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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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The point is surely that the nuclear industry can no longer say well we've engineered these things to be safe to so-and-so tollerances, because the fundamental issue is IF something really powerful hits it, could it lead to a situation where it will leak out real nasties - and if the answer = yes then I think it will be increasingly difficult to justify what will anyway become a more expensive way of generating energy in the wake of the safety measures already implied as coming down the pipeline from this incident?


There will never be 100% safety on anything. One thing we learned in OSHA safey standards class is you can only minimize the risks involved. There is no way to possibly eliminate all of the risks involved in anything. If you believe this then you are fooling yourself. (not necessarily talking directly to you in this sentence, or trying to be a smarta**). We have to take every possible step to minimize these risks and be ready for any risk not yet forseen.

As for the asteroid. It is a possibility, but we cannot be fearful of an object that may or may not target such an installation. If a comet or asteroid were to hit a nuclear powerplant that would be bad. But we cannot let fear run our lives, just be prepared.




posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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Originally posted by Wertwog

Originally posted by monica86
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and a couple of incidents involving Excessive Insertion of the Control Rods resulting in leakage from the valve seat area at our own favourite n.3

www2.jnes.go.jp...
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Ya. "Excessive Insertion" has happened to me and it's usually pretty painful.


Answer: "Excessive Insertion". Carson opens envelope, "A wife who's husband O.D. on Viagra".



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by DancedWithWolves

March 25: Workers, who stepped into radiation-contaminated water during Thursday's operation at the Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear plant, are shielded with tarps before receiving decontamination treatment at a hospital in Fukushima, northeastern Japan.



Emphasis added.


The tarp shielding was explained last night as normal by a Japanese person on line. It is to afford privacy to the workers from the cameras. It is common practice in Japan


The question was not about the tarp for privacy. The question was the lack of adequate protective clothing by almost all the workers "outside" the tarp. News sources say the injured workers were shielded with tarps before receiving decontamination. BEFORE.

In other words, they were radioactive in this photo and everyone else is not protected. Who runs a nuclear crisis like this? The photo illustrates how out of control the situation really is for worker safety if this is their protective protocol.



Identities are honestly the last thing on the list that these folks should be worried about. Exposure to radiation seems more likely. They are not protected in this photo and many other photos of the tarp exit. That was our concern. These poor workers. I'd say it's time for Undercover Boss to film a live episode at this plant. Let them live the worker's lives through some of this and then maybe set some new standards for "acceptable levels" of risk.

Thanks for all the great input in this thread from so many. There's more information and analysis here than anywhere else on the web it seems.

Peace.
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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FOCUS: Nuclear plant workers have option to quit but not many doing so

english.kyodonews.jp...



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by curioustype

I just wonder whether in the light of this incident, and what has been learnt about seismology, geology, tsunamis, and other natural and man-made hazards in say the past 40 years, the nuclear industry can really assume that it is enough to 100% rule out admittedly rare (this was meant to be a once in a millenium event for instance) yet powerful events that could destabilise or open ANY nuclear plant or storage facility, e.g. in the wake of a meteorite impact (which apart from explosive forces could also create tsunamis ANYWHERE in the oceans...


Not to mention a fully fueled, enhanced with explosives, jumbo-jetliner used by 'terrorists' funded as a proxy for US and western enemies being flown into a nose dive at any major nuclear reactor in the USA.

Not only would you have a big explosion, but you could possibly eject tons of radioactive materials into the atmosphere. don't underestimate the potential for this kind of planned attack taking place somewhere in the future.

100 tons of MOX fuel could be like nuclear annihilation without the nukes.


More on MOX...

www.scientificamerican.com...


But, as with most issues relating to nuclear energy, the use of MOX is a source of some controversy. Proponents say that burning MOX in nuclear reactors is a sensible way to dispose of weapons-grade plutonium from Cold War nuclear stockpiles, as the U.S. plans to do with 34 metric tons of surplus plutonium at its planned Mixed Oxide Fuel Fabrication Facility (MFFF) in South Carolina. (Some countries also reprocess spent nuclear power plant fuel to produce MOX.) Critics say that MOX is riskier than standard fuel and that there are better ways to dispose of excess plutonium.

"I think it's a magnificent solution," says David Jones, senior vice president for the back-end business group at Areva, a Paris-based nuclear fuel manufacturer with U.S. headquarters in Bethesda, Md. Areva is half of a partnership that is the prime contractor to the U.S. Department of Energy (DoE) on the $5-billion MFFF project. "You're taking something that was designed to be dangerous, and you're turning it into something that benefits society," Jones says.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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Originally posted by okiecowboy
And speaking of the DIY nuclear reactor....

I don't want to live next door to this guy

Extreme DIY


The guy lives in Brooklyn - a nuclear disaster would be an improvement!


I've been following this thread for a while and just want to say thanks to all you super fine minds. I don't understand alot of it - but I know it's not good and have been curious since I first saw the condition of those reactors.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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Surely part of being ready for the risk as yet unforeseen is not setting up such a potentially harmful set of volatile and toxic substances that require uninterrupted high-level and expensive care and monitoring, in a world in which the fortunes of those people expected to maintain the facilities is so clearly vulnerable to so many things.

I mean, what if a whole swathe of facilities, say in the USA, China or France, were afflicted or surrounded by some kind of bio-hazard (virus, WMD?) or war? The event may not even last that long, but would the world be able to cope or respond to multiple simultaneous emergencies?

If someone could convince me that these plants could be designed as self-contained totally automated units that could operate or shut down to a permanently stable and safe state in the event of being rapidly isolated from human contact, or sustained/permanent loss of essential services (power/water...) I remain unconvinced, sorry.

I just get a sense that, after Fukishima, people will feel really ill-at-ease with the way in which nuclear power has the potential to so devastatingly make a bad situation worse, impinge on recovery from certain situations, create a global health issue from a regional disaster, or security issue?



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:50 PM
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Originally posted by Erasurehead

Originally posted by crazydaisy
www.nytimes.com...


It appears Japan is now asking people to evacuate
further away from the reactors.


Too bad its coming about 10 days late, Those people should have been out of there already.
In my opinion the lack of information and contant downplaying of this incident by TEPCO has been criminal. Their actions, or lack of action, will end up costing thousands of lives over the next several years. When the US recommended an 80km evacuation zone you knew it was much worse than they were saying.



The government officials there are still three neurons short of retarded. They should be evacuating Tokyo. That's 160 miles from the plant? If they have already found Caeseum-137 in Tokyo that means that the contamination is far more widespread than they hope.

They don't give two turds about their people.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 07:58 PM
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Something really bad must be up in Japan as the kind of silence across teh news nets is really ominous. I bet we have some deaths (from those unsheilded workers) , confirmation of core breach, and plutonium release on the horizon.


As of today, Fukushima radiation was recorded at 24 different stations of the Authority. New detections relate to the station in Stockholm, Sweden as well as stations in the European part of Russia. in extremely dilute form - - For the radiation cloud is already running almost around the entire northern hemisphere. Simulations of the ZAMG show very clearly the spread of the last two weeks. The model has worked generally very satisfactory.


linakge







Decontamination (Nicholas A. Groesch, Reuters / March 22, 2011) Sailors aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan conduct scrub down the flight deck to remove potential radiation contamination while operating off the coast of Japan to provide humanitarian assistance.





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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Am I the only one that tastes metal on the tip of my tongue. I'm on the north west-coast of North America. I'm not kidding, it was rainy today here in Vancouver and I was outside all day. Right now I am at home and feel a buzzing feeling on the tip of my tongue and it tastes like metal..
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:03 PM
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Originally posted by tomjones69
Am I the only one that tastes metal on the tip of my tongue. I'm on the north west-coast of North America.


Uh Oh, you really, REALLY need to get your water pipes checked for rust as soon as possible.




posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:07 PM
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Yeah something seems more wrong today, besides the obvious. I've been looking at this news site for days and today it won't play. I checked 3 times morning and tonight: NHK English stream



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
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Yeah something seems more wrong today, besides the obvious. I've been looking at this news site for days and today it won't play. I checked 3 times morning and tonight: NHK English stream



Try this link NHK English World



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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I agree something must be happening.
Both my feeds on Kyodo and NHK are not streaming.
I pray everyone is ok over there.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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Originally posted by Beavis


Stress Corrosion Cracking (SCC)Under the combined effects of stress and certain corrosive environments stainless steels can be subject to this very rapid and severe form of corrosion. The stresses must be tensile and can result from loads applied in service, or stresses set up by the type of assembly e.g. interference fits of pins in holes, or from residual stresses resulting from the method of fabrication such as cold working. The most damaging environment is a solution of chlorides in water such as sea water, particularly at elevated temperatures. As a consequence stainless steels are limited in their application for holding hot waters (above about 50°C) containing even trace amounts of chlorides (more than a few parts per million). This form of corrosion is only applicable to the austenitic group of steels and is related to the nickel content. Grade 316 is not significantly more resistant to SCC than is 304.

S.S.


Did nobody tell them? I mean who is running this dog & pony show? Did nobody get on the blower and ask some experts if seawater was a good idea?

More likely they are working with the experts and USAID (CIA) and rolled out the standard IAEA disinfo kit (developed during Chernobyl) while buying time putting on a "water show" they knew would jeopardize lives in the countryside until they can get the evac plans ready for Toyko. Standard issue media deflection tactics and the whole playbook, only they haven't adapted to the speed of social media and info tech yet so you're seeing gaps.
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posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:10 PM
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click on that weird-ass link under teh pic I posted of the world above it has some good aminations of "the cloud"



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Radiation burns are like a sunburn???


[11:34 a.m. ET Friday, 12:34 a.m. Saturday in Tokyo] Three men working near the No. 3 reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant Thursday stepped into water that had 10,000 times the amount of radiation typical for a nuclear plant, a Japanese government official said Friday, but nuclear experts said the burns suffered by the workers may not amount to much more than a sunburn.


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Well that just sounds like going to the beach is more dangerous than standing next to these reactors and the little benign puddles of water on the floor. Who would have thought that? I think I'll wait for the ATS nuclear commentators to weigh in here...so is this no big deal...rub a little aloe on it maybe and you are good to go?



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by leisas4
I agree something must be happening.
Both my feeds on Kyodo and NHK are not streaming.
I pray everyone is ok over there.


I also have an ominous feeling about this. I hope we are wrong.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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RUHT ROHH!!!!!!

Looks like you let the cat out of the bag, and it has been disavowed.


404. That’s an error.
The requested URL /display.php?imgPath=/pict/aktuell/20110325_Reanalyse-I131-Bild5_gr.jpg&imgTitle=Radioaktivit%26auml%3Bt+von+Fukushima+15+Tage+nach+Beginn+des+Unfalle s+(Prognose)&imgSource=%26copy%3B+ZAMG&imgWidth=842&imgHeight=596 was not found on this server. That’s all we know.



posted on Mar, 25 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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www.zerohedge.com...

this page has great info and real time radiation monitoring from lots of places, including a google earth live view
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