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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 06:38 AM
reply to post by Aircooled

seems every time i see readings being analyzed they only mention cs134 and cs 137 maybe some strontium 90 but you never ever read of the bad child pu239 from # 3, did it just evaporate?

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 08:22 AM

Originally posted by Aircooled
New Scientist [HA!]
"Dump it all"

I was wondering when this would start.

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 11:53 AM
LBE, Those morons would like folks to think there are only two or 3 isotopes.

Mat. Wanna bet they get the "Nobel" for dumping?

No re-bar in the concrete under those 1000 ton tank. It just gets better!

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 12:07 PM
reply to post by Aircooled

You know, they also make fiberglass re-enforced concrete, they could have at least done that.


posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 12:33 PM

Originally posted by matadoor
reply to post by Aircooled

You know, they also make fiberglass re-enforced concrete, they could have at least done that.


I'm sure they tossed in a few old coat hangers!

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 02:27 PM
reply to post by Aircooled

Yeah, plus all the other debris.

Nothing shocks me any more when it comes to this crisis.

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 02:38 PM
Okay, riddle me this batman....

A quote from this article:

"Tepco plans to more than double the current storage capacity by 2016, but doesn’t have a plan beyond that point. The math is daunting. The utility has to find space for an additional 400 tons of radioactive water each day because of the need to keep the reactors cool for the next seven years."

Seven years? Where did this number come from? Have we heard this before? What happens after seven years? Oh wait, that's when the aliens arrive and they clean it up for us, right?

Or do they think the corium will be cool enough by then?

Then this quote:

“The opinion among the groundwater specialists is that Tepco has no idea what it’s doing,” he said. “We have asked them to bring in specialists on the ground.”

Man, THAT's an understatement if I've ever read one.

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 02:57 PM
Geez, another busy day in the world of Fuk....

TEPCO to drain two more tanks at Fukushima nuclear plant

Part of the story:

"Fukushima operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (TEPCO) said today it would empty two more coolant tanks that hold radioactive water over fears of fresh leaks at the crippled nuclear plant.

Earlier this week, TEPCO said around 300 tonnes of radioactive liquid was believed to have escaped from one of the hundreds of tanks used to cool the broken reactors.

The episode was dubbed the most serious since the plant went into meltdown in 2011 after being hit by a quake and tsunami.

TEPCO said today that the affected tank was one of three to have been relocated from their original zone because of ground subsidence in the area."

And then this at the end:

"A catalogue of mishaps, often accompanied by a perceived unwillingness to publicly reveal the extent of problems, is leading to a growing chorus warning of the need for outside experts to step in and take control of the operation.

Critics say the utility -- which has been effectively nationalised -- is not up to the task."
edit on 24-8-2013 by matadoor because: Adding nuggets.

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 05:00 PM
reply to post by Aircooled

I think the "photo" is a CG render, remember when tepco was working on computer modeling of the plant? I mean google earth with 3d buildings turned on looks a bit like that render ( I like to use the plane in google earth to fly around the fuku site to get a feel for the local environment )

about the water storage issue:
I said a LONG time ago that this would become one of the critical issues.
The only real solution is to start a process of precipitating or a Flocculent reaction to re-concentrate the radioactive materials ( yes I know radiation issues)

One thought is to create a centrifuge like effect ( using an annular orifice principle ) .If it works for coal slurry it should work for much heavier metals .

Construct a cylindrical vertical tank ( with welds out of quality materials and workmanship...TEPCO ) , a conventional semi hauler tanker ( used for milk and gas and such ) might work if stood on end. Connect a buch of ARIZONA VORTEX TUBES to the tank on tangential arcs ( to the radial curve, obviously) parallel to the ground and placed sequentially so that each one magnifies the "push" of the next one .make sure to make the cold side discharge inside the tank. NItrogen would probably be the best gas to use , but I can think of a couple of reasons that normal air might work too .

(besides the fill lines) an extraction tube at the bottom should be placed on the outer rim to remove highly concentrated contaminants and a pipe on top in the center ( would need to be articulating int he vertical direction ) to siphon off the (hopefully) extremely less contaminated water)

Since the arizona vortex tubes produce high speed cold air at one end ( the one that should be cooling and spinning the water) and high speed hot air out the side, a smart person might take all those AVT hot out put and tie it together and use it to fuel a steam generator ( you know like nuke plants have in abundance ) to offset the cost of operation ( for all the pumping and compressed air and whatnot .
edit on 24-8-2013 by Silverlok because: linkage man , linkage

It occurs that the speed of the fluid (thus efficiency of the device ) would be facilitated by not a cylinder but a shape. in other words two cymbals inverted and the volume between them the separation chamber
edit on 24-8-2013 by Silverlok because: ideas...the float occasionally

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 06:36 PM

Originally posted by Aircooled
One for our blast expert to look at. This pic was turned sideways in the link [A few are] so I rotated it, hopefully the right way.

Have a look, maybe you will spot something that has some bearing for 013?

Perhaps a day late and a dollar short, but I can guarantee you that the dark smooth area is fresh type n mortar. Fom the photo , I am not blast expert mind you , it would seem hydraulic pressure caused the cement deformation and discoloration (and cracking/stress lines ) but then 'sandblasting' from pressure or overpressure waves sculpted the stressed concrete

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 06:36 PM
reply to post by Silverlok

Silverlok,you are awesome!

posted on Aug, 24 2013 @ 10:17 PM
But they're leaking through the bottom [which isn't even one solid piece of steel]....
"Tank patrol"?...
[I'm picturing homeless people, snatched off the streets by Yakkuza vans] ..... with special hats!

The tank Patrol. "The makeshift tanks also lack water level gauges, making it difficult to detect leaks. Only two workers are assigned to checking nearly 1,000 tanks on two-hour patrols twice a day, Mr. Imaizumi said. "
[Oh that sounds like they get a close inspection.]
"Tepco has built nearly 1,000 tanks at the sprawling complex to store as many as 335,000 tons of contaminated water"
[While dumping twice as much lol]
"On Friday, Tepco presented an even starker view of the situation, acknowledging that as much as 220,000 tons of that water is stored in makeshift steel tanks similar to the one that is leaking. "

"Welding the tanks would cost more money"

All these 1000 ton tanks must be built on cement pads with no re-bar right? We've seen pics of the smaller grey tanks sitting on gravel. No concrete at all. Has anyone ever seen a chart showing how many tanks are 1000 tons, 100 tons, etc...? They have 1000 tanks but how many of each size?

Looks like background is almost 2.0 microsieverts.

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 05:17 AM
There is a new article by Devvy Kidd about Fukushima on the News With Views website. It has a lot of information and about a kazillion links to other material.


There is way too much in the article to do it justice with just the few quotes from it below. From what I have seen of it, it looks like a complete recap of what is posted here at ATS, and then some.

After a while, the media moved on to the next "when it bleeds, it leads" story and Fukushima became a forgotten incident. Not for the Japanese people - not after that day and for decades and generations to come. I have prayed for all the lost souls and the citizens over there who will continue to suffer from radiation poisoning - especially children. But, should we be concerned? Has or will the effects of Fukushima hit the U.S.?

While the American media has pretty much ignored what's been going on for the past 2 1/2 years (you might see a headline here and there), a few dedicated web sites have kept a steady stream of updates. For the most comprehensive coverage, go to; scroll down to Japan Nuclear Disaster.

Contrary to the few weak statements by the criminal syndicate out in Washington, DC., one journalist recently penned this:

Why the Fukushima disaster is worse than Chernobyl

"Some scientists say Fukushima is worse than the 1986 Chernobyl accident, with which it shares a maximum level-7 rating on the sliding scale of nuclear disasters. One of the most prominent of them is Dr Helen Caldicott, an Australian physician and long time anti-nuclear activist who warns of "horrors to come" in Fukushima.

“Absolutely Every One” – 15 Out of 15 – Bluefin Tuna Tested In California Waters Contaminated with Fukushima Radiation. That was in 2012. With Fukushima pouring 300 TONS of contaminated water into the ocean EVERY day, what does current testing show for Bluefin tuna and other species of popular fish? The American people have the right to know, even if the news is bad.

Holy Fukushima – Radiation From Japan Is Already Killing North Americans (May 2013) (Be sure to look at the graphic image of Radioactive Seawater Impact Map)

"This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is happening and it's happening right now.

edit on 25-8-2013 by happykat39 because: added more info

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 05:59 AM

Asahi Flyover

Sorry if this was already posted...

- Purple Chive

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 09:32 AM
reply to post by Purplechive

Thanks Purple.
Asahi: The harbour is boiling but lets zoom in on the tanks. 2 second mark. "Maybe if we do the flyover on a cloudy day they won't notice"

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 02:46 PM
It is somewhat interesting to see what the professional nuclear science eggheads at the top of major universities think about what happened and or is happening at fuku.

Take M.I.T. for example they had a lot to say back on march sixteenth 2011( a good deal of which proved inaccurate or at best very misleading):

If the fuel does fully melt, he said, it would “relocate downward,” where it would hit a pool of water at the base of the reactor building, which is there specifically to cool off the molten fuel in case of such an emergency. When the molten fuel reaches the water, Kazimi said, it would solidify again, where it could later be carved up and removed....

ahahahahaaa...oh , Kazimi, you card, you slay me ...

Not to be outdone, or let people doubt their author-it-tie, MIT released a report about "lessons learned" from Fuku on august 7th 2011:

The accident at the Fukushima - Daichii nuclear plant has generated worldwide news and precipitated public concern about the safety of nuclear power in general. ...There have been calls for cancellation of nuclear construction projects and reassessments of plant license extensions. This may lead to a global slow - down of the nuclear enterprise , based on the perception that nuclear energy is not safe enough. However, the lessons to be drawn from the Fukushima accident are different

really and what lessons and conclusions should we have learned dear professor's?

...the Fukushima - Daichii plant has performed relatively well in some respects and so far there is no evidence of major human errors in handling the crisis. It is noted that the containments at Units 1 - 3 have not massively failed,...

er what, what ? that's not what the amateur's on this site were saying in august 2011

In fact, no loss of life has occurred or is expected as a result of the accident....

I'll put a c-note down on that action

...The Fukushima accident has been rated at the maximum level (Level 7) on the IAEA nuclear event scale, indicating an accident with large release of radioactivity accompanied by “ widespread health and environmental effects” , like Chernobyl . H owever, there are very significant differences between Fukushima and Chernobyl . Briefly, the amount of the release (~10% of Chernobyl), the presence of the containment structures, the radionuclides released (mostly iodine and cesium isotopes vs. the entire core inventory) , the physical form of the releases (mostly aqueous vs. volatil e), the favorable currents and winds at the site , and the timing of the release with respect to population evacuation resulted in vastly smaller overall consequences . Having said th is , it is importa nt to analyze the technical lessons that can be learned f rom Fukushima , so that the safety of nuclear plants in the U.S. and worldwide can be further enhanced and the attractiveness of nuclear energy sust ained over the long term . An initial attempt to identify the key lessons from the Fukushima accident is pres ented here

Ah...the light bulb comes on , and all of that was just in the 'premise' section. In the 'closing thoughts' section they really strip the cloth away:

T he initial response of the nuclear industry and the U.S government to the Fukushima accident has been measured and rational (see Appendix B). However, t he risk of over - reacting to an accident, particularly one as dramatic as Fukushima, remains high. The industry is concerned abou t the near - term effect of Fukushima on the process of life extension of current plants and the support for new construction projects . Under the pressure of the public and the media, the g overnment may be compelled to push for sweeping policy and regulator y changes , which may ultimately prove to be un necessarily onerous on existing and future plants . D ecision - making in the immediate aftermath of a major crisis is often overly influenced by emotion . Therefore, t he following question s should be addressed af ter searching for vulnerabilities at existing plants, but before enacting significant changes in nuclear energy regulatio ns and policy . D oes an accident like Fukushima, which is so far beyond design basis, really warrant a major overhaul of current nuclea r safety regulations and practices?

Then in the next breath:

When it comes to safety, it is important to bear in mind that all engineered structures... will fail if subject ed to loads far enough beyond what they were designed for

Well I guess we know which side the Eggheads are on, which would explain why the MIT nuclear engineering department has been pretty mum, and also explains why MIT is so intent on surface boiling ( seeing how it seriously effected this disaster)

” Michael Corradini, a professor at the University of Wisconsin and president of the American Nuclear Society, adds that this “is very interesting research that can help find novel ways to improve heat-transfer characteristics for nuclear fuel or safety-related equipment.” ....

and whom is footing the bill ?

. The work was supported by nuclear-reactor vendor Areva NP.

Does anyone left in any aspect of this industry have any credibility left, or how about honesty or decency? I wonder how those MIT professors feel about being areva's bitch?
edit on 25-8-2013 by Silverlok because: sneaking in stuff

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 05:46 PM

Originally posted by Aircooled
reply to post by Purplechive

Thanks Purple.
Asahi: The harbour is boiling but lets zoom in on the tanks. 2 second mark. "Maybe if we do the flyover on a cloudy day they won't notice"

And here is why the sea is boiling!
"John Large, Nuclear consultant: ...What happened is the intensely radioactive fuel is beginning to migrate into the water. And the water is seeping and migrating out of the containment. In the immediate ecosystem, of course it moves beyond that. Once it comes out of the groundwater into the marine environment, then tides and currents will take it along" nto-neighborhoods-health-harm-from-this-fuel-to-last-for-thous
Too bad it doesn't migrate to tepco headquarters and burn its way up through the floors!

edit on 25-8-2013 by Aircooled because: I just realized it was an old PDF

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 06:22 PM
"Three tanks including the one that is leaking were originally in the H1 area, closer to the in-the-ground water storage ponds. But when TEPCO conducted the test of the tanks by filling them with water in July 2011, it caused the land subsidence of about 20 centimeters which cracked the concrete platform.
TEPCO says it was unaware that the tank No.5 in H4 area, and two others in the same area, had been disassembled, moved and reassembled.
Tanks were made on short construction period and as economically as possible. They were not made to last a long time."
[Yeah why would they want that?]
Only 3 eh?.... So the fact that there is no re-bar in the concrete won't effect the others, eh?

posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 08:31 PM
Who in their right mind would pour concrete with out re-bar or a substitute.

It is so stupid as to belong on Home Improvement. Tim would do it.

There is no solution to Fukashima. It is what it is. We do not have the technology to solve this. The world knows it, every government knows it which is why no one is screaming about it.

There is no solution.


posted on Aug, 25 2013 @ 08:55 PM
reply to post by Aircooled

Does Ex-sfk except gifts? We should send him something. Something in the true nature of gifts ( unlike political 'donations' ): a thing given that increases ex-sfk's happiness without any expectation of remuneration.

Perhaps it is something just to say thanks for the dedication Ex ( and if you turn out to be our older brother whom we all believed was dead just like speed racer's brother X , whoot! ) ...

...and I think he is right on the money once again. as we postulated on this thread Tepco has no where to store the vast quantities of polluted water and cannot afford to keep increasing , geometrically , it's storage containment spaces....exactly as we predicted stuff is leaking everywhere and tepco/the nuker industry is hoping to drop toxic radioactive waste into those new 'diversion' wells and keep it on the down low .

Obviously they are trying to create an underground toxic river we said long ago ...they have no other options and the enormity of the storage facility they have created is EXACTLY the nightmare scenario that was inevitable ( as we mentioned back when the shills were here slinging fear-monger around pretty freely) )

by the way whom inside of TEPCO green lighted R.O. ? a massively stupid idea...reverse osmosis is SLOW you need a five story tower of commercial grade membranes to process "normal" water and even that could not keep up with the flow volumes that fuku is producing daily . The ( relatively speaking) giant metals trash the osmotic membranes ( synthetic or organic) rapidly and hot water , even warm water dissolves membranes like butter ( osmotic membranes in R.O. are basically fatty, or cellulose materials ) .And under the best of conditions about 90% of the water gets rejected as 'waste' . meaning that under ideal circumstances a ten percent reduction in waste material ( at the expensive of more concentrated radioactive waste ) is all you get? is Tepco that desperate? ...since they implemented R.O. 'washing' I am saying the answer is YES.

On a slightly different note:
the mass media is being forced to start talking about fuku ....BUt with obvious reality dampers still firmly in place:
Faux news:

Tokyo governor: No nuclear threat....A leak of highly radioactive water at the crippled Fukushima nuclear power plant will not affect Tokyo's bid to host the 2020 Olympics, Tokyo Governor Naoki Inose said Friday.

Weeellll...he is technically correct; the bid will not be affected by radiation poisoning, but I am wondering what the population of Tokyo will be in 2020

Here is the despicable Huffinton posts presumptuous article

And the health consequences a(t) Fukushima to date have been much less severe. The Chernobyl meltdown involved the explosion of an entire reactor that sent out a plume of radiation over a wide area. Many people nearby drank contaminated milk and later developed thyroid cancer. By contrast, Fukushima's radioactive cores remained mostly protected, and much of the radioactive material has been carried out to sea, far from human populations. People in risky areas were evacuated, and contaminated food was kept out of stores. While the long-term health risks are unknown, the World Health Organization said there is very little public health risk outside of the 18-mile evacuation zone.

but here was a nice incisive piece( thanks happykat):

The fancy little picture at the top of the article isn't showing you the flow of happy fun time thoughts from Japan back in March of 2012, it's showing you the flow of radiation from the Fukushima nuclear plant after the devastating earthquake and tsunami of 2011. Yes, that sharp pain you just felt in your chest is the sudden realization that the image shows the radiation reaching almost past Hawaii more than a year ago. "Do the math – If that radiation screamed across the Pacific Ocean that far in one year, just how far do you think it has gotten since then? Look at what World Truth TV is saying and then you decide.


In November 2012, BP and the United States Department of Justice settled federal criminal charges with BP pleading guilty to 11 counts of manslaughter, two misdemeanors, and a felony count of lying to Congress. BP also agreed to four years of government monitoring of its safety practices and ethics, and the Environmental Protection Agency announced that BP would be temporarily banned from new contracts with the US government.

BP and the Department of Justice agreed to a record-setting $4.525 billion in fines and other payments but further legal proceedings not expected to conclude until 2014 are ongoing to determine payouts and fines under the Clean Water Act and the Natural Resources Damage Assessment. As of February 2013, criminal and civil settlements and payments to a trust fund had cost the company $42.2 billion."

When you're charged with and plead guilty to manslaughter, the convicted almost always get jail time unless there's some unusual circumstances. Certainly, the fines for BP are a ton of money, but in the oil business, it's really, well, just the cost of doing business. Money talks. In this case, it also buys your way out of jail. I bring up the Deepwater disaster because the same applies to Fukushima. Here's but a small sample of what we all need to know:

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