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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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They are lower...

Plus a screenshot is subjective. Clicking your link shows it in the 50s... sometimes 60s.
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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I would suggest using this site to monitor radiation in the US cdxnode64.epa.gov...

You can use it alongside www.radiationnetwork.com...
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Um...I think they are lying to this reporter...or they somehow raised the level of "safe" exposure. Methinks he's done for.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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Originally posted by windwaker
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Um...I think they are lying to this reporter...or they somehow raised the level of "safe" exposure. Methinks he's done for.


Might just be surface contamination. If he washes and throws away his clothes it could be alright but if he had internal exposure (likely given he was sitting around in his clothes for a while and might have got some on his hands, ate or drank, or happened to breathe in some of the particulates)....? What gets me is why wasn't he decontaminated on the spot? WTH?



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:55 PM
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Not yet, I do agree. But no one can say it won't hit here, because for that, you need to know how much there will be. No one knows how much there will be yet, because we've never dealt with a massive MOX event like this. Any model in the media at this point is based on non-MOX events and is a best case scenario besides.

This is from 11 years ago:


The main results from the calculations are shown in table 1. In short, exposure doses resulting from an accident at a pluthermal reactor would be twice those produced by an accident at a uranium reactor. A given exposure dose would be received by residents over twice the distance. The overall affected area would be four times larger. When fatalities by cancer from an accident at a pluthermal reactor is calculated with an assumption that Tokyo was downwind, the number of cancer fatalities would increase from 0.4 million in the case of an accident at a uranium reactor to 10.6 million (See table 2). In view of such risks, MOX utilization is simply too dangerous.


CNIC on MOX from 2000

Even if we don't get direct fallout, if all that exposed fuel goes critical, it WILL change life as we know it all over the world. We're talking about hundreds of times more radioactivity than a nuclear bomb can produce. It will be in the water and the food even if it isn't in the air. And Japan as we know it is over, the global economic impact of which is unknowable but surely severe. Anyone who thinks it's possible to predict that everything is going to be fine at this point just doesn't have all the information.

I agree it's not there at this time, though, and I live in Northern California, so if there were reason to panic right now I'd definitely be seizing on it. But the truth is that if it does become powerful enough to cross 5000 miles to CA in harmful doses, it's going to necessarily be powerful enough hit the whole country, so fallout-wise there's really nowhere to flee, nothing to be done but wait and see.
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:57 PM
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I'm getting a 500 error... bad Java.

TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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What would happen if a reactor like this literally fell into the ocean? As in it being in the same location but, the chunk of land it was on literally broke off and the whole reactor fell into the ocean, in the process of fissioning?

Sorry, was just wondering if the could sink the plant instead of entomb it.

Pred...



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:04 PM
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I am not sure but is the news being distributed differently depending on which nation you belong to?

In Norway we know this for a fact:

"Naoto Kan" denied the workers to leave the power plant. But that foreign media report that the worker are voluntary doing this dangerous work by their own free will, and portraying them as being heroes?

This is not the case by Norwagian media. In Norway its portrayed as a death sentence.


Japans regjering satte foten ned for en full evakuering av arbeidere fra det ulykkesrammede atomkraftverket Fukushima Daiichi, skriver avisa Mainichi Shimbun.



– Det er som om han sa «Fortsett til dere blir utsatt for stråling og dør», sier en tjenestemann med forbindelser til TEPCO ifølge avisa.


What the last external text say is that:

Its like he said: keep on working until you are affected by the radiation and die.

To us in Norway this is like saying that the government has taken full control over the peoples lives who are employed by TEPCO.

Another thing that has been with held from the public is the 5 TEPCO workers who died yesturday.

We also know that the police and the army have been given restrictions to what levels of radiation they are allowed to work under. While TEPCO workers have been forced to monitor the gauges and indicators at the power plant that are still working, regardless of radiation exposure.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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I posted this earlier today on another thread........

Radiation Network Message


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Update: 3/18/11, 6:00 A.M.

***Radiation Levels - As of this morning, background radiation levels from our stations on the West Coast still look pretty normal, when disregarding the randomness of background radiation in the first place. As an indication of foreign radiation moving into the environment, such as a gamma laden cloud, keep on the lookout for a sustained increase and trend in background levels over time, to where multiple stations start averaging first in the 40's, the 50's, and 60's to 100 CPM range. Keep in mind that spikes and troughs in readings for any one minute are not relevant - only average readings at a sustained rate are meaningful.

You have responded! - We asked you to set up your own Monitoring Station, and the response has been overwhelming, and you are already seeing new Stations popping up on the map. Unfortunately, we have sold out of Geiger Counters for the time being, and that is now the limiting factor. Until we are re-supplied, I can tell you that there are already tens of thousands of compatible Geiger counters already out in the marketplace, from acquisitions over the last 20 years, that are in the hands of your local Fire Departments, or collecting dust in drawers in homes, businesses, and universities. So review again the compatible models listed on the Map page, and if you know someone in that category, see if they can't put those detectors to work. We can supply the required Software and Data Cables to "plug in" to the Network.

Media Coverage - Our work and your interest is paying off. Just in the last two days, we have seen media coverage from, and done interviews with everyone from the New York Times to Fox News, along with a myriad of talk shows, alternative media, local press, and TV network affiliates. At a time when our government continues to assure of us of no radiation danger, yet fails to follow that up with actual collection data, the media is noticing that our network is one of the few resources where concerned Americans can obtain data on actual radiation levels in at least some locations in the US.

Alert Level - You are an astute group! A few of you already noticed that we recently lowered the Alert Level for the Map from 130 to 100 CPM. It was probably too high in the first place. The optimal setting for a Radiation Alert is one that is not so low as to invite false alerts from momentary spikes in radiation, yet not so high as to defeat its original purpose.

Stations disappeared - Why did the Monitoring Stations in NM and TX disappear, you ask? It's like the TV in your family room - it's always there, but where some people watch TV all day long, others turn it off for awhile. We can't control that - running a radiation Monitoring Station on our Network is as voluntary as watching TV - nothing sinister about it.

High readings in CO - The Radiation levels on the stations in Colorado are higher on average than the others because some are at elevations as high as 8,000 to 9,000 feet, where there is less atmospheric shielding from the cosmic rays that make up most of what we call the background radiation count. As an example, I have taken a Geiger Counter on a passenger plane flight and recorded readings up to 800 CPM at 40,000 feet! So those high readings are quite normal for certain Colorado stations.

Bakersfield - Due to some confusing news coverage, a report and/or rumor circulated that one of the Monitoring Stations on our Network recorded a spike or reading of 222, or something like that (I don't know what unit of measurement was supposed to accompany that number.) Anyway, the story is false. This network has never operated a station in Bakersfield. Because of the sensitivity of the subject matter, i.e. potential radiation danger, we must caution ourselves to deal strictly in fact, and resist the rumor mill. To illustrate the point, I know for a fact that our Monitoring Station in Vancouver, BC just recorded a reading of 14 CPM in the last minute. That is a fact, not speculation, not rumor. If someone is claiming this or that, ask them to back it up.

Units of Measurement - It is confusing - Rems, Rads, Roentgens, Sieverts, CPM, mili, micro... In the US, the standard unit to quantify dosage is the Roentgen, or more particularly, usually milli-Roentgens per hour, abbreviated as mR/hr, or micro-Roentgens per hour, written as uR/hr.
Meanwhile, in Japan and most other countries, the common unit is the Sievert, and in practice usually micro-Sieverts per hour, written as uSv/hr. It is easy to convert - 1 mR/hr equates to 10 uSv/hr, so a reading out of Japan of 500 uSv/hr would equal 50 mR/hr - just divide by 10. Some people use the term Rads or Rems as substitutes for Roentgens, and for all intents and purposes, they are interchangeable, although not scientifically correct.

A cautionary note - because of the large array of radiation units, when stating a reading, it is meaningless, dangerous, and irresponsible to give just the number - always follow that number with the corresponding unit of measurement - not doing so breeds wild rumors.

But the Radiation Map uses CPM - why? Well, because CPM, or Counts per Minute, corresponds directly to the output of the compatible Geiger Counters, and CPM levels are also user-friendly integral numbers. Problem is, some Geiger counters, particularly those that use the "pancake" Geiger-Mueller tubes, are more efficient than others and detect a higher count rate than standard tubed models - up to 3 times, which also explains why some stations on the Map show higher levels than others. We are going to correct that in future software versions, and adopt the uR/hr standard. But the CPM unit serves us for now, and as it turns out, the CPM readings for standard tubed Geiger counters does in fact equate exactly to the same readings in uR/hr.
Accuracy of Readings - While most visitors to the Radiation Network welcome the service, a few have questioned the accuracy and legitimacy of the radiation readings. That healthy skepticism is a good thing, especially given the sensitive nature of this subject matter. I can only say that we don't have an agenda, other than the collection and reporting of Radiation levels taken on a scientific basis. Since our network is of a server/client nature, we exercise some control over the issuance of Monitoring Station participation in the first place, and retain the ability to shut down any station that abuses its license. Having said that, I am very pleased with, and proud of the makeup of our Monitoring Stations. These are largely just individuals like you and me who are concerned and aware, diligent in recording readings, and interestingly, many of them are ham radio operators at the same time.

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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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Try this cdxnode64.epa.gov...

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Try this cdxnode64.epa.gov...
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:16 PM
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And if an earthquake happened in California, those things WOULD happen and the world would be done. To panic over that which is not yet true is pointless. We can only see what has happened and is happening. In the end, they'll probably build a coffin around it.

Just like a microwave, continuous radioactivity is the big problem. And until the continuous input is a problem, then it's not.

Besides, if what you said even begins to happen, I think we might as well just nuke it, and make it all into plasma. Sometimes a bigger fire puts out the flame.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Radnet has been reportedly taking down their monitors whenever it gets high. I don't think the wolves are going to let you know.

But right now, as bad as I believe this radiation wave and fallout is, Japan may be in a chain reaction.

And I just read a thread about a school with 30 or more children and over 600 people in it, without water, food or electricity. Now the children havn't been told their parents are dead. This is from Friday's Tsunami.

But, what is going on? They're not evacuated?

It appears they seem to think that waiting past the times normal die without water and food is the best time to use the extremely good funds Japanese Gov has been blessed with.

I call it Genocide.

And I suspect something far worse will occur.

Chenorbyl which was much smaller, none Mox fuel reactor took 10 days, to meldown and was spewing deadly radiation and they didn't reveal it. Same lack of information.

This is worse.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Whoa! Do you have a source for that? That is VERY shocking if true.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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Um...I think they are lying to this reporter...or they somehow raised the level of "safe" exposure. Methinks he's done for.


I have seen reports of even Higher CPM...even 10,000 CPM after decon.....but don't know the settings in that report..



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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Good posts. Unfortunately they will be ignored by the majority here who seem to be impervious to level headed analyses. Gloom, doom and hysterics get all the attention.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:33 PM
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From NHK;

Expert: No immediate risk but figure is high

Associate Professor Keiichi Nakagawa of the University of Tokyo has suggested that 150 microsieverts per hour would not pose an immediate danger to humans, but the figure is still high.

The specialist in radiology says exposure to 150 microsieverts of radiation every day for up to a month would add up to around 100,000 microsieverts. He says human health could be affected at this level.

However, Nakagawa says people should not worry too much, since the amount of radiation would fall to about 10 percent indoors.

But he adds that the release of radioactive substances from the nuclear plant should be contained as soon as possible, from the viewpoint of preventing unnecessary long-term exposure.

Friday, March 18, 2011 22:02 +0900 (JST)

www3.nhk.or.jp...

Has the word gone out to the Town Criers, expect meltdown and radiation of 150 micros/hour in Tokyo? Please stay indoors as much as possible because Big Brother will have it under control within 30 days?

We have to learn to read between the lines of info coming out of Japan.



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:34 PM
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With all do respect, facts on ATS require links. I also have a problem with this. Are you saying that your government tells the truth? Why should I believe your reports over the ones that are in this thread? Should we not listen to any information from any source? What sources are considered legit?

And finally. Do you think it is a possibility that you are being thrown a curve ball yourself.? With all do respect again when someone posts info like this, I believe that they are some what brainwashed themselves in some form or another from their government.. I am sorry to be so critical, but the info you posted goes against every report I have read on this thread.....

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EDIT: I know that my reply sounds abit a holish. I am mainly referring to this statement.



Another thing that has been with held from the public is the 5 TEPCO workers who died yesturday.


If this is true and it is being held from the public, then how do you know? I see that verification takes a back seat to stars now on ATS.
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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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One of the biggest misunderstandings isn't really anyones fault, until yesterday everyone thought that 1 or more primary containments were breached and omg MELTDOWN APOCALYPSE! .. however it turns out its just the spent fuel pools (still bad, but nowhere near as bad as made out here). So ALL of the hysteria was based on a false premise.

Hmmm fail.

Official document update March 18 10AM

Core and fuel integrity : Reactors 1-2-3 : damaged
Containment vessel integrity : Reactor 2-3 : suspected damaged



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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That would be really really bad for the planet...basically the ocean would be screwed and in turn so would all of us and the whole environment we live in!



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 06:45 PM
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From NHK;

www3.nhk.or.jp...


WHO: No radiation risk outside evacuation zone

The World Health Organization has said radiation levels outside the evacuation zone in Japan are not harmful for human health.

WHO spokesperson Gregory Hartl made the remarks at a regular news conference in Geneva on Friday.

The Japanese government issued an advisory on Tuesday to evacuate from a 20-kilometer radius of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. It also told people living within a 30-kilometer radius to stay indoors.

He said the amount of radiation being reported outside of the evacuation zone continued to be below the levels considered a public health risk.

He said the WHO finds no public health reason to avoid travel to Japan, except to the affected areas, or to recommend that foreign nationals leave the country.

Some countries are encouraging their citizens to leave Japan or are moving their embassies from Tokyo to Osaka.

Referring to an examination of Japanese food imports by some countries, he said he cannot imagine that any food from the quake-damaged areas was able to have been delivered. He said he concludes there is no risk that exported Japanese foods are contaminated with radiation.

Saturday, March 19, 2011 08:04 +0900 (JST)


This is insane. The country is possibly on the brink of a nuclear meltdown and he says there is no health reason to avoid travel to Japan? If this goes bad visitors to Tokyo will feel more like they're at the Hotel California.



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