There is a real concern over international radiation levels; I won't lie about that. So far the danger is contained for the most part, but close monitoring is called for.

That's why I downplay any reports that scream numbers without units or that seem to be panicky based on fluctuations. Before anyone starts 'bugging out' or flipping out, they need to sit down, look at the data available, and make a cool, calm, informed decision.

Have any of you ever come across critters crossing the road? I did the other night... I was driving along and this possum was standing in the middle of my lane. Possums have these long nasty sharp teeth that can do serious damage to a tire, so I slowed down and moved toward the other lane to miss it (road was deserted as usual). The possum saw me and started racing for the other lane. So I slow down some more and move back into my lane. The possum decides it's going the wrong way and comes back into my lane. Eventually, it managed to run right under my wheel.

No flat, thank goodness. But possum go bye-bye.

Now, was that possum suicidal? No, of course not. He was scared. He saw this big, noisy, mean-looking thing coming at him and he was desperate to avoid it. But in trying desperately to avoid it, the poor possum managed to hit it perfectly.

The possum didn't think. It just (over)reacted. And by over-reacting, it actually caused its own death. If it had stayed still, I would have missed it. Had it started moving and kept going, I would have missed it. But it just kept running for cover, back and forth, changing directions faster than I could try to avoid it.

The possum couldn't think. They are pretty dumb animals. But we can. Humans can think, and plan, and reason. That is our advantage. Use that advantage! Sometimes the appropriate course of action is to sit still for a moment and reason out what it is you need to do.

I am trying to help people on this thread understand some of the science behind the crisis, and I am being told, both here and privately, that it is helping. But there is something about this crisis you have to understand that is beyond nuclear physics and decay products and chain reactions...

Don't be roadkill. Be a human and don't panic.


posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:42 AM
reply to post by dvrt10

This is a free country and I will wear whatever I want. If I want to go grocery shopping in one, more power to me, it's my body, it's bad enough that I gotta breath in everyone's crap aside from radioactive fallout. I don't blame the guy. If sheeple get scared cuz of it then maybe we need to start teaching our kids how to survive and be responsible instead of raising government loving pussies that won't wear one because it looks funny; even when radioactive fallout does arrive unless it's in style they aren't wearing it. LOL. Personally I'm offended that you would take offense to people exercising what ought to be their own personal liberty.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:43 AM
I just thought I'd post the response i got from my complaint to the IAEA over their lack of intervention etc.. I have sent a reply requesting info on the fukushima daini plant and will update if I get any..(anyone in the UK also sick and tired of hearing about Milliband's announced wedding - cos that's far far more important than nuc-u-lar meltdown!!)

"Thank you for your frank views. In about two hours we will be able to release the latest details of the IAEA's radioactive monitoring, the potential health effects from radiological exposure and the status of the reactors. These briefings have been on-going since 15 March and you will find all of the findings released on our website at: , or, at: .

In addition, the presentations accompanying these briefings are available at: .

If I may, I would like to address a misunderstanding that often arises. The IAEA does not have a mandate to establish, enforce or police international or national nuclear safety legislation and regulations. In fact, the IAEA brings together the experts, scientists, regulators and government representatives to develop and approve the standards. These standards are then used to create the national legislation regulation. Nonetheless, each country has independent regulatory bodies responsible for safety-related regulations and their subsequent enforcement. Ultimately, each individual reactor operator is responsible for the safety of their facility.

In brief, I can provide a quick update on how the IAEA is helping Japan deal with this accident. The Japanese government on 15 March requested assistance from the IAEA in the areas of environmental monitoring and the effects of radiation on human health, asking for IAEA teams of experts to be sent to Japan to assist local experts. Two IAEA teams are on the ground conducting measurements, while the Incident and Emergency Centre provides a 24-hour communications liaison with governments around the world. The missions will draw on IAEA resources and may also involve Response and Assistance Network (RANET) and Member States' capabilities. This development follows the IAEA's offer to Japan of its 'Good Offices' - i.e., making available the Agency's direct support and coordination of international assistance.

Please note that all of the information that is contained in the updates that are posted on the website and on Facebook has been authenticated through official sources in the Japanese government. The IAEA's Incident and Emergency Centre operates a global emergency response system that is reliable and secure. Under this arrangement, each State's competent authorities receive, convey and provide authoritative information on incidents and emergencies. These competent authorities are directly engaged in managing the emergency response and nuclear safety.

The IAEA is committed to helping the Japanese people and asks you to lend your support to the Japanese people in this difficult period:

Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Accident Update (26 March, 10:30 UTC)
26 March 2011

Announcements, Featured

IAEA Sends Second and Third Teams to Japan to Aid Response to Nuclear Emergency

The IAEA has dispatched additional teams to Japan to assist in the response to the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant emergency.

On 24 March, a team of IAEA specialists travelled to Japan, where they will continue efforts to supplement Japan’s radiation monitoring efforts. Team members include worker radiation protection experts and safeguards department officials.

On 25 March, a joint IAEA/Food and Agriculture Organization team departed Vienna. The three-person team included the Head of the IAEA Food and Environmental Protection Laboratory, an IAEA soil scientist, and an FAO food safety specialist from FAO’s headquarters in Rome.

This food safety assessment team will provide advice and assistance on sampling and analytical strategies and will help interpret Japanese monitoring data."

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posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:47 AM
reply to post by Silverlok

Very good information. We all know there were issues at 4 nuclear sites.

Tokai, mi-damage-is-shown-at-the-dai-ni-power-plant-in-handout-satellite-image

Now, new reports are coming in that the Tokai nuclear power plant is showing signs of the damage by the earthquake as its cooling system has collapsed. As of yet, no additional reports of the damage have been obtained but it seems that the situation is still under control.

The Tokai nuclear power plant is located 120 km north of Tokyo in the Ibaraki prefecture.


Japan earthquake and tsunami: fire breaks out at nuclear plant in Onagawa
A fire broke out in the turbine building of Onagawa nuclear plant in Miyagi Prefecture, Japan, on Friday after an 8.9-magnitude earthquake triggered a huge tsunami.

and the two Fukishimas. (Insert this whole thread)..
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posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:49 AM
reply to post by checkmeout

The IAEA does not have a mandate to establish, enforce or police international or national nuclear safety legislation and regulations. In fact, the IAEA brings together the experts, scientists, regulators and government representatives to develop and approve the standards. These standards are then used to create the national legislation regulation. Nonetheless, each country has independent regulatory bodies responsible for safety-related regulations and their subsequent enforcement. Ultimately, each individual reactor operator is responsible for the safety of their facility.

Translation: Not my job.

Alternate translation: The buck stops over yonder; it picks up speed here.


posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:51 AM
reply to post by TheRedneck

ON the subject of close monitoring I wonder why NONE OF THE AMERICAN MILITARY BASES ARE PUTTING OUT NUMBERS FOR RADIATION DETECTION. I know we have a nuclear sub repair overhaul station near Seattle they should have some good equipment , and there's the base in San Diego, plus Fresno California has a huge air national guard repair base. And what about the nuclear plants around the nation , they should have some good detection equipment...I know these sources would be suspect given some political agendas but silence from those directions seems equal odd

And I agree 100% panic is for road kill, one should try to be as well informed as possible , no matter how unpleasant that information may seem, and watching the MSM has not brought confidence to any other position than the observation that we are considered commodities and consumers and little else to the kinds of people pulling the purse strings, and hence have a need to dig, this is not fear mongering this may be self-preservation

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:54 AM
reply to post by TheRedneck

Thanks Redneck, I am sure you hear it all the time, but your input here (on ATS and even more specifically this thread/ongoing disaster) is highly valued.

It is very hard for the majority of us to fully grasp the situation here, trying to learn how all this stuff works in the midst of the disaster and get a true understanding of what is going on. There is ample information playing the disaster down, and equally, if not more information out there just fear mongering and exaggerating. You have done a great job helping me (and probably many others) get a better understanding of what is going on, both in learning how this works and in deciphering what is accurate information and what is not.

Thanks for the work and keep it up! I always enjoy reading your updates/responses on this thread.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:57 AM
reply to post by TheRedneck

Yes - I also asked them to direct me to the international agency whose responsibility this is (there isn't one to my knowledge) but I thought I'd put them on the spot...

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 10:58 AM
reply to post by Silverlok

Make you realise if any of our so called advanced countries were ever bombed, by that I mean nuclear attack. The main message would be "every thing is under control" or "no risk to human health"...

No way would you be able to log on see the radiation or weather and move to another part of the country.

The only time you are going to be able to move is if you see a bright flash in the distance. You can then go in the opposite direction. The media/authorities will just black us out even if we have electricity and the net.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 11:00 AM

Originally posted by jjjtir
Advisory now readable with a more precise time.

Smoke briefly detected at Fukushima Daini nuclear power plant

Thank you - I've been wondering about the Daini plant all along. A couple of other plants took damage, and this one did have a problem right after the earthquake. I've been wondering if this plant and the one to the north are flying under the radar.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 11:01 AM
reply to post by Wookiep

So, it sounds to me like the radiation came from the air/rain. I doubt there is radioactive seaweed/water via ocean currents (from Japan?) "washing up" on the shores.

I think you are probably right. But the good news, at least in coastal areas, is that the rainwater quickly moves out to sea. That's where the radioactive seaweed is probably picking it up.

It does appear to me that a cloud of radioactive material, mostly I-131, has swept its way across the US. But it also appears that the intensity of that cloud was very very minor. Iodine is not very soluble in water, so it doesn't get washed out of the atmosphere all at once. Every time it rains a bit more comes out, until there is nothing left. I believe most of it washed out across the Pacific before it made it here, and more washed out on the shore area of the west coast where it was quickly washed out to sea.

This is now a situation that does deem monitoring, but I am sure there are agencies doing so. After all, believe it or not, those people in those agencies have families as well, and they do employ some very good experts. Radiation doesn't care whether you are a major power or a poor dirt farmer; TPTB are just as vulnerable to this as anyone.

My gut has been right on this so far, and it is telling me we'll be fine over here across the pond.


posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 11:10 AM

Originally posted by JohnnyWarbucks
This article explains the technical aspects that prevent this crisis from becoming another Chernobyl and debunks much of the media sensationalism going on.

Why Fukushima Isn't Like Chernobyl

Unfortunately, certain interested parties have been employing sensationalist rhetoric, inaccuracies, and outright hoaxes regarding Fukushima. I refuse to dignify with comments SMS hoaxes in the Philippines as well as a map, purportedly from Australia, predicting lethal dose rates affecting the western coast of the United States. Nonsense—that’s all these are.

But then there’s Congressman Ed Markey of Massachusetts who warned of ‘another Chernobyl’ and predicted ‘the same thing could happen here (the United States),’ and then proceeded to call for an immediate suspension of licensing procedures for a new generation safer reactor design. I find that repugnant.

Michio Kaku, a theoretical physicist from the City College of New York who studies string theory, is also out of his depth when it comes to nuclear reactors. He’s not a nuclear engineer, and yet that hasn’t stopped him making borderline hysterical statements during interviews. Kaku claimed, for example, that a ‘China Syndrome’ was possible, that the ‘(Chernobyl) vessel and roof blew out simultaneously’—factually incorrect on both counts: Chernobyl-type RBMK reactors have no reactor pressure vessel.

edit on 30-3-2011 by JohnnyWarbucks because: (no reason given)

That article wasn't nearly as good at dispelling things as it ought to be.

A snotty response on how the two reactor types are different isn't actually a good comparison as to why the Dalichi plant is less problematic.

I feel like I just read slight of hand. One Chernobyl. Six Dalichi. Even if he's right, the magnitude of what this plant has to work with makes the comparison fall apart. Is he really saying that 4 reactors and a ton of spent fuel rods encased in a different structure that is FAILING are somehow less concerning than one reactor with way less fuel on site?

I don't doubt what he's said is true. It just doesn't actually address anything pertinent.

posted on Mar, 30 2011 @ 11:16 AM
A few posts, pages, days, hours(?) back Zorgon posted a series of stills from the deadly "squid"

if you notice in the last two frames (13 and 14 I think) :

You can see something obviously dense and massive falling rapidly out of the plume , this certainly appears to be giving off Cherenkov radiation , based on the size and shape this could be a spent fuel pool,

The reason I mention it is that in the early morning photo (today) it might beCherenkov radiation around the plant ( the water vapor in the air would have to be fairly dense) and it does look a little blue , in fact compare it to the excellent blue glow reactor picture at wiki: LInk to glow

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