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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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The end of Sushi in Southern California...surely, the economy could not stand it

Kidding, maybe inappropriately, but the truth of the matter is...I do NOT care what they say about Pacific seafood, I ain't eating none of it after this. Add that to the gulf seafood I won't touch, and well, there aint much left when you live on the left coast.

Is that a third of the seas yet???




posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 03:55 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
This nuke emergency is seriously shaking the whole world. Some nations have even banned the importation of Japanese foods. The longer this crisis persists, the less hope I have.


But I continue to pray that things will work out for the better.


Indeed it has. I really wonder what the end of result of this will be. I don't really have a whole lot of faith that they will avert a total meltdown of the reactors. If there is indeed a meltdown I guess that it is the end of Japan?

If Japan goes what happens to the rest of the world? Would it come to a total economic standstill?



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 03:55 AM
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Thank you for the well thought out and informative post.

I learned something new.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 03:57 AM
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I am guessing it is not 4:00am where you are now or if it is I am highly impressed that was a very impressive synopsis. So in your opinion, what should they be doing? Not to be selfish but just what should we expect in the US west coast to east and what precautions if any should we be taking, potassium iodide, kelp, sheltering in place, etc. Just how bad might this thing get?

Thank you in advance.

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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 03:58 AM
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Since you seem to have a background in this type of stuff..I ask you to take a look at my thread about Spent fuel pool fires and tell me what you think..Please tell me I am way off base

www.abovetopsecret.com



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:04 AM
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I don't think there would be any difference in the amount of heat and gamma radiation emitted, or the force of an explosion due to supercriticality. The difference is that if there is an explosion or fire involving the MOX fuel - this material contains both plutonium and americium, which is a byproduct of the decay or fission of plutonium, which is more than 10,000 times more toxic when inhaled or ingested.
It's important to differentiate between exposure to gamma radiation external to the human body, and inhaling or ingesting radioactive materials.

en.wikipedia.org...

If someone inhales or ingests plutonium, or even worse americium matter, this will go deep into organs or bones in the body and irradiate them from the inside out for many, many years - potentially leading to very unpleasant cancers and other illnesses.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:10 AM
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I think that this nuclear emergency will not affect much of the ocean life.

Your sea food will be safe to eat. Can't say the same for the Gulf Coast...but I digress.
There would have to be ASTRONOMICAL amounts of radiological material in the water for sea
food in California, indeed out of the whole of the pacific, to be contaminated.

Yes, there ARE economic concerns to the entirety of this massive disaster..I address that in the thread in my signature. A conversation best suited to that thread IMO.



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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:12 AM
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I'm not saying there is any need for any precautions at all or panic at all in the US. I'm just really pi$$ed off at exactly how poor the information is that is being fed out by the mainstream media so I can no longer help myself and am sharing my insights. My intention is not to cause panic.

For Japan, and depending on the winds, neighboring countries - if the worst case scenario becomes a reality, it could be a total nightmare. Japanese authorities should be taking this into consideration in their response to the situation (I'm not a public planner, so I'm not quite sure how). For folks in the USA, the Pacific ocean is extremely huge and any radioactive material that falls out over the US will have been diluted to the point that it won't cause any immediate harm - even in the worst case scenario.

On the other hand, myself and my family will avoid consuming dairy and meat products for the next few years, at least.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:14 AM
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TEPCO report

Press Release (Mar 17,2011)
Plant Status of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station (as of 9:00 am Mar 17th)


All 6 units of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station have been shut
down.

Unit 1(Shut down)
-Reactor has been shut down. However, the explosive sound and white
smoke were confirmed after the big quake occurred at 3:36PM Mar 12th.
It was assumed to be hydrogen explosion and currently under the
investigation.
-We have been injecting sea water into the reactor pressure vessel.

Unit 2(Shut down)
-Reactor has been shut down and Reactor Core Isolation Cooling System
has been injecting water to the reactor. However, reactor pressure has
increased because the system stopped, causing reactor water level to
drop. Following the instruction by the government and with fully
securing safety, measure to lower the pressure level within the reactor
containment vessel and injection of sea water were taken, reactor
pressure and water level resumed.
-We are continuing the injection of sea water into the reactor.
-At approximately 6:00am, an abnormal noise began emanating from nearby
Pressure Suppression Chamber and the pressure within this chamber
decreased.
-While we continue sea water injection operations, the temporary
transfer of TEPCO employees and workers from other companies not
directly involved in this work has begun.

Unit 3(Shut down)
-Reactor has been shut down. However, the explosive sound and white
smoke were confirmed at 11:01AM Mar 14th. It was assumed to be hydrogen
explosion and currently under the investigation.
-As fog like steam was confirmed from reactor building at 8:30AM on
March 16th, we transferred the workers to safe area. After that, we
decided to discharge water to the upper side of reactor building by
helicopters, but could not do that because there was a trouble with
implementation of work.
-We plan to discharge water in order to cool spent fuel pool after we
complete the preparations by confirming the process of discharging,
personnel, and a situation of the site.
-We continue monitoring as it was reported that the pressure of the
Suppression Chamber temporally increased at around 6:15AM on March 17th.
-We have been injecting sea water into the reactor pressure vessel.

Unit 4 (shut down due to regular inspection)
-Reactor has been shut down. However, we have confirmed the sustained
damage around the 5th floor rooftop area of the Nuclear Reactor
Building.
-Afterwards, we confirmed the outbreak of fire at the northwestern part
of Nuclear Reactor Building. We immediately reported this matter to the
fire department and the related authorities.
-However, at approximately 11:00am, when TEPCO employee arrived at the
seen to confirm, the fire had already died down. At 5:45AM on March
16th, we confirmed the outbreak of the fire again but could not confirm
it at 6:15AM. We will continue to monitor the situation carefully.

Unit 5 (outage due to regular inspection)
-Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
-Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage
inside the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 6 (outage due to regular inspection)
-Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant to
ensure safety is maintained.
-Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage
inside the reactor containment vessel.

Casualty
-2 workers of cooperative firm were injured at the occurrence of the
earthquake, and were transported to the hospital.
-1 TEPCO employee who was not able to stand by his own with his hand
holding left chest was transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
-1 subcontract worker at important earthquake-proof building was
unconscious and transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
-The radiation exposure of 1 TEPCO employee, who was working inside the
reactor building, exceeded 100mSv and was transported to the hospital.
-2 TEPCO employees felt bad during their operation in the central control
rooms of Unit 1 and 2 while wearing full masks, and were transferred to
Fukushima Daini Power Station for consultation with a medical advisor.
-4 workers were injured and transported to the hospital after explosive
sound and white smoke were confirmed around the Unit 1.
-11 workers were injured and transported to Fukushima Daini Nuclear
Power Station after explosive sound and white smoke were confirmed
around the Unit 3.One of the injured workers got medical treatment on
March 16th, but the worker reported a flank pain. We required to the
offsite center that the worker should be transported to the hospital.
After that, the helicopter of JSDF arrived and transported the worker
to the FUKUSHIMA Medical University Hospital at 10:56AM
-Presence of 2 TEPCO employees at the site is not confirmed.

Others
-We are currently coordinating with the relevant authorities and
departments as to how to secure the cooling water to cool down the
water in the spent nuclear fuel pool of the plant.
-We measured radioactive materials inside of the nuclear power station
area (outdoor) by monitoring car and confirmed that radioactive
materials level is getting higher than ordinary level. As listed below,
we have determined that specific incidents stipulated in article 15,
clause 1(Abnormal increase in radiation dose measured at site boundary)
have occurred.
Determined at 4:17 pm Mar 12th (Around Monitoring Post 4 )
•Determined at 8:56 am Mar 13th (Around Monitoring Post 4 )
•Determined at 2:15 pm Mar 13th (Around Monitoring Post 4 )
•Determined at 3:50 am Mar 14th (Around Monitoring Post 6 )
•Determined at 4:15 am Mar 14th (Around Monitoring Post 2 )
•Determined at 9:27 am Mar 14th (Around Monitoring Post 3 )
•Determined at 9:37 pm Mar 14th (Around main entrance )
•Determined at 6:51 am Mar 15th (Around main entrance )
•Determined at 8:11 am Mar 15th (Around main entrance )
•Determined at 4:17 pm Mar 15th (Around main entrance )
•Determined at 11:05 pm Mar 15th (Around main entrance )

-We will continue to make announcements when it was determined that a
specific incident stipulated in article 15, clause 1 has occurred.
-The national government has instructed evacuation for those local
residents within 20km radius of the periphery and evacuation to inside
for those residents from 20km to 30km radius of the periphery, because
it's possible that radioactive materials are discharged.
-Today, at approximately 10am, we observed 400mSv/h at the inland side
of the Unit 3 reactor building and 100mSv/h at the inland side of the
Unit 4 reactor building.
-We will continue to take all measures to restore the security of the
site and to monitor the environment of the site periphery.

www.tepco.co.jp...

And a detailed report from JAIF - www.jaif.or.jp... (PDF)



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:18 AM
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Yesterday we had an Dutch talk show were an Journalist returned from Japan

He said Japan is lying
He came back with radio poisoning which was not detected by those things we all saw in the video's across the net.
He was station 150km North of Fukash...

Nuclear physicist said, If you want to measure radio activity correctly. Take salt samples of home''s around the plants.
The protons will stick to the salt making them ideal for radiation testing



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:21 AM
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Update 10:16: Fourteen elderly patients after they are deceased from a hospital near Fukushima Dai'ichi were evacuated. Meanwhile, experts warn that the victims of the earthquake should not be forgotten, now will focus on the threat of nuclear disaster.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:23 AM
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From BBC -

www.bbc.co.uk...


0921: TepcoDisaster tweets: "About to beginning fire-fighting and cooling reactors 3&4 from ground-based team at #Fukushima Daiichi No.1 Nuclear power plant."


I think they are about to start spraying with the water cannons



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:26 AM
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there were a few news that water spraying was complete and the pools are full




Can anybody explain why they are not trying to cover it with concrete or build sarcophagus?
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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:27 AM
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Originally posted by AstraCat
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there were a few news that water spraying was complete and the pools are full


Tell me how can the pools be full, if the heat vaporizes the water again?


Can anybody explain why they are not trying to cover it with concrete or build sarcophagus?


Yes they need to max out the damage, cause there are just to much of us people running around.
If that is not the case, then yes # this thing under with concrete fast
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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:29 AM
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I found a handy site for those of us that like to convert all those radiation levels into other measurements..
all you do is plug in the numbers and convert into what ever..ie: milli into micro etc...page also has several feeds for geiger counters on it...

Warning page is not in english tho..

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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:30 AM
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Wow, notice this bit in the Tepco report?


-1 subcontract worker at important earthquake-proof building was unconscious and transported to the hospital by an ambulance.
-The radiation exposure of 1 TEPCO employee, who was working inside the reactor building, exceeded 100mSv and was transported to the hospital.
-2 TEPCO employees felt bad during their operation in the central control rooms of Unit 1 and 2 while wearing full masks, and were transferred to Fukushima Daini Power Station for consultation with a medical advisor.


One contractor in an earthquake-proof room was unconscious. Radiation?
One was definitely exposed to too much radiation and went to the hospital.
Two "felt bad" while in #1 and #2 control rooms----again, radiation?

Seems if they were sick for ANY other reason, they surely would have made that clear to avoid confusion and panic.
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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:31 AM
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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:33 AM
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Update 10:27 The British Foreign Office strongly advises British citizens not to travel to Japan. Citizens who are in Japan should consider to go, set them on their website. Read more about Western people fleeing the affected land mass.



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:35 AM
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Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
Nuclear physicist said, If you want to measure radio activity correctly. Take salt samples of home''s around the plants.
The protons will stick to the salt making them ideal for radiation testing

Do you mean take ``soil samples`` around the plants in your house/outside to know the real radioactivity levels?

Or?



posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 04:35 AM
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Your post is excellent and you have aggregated all kinds of great information. However, even in a worst case scenario there would not be any interaction between different sites with radioactive materials - the release would just be from what exists at Fukushima I. That being said, there is literally tons of radioactive material there. However, it is hard to visualize or comprehend the size of the pacific ocean - most of the materials would fallout over the ocean and not have any immediate effect on humans.

I'm not trying to downplay this. I'm just trying to explain that there is a difference between some kind of "end of the world" scenario, and a very, very bad ecological - and for japan and neighboring countries, humanitarian disaster.




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