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reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 01:08 PM by Wakkierob
If This is Truereply to post by welshbeliever



Then you'll all get out of there and don't go back for at least 10yrs or everyone will turn into aliens and bodies will be deformed and reformed as long as there is enough radiation in the air no one is safe. Once exposure has taken place your better off dead because any chance of giving birth is thrown out the window.




reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 01:13 PM by EnhancedInterrogator
Below are the latest press-releases by Tepco regarding current events. I think this helps clarify the situation a little bit, in terms of what reactors are or are not having issues, etc.

Tepco Press Releases (English Page)

Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of Midnight, local time)

Impact to TEPCO's Facilities due to Miyagiken-Oki Earthquake (as of 2AM, local time)

There are TWO "Fukushima" sites. These are referred to as:

  1. "Fukushima I" or "Fukushima Daiichi" - which has six reactors. This is the site reporting coolant system issues.
  2. "Fukushima II" or "Fukushima Daini" - which has four reactors.

The "Fukushima Daiichi" site, which is also referred to in some circles as the "Fukushima I" site, has Six reactor's. Two of those reactors (#5 and #6) had already been shut-down for unrelated maintenance/inspection before the quake. The other four reactors (#1 through #4) were shut-down because of the quake.

Of the four reactors shut-down because of the quake, two reactors (#1 and #2) are apparently still a concern, based on these quotes from one of the press releases above:

Unit 1 (shut down due to earthquake) - Reactor was shut down and nuclear steam is cooled by the isolation condenser. - Currently, there is a possibility of a release of radioactive materials due to decrease in reactor water level. Therefore, the national government has instructed evacuation for those local residents within 3km radius of the periphery and indoor standby for those local residents between 3km and 10km radius of the periphery.


Unit 2 (shut down due to earthquake) - Reactor was shut down and although nuclear steam had been cooled by the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling system, the current operating status is unclear. However, reactor coolant level can be monitored by a temporary power supply and the level is stable. - Currently, there is a possibility of a release of radioactive materials due to decrease in reactor water level. Therefore, the national government has instructed evacuation for those local residents within 3km radius of the periphery and indoor standby for those local residents between 3km and 10km radius of the periphery.


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reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 01:15 PM by EnhancedInterrogator
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I believe there was also a fire (since put out) at one of the nuclear power plants also, but not the reactor building - and not at the site that is reporting coolant issues.



reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 01:18 PM by 1curious1
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Drudge Report is reporting that they will be releasing potentially radioactive steam to relief pressure.

I think they are dealing in unknown's over there and any "confirmation that everything is okay" is just wishful thinking which may or may not turn out to be true...


reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 01:34 PM by EnhancedInterrogator
This may be dating myself, but this reminds me a lot of the Three Mile Island Accident from the late 1970's. I grew-up about 110 miles from TMI. So, when that happened it was kind of big deal.
  • First, the story was "everything is ok, nothing to see here."
  • Then it was, "a coolant problem, but it's under control".
  • Then it was, "we might have to release a small amount of 'radioactive material' (gas)".
  • Then (a couple of decades later, when the reactor remains could be inspected), we found out they were a lot closer to a Nuclear Melt-Down / China Syndrome than even the plant operator's thought.

Very scary stuff indeed.


reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 01:51 PM by EnhancedInterrogator
Originally posted by crazydaisy
If a nuclear castrotophe occurs in just one reactor what amount of distance would the damage and radiation cover. How far could the winds carry the radiation. Anyone have an idea on this.


I am by no means an expert, but my understanding is that there are several possible issues.

First, if pressure is building in the containment vessel, they will have to "vent" (release) the gases building up in there. This might not have a permanent impact on the surrounding area, but people breathing-in or otherwise being exposed to the radioactive material (if only on the short-term before it disperses) would be deadly. That's why the evacuation of the immediate area (currently 3-kilometer radius)

Second, if the reactor(s) can not be properly cooled, that end-event is potentially a
Nuclear Melt-Down event. In this scenario, the nuclear fuel continues to heat-up, and essentially "burns" or "melts" it's way out the bottom of both the inner "containment vessel" and outer "reactor building". This is would be catastrophic. As the fuel burns it's way into the surrounding rock or soil, it will likely encounter ground-water (especially true when reactor's are located near rivers or ocean-side areas - which always seems to be case). When it does, that ground-water could become super-heated - resulting in a mixture of super-heated water/steam (also carrying other radioactive material from the melt-down) bursting-out of the ground as steam-vents or boiling-out into watersheds. The net effect would be less like a nuclear bomb, and more like a terrorist-delivered "dirty-bomb" - but far worse. The contamination would be wide-spread, with really no way to contain it. The water systems and/or wind could carry the contamination for indeterminate distances. Obviously, if the authorities had any reason to believe they were getting close to a melt-down, there would be a far greater area to be evacuated (50+ mile radius?).

Again, I am not an expert in this field. Maybe someone with experience in this field, or with knowledge of what the radius of destruction from Chernobyl who can jump in with better details. I believe that Chernobyl still has a 30 kilometer (19 mile) "exclusion zone" around it. But, it's widely believed there are impacts way outside that zone. That's just the area nobody is allowed back into without special permission from the government.
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reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 01:52 PM by Cygnis
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Yea, also reminds me of Chernobyl.

Which wasn't as powerful as those plants over there in Japan. The horror that would be released from any of those three sites would be huge.

Chernobyl link

/shudder


reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 02:12 PM by Larryman
Originally posted by EnhancedInterrogator
This may be dating myself, but this reminds me a lot of the
Three Mile Island Accident from the late 1970's. I grew-up about 110 miles from TMI. So, when that happened it was kind of big deal.
  • First, the story was "everything is ok, nothing to see here."
  • Then it was, "a coolant problem, but it's under control".
  • Then it was, "we might have to release a small amount of 'radioactive material' (gas)".
  • Then (a couple of decades later, when the reactor remains could be inspected), we found out they were a lot closer to a Nuclear Melt-Down / China Syndrome than even the plant operator's thought.

Very scary stuff indeed.


Yes... I can date myself with those memories also.


reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 02:21 PM by EnhancedInterrogator
Originally posted by Larryman
Yes... I can date myself with those memories also.

You know, I really didn't appreciate
Jimmy Carter so much at that time. But, in hindsight, I really do feel like he was the right man, in the right place at the right time (at least in regards to TMI). It apparently was not the first nuclear accident he was involved in resolving. Here's a small snippet (regarding the Chalk-River Nuclear Accident):
Carter was based in Schenectady, New York, and working on the nuclear propulsion system for the Seawolf submarine when he was ordered to Chalk River, joining other Canadian and American service personnel. Once they arrived, Carter's team used a model of the reactor to practice the steps necessary to disassemble the reactor and seal it off. Donning protective gear, each team member was lowered individually into the reactor. Staying for only a few seconds at a time to minimize exposure to radiation, each individual, including Carter, used hand tools to loosen bolts, remove nuts and take the other steps necessary to complete the disassembly process.

Sorry, don't mean to take this off-topic. And certainly don't want to get into a political argument about a former President's term. I just thought that piece was very relevant to what happened during that time (of the TMI accident), and how today's events really make me look back at it.
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reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 02:41 PM by yourtweeter
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They had to shut it down to make there is no leak. How long did you followed live news buddy ?!?



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reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 02:50 PM by EnhancedInterrogator
I don't think this is posted already ...
.. it's from the
Union of Concerned Scientists

Nuclear Crisis in Japan: What We Know
Bloomberg News reported that the battery life for the RCIC system is eight hours. This means that the batteries would have been depleted before 10 a.m. EST today. It is unclear if this report is accurate, since it suggests that several hours have elapsed without any core cooling. Bloomberg also reported that Japan had secured six backup batteries and planned to transport them to the site, possibly by military helicopter. It is unclear how long this operation would take.

Note-1: Emphasis in quote added by poster (i.e me)
Note-2: Don't confuse them with the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (the "doomsday clock" people)
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reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 03:26 PM by EnhancedInterrogator
More press releases (recently) on the Tepco web-site ...

Implementation of Measures to Reduce the Pressure of Reactor Containment Vessel of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station
Today at approximately 2:46PM, turbines and reactors of Tokyo Electric Power Company's Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station Unit 1 (Boiling Water Reactor, rated output 460 Megawatts) and Units 2 and 3 (Boiling Water Reactor, Rated Output 784 Megawatts) that had been operating at rated power automatically shutdown due to the Tohoku-Chihou-Taiheiyou-Oki Earthquake. (already announced)
At this moment, we have decided to implement measures to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessel for those units that cannot confirm certain level of water injection by the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System, in order to fully secure safety.

Impact to TEPCO's Facilities due to Miyagiken-Oki Earthquake (as of 4AM, local time)
*Evacuation has been instructed by the national government to the local residents within 3 km radius of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station *We have decided to implement measures to reduce the pressure of the reactor containment vessel for those units that cannot confirm certain level of water injection by the Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System, in order to fully secure safety.

Yeah, this sounds bad (still). "Cannot confirm" is double-speak for "Do not know".
Note: Again, emphasis within the quotes added by the poster (i.e. me).
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reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 03:42 PM by Niall197
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So the reactor core may (or may not) have been exposed ... in which case the gases they're about to vent may (or may not) be outrageously radioactive. If they don't know the level of coolant present, what else don't they know ?

As this gas (steam ?) is produced, it could back up into the coolant system itself, causing pockets ... a bit like an air block in a domestic water pipe. And most of us know how badly an air pocket can affect our tap water supply. So those gas pockets might give false readings as to the amount of coolant in the system ... so I suppose we should recognise that & try to understand the problems the engineers are facing. They just don't know.

But those gas pockets will also render the coolant system unworkable, so I'm guessing that the supplies of coolant, recently flown in, are required in case they need to inject it directly into the reactor core itself, to quench any fire or excess temperatures.

I'm just guessing, tbh. The lack of info here is deeply troubling.
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