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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:40 PM
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Does this sound familiar? Gulf Oil Spill?
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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He is trying to be truthful and still not alarm anyone... a difficult task.

He does emphasize one good thing that has not happened, and may actually not happen now. He is correct about the effect of the explosions of Chernobyl and the differences caused by the elevation of the radioactivity. Chernobyl basically irradiated a section of the Jet Stream, spewing contamination across a massive area. That was my initial concern earlier when I was looking for a massive white plume of smoke: a catastrophic reactor failure that would shoot radiation into the Jet Stream in the form of neutron-rich steam. This has not happened, and since the reactors are giving way slowly instead of catastrophically, I do not believe it will happen.

That means, unlike Chernobyl, the worst effects will be more or less isolated to Japan. there may still be minor contamination depending on conditions, but it will be short-lived and minimal.

The bad news is, he is (IMO) downplaying the potential for interaction with the concrete and soil. Things may play out like he suggests, or they may be worse as in the theories I have mentioned earlier. No one, not even the experts, know for sure. It has never been tested.... until now.

TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:44 PM
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1832: The AP news agency is quoting Tepco as saying a new power line is almost ready which could end the crisis. The disruption of power to the pumps which send coolant through the reactors is what led to their overheating.


www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by blackcat99



1832: The AP news agency is quoting Tepco as saying a new power line is almost ready which could end the crisis. The disruption of power to the pumps which send coolant through the reactors is what led to their overheating.


www.bbc.co.uk...


Big news. Let's hope everything still works OK when they flick the switch - if it does then things could get much better very quickly


EDIT: of course, after several explosions and fires the chances of everything working as normal probably aren't great.
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by blackcat99



1832: The AP news agency is quoting Tepco as saying a new power line is almost ready which could end the crisis. The disruption of power to the pumps which send coolant through the reactors is what led to their overheating.


www.bbc.co.uk...


if the reactors are breached, they can pump all the water or coolent they want into them, it wont mattr.
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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One can't go there and live!

While they just burn, they should set full effort to get everybody out from the first 50km radius, then more. This would save casualties.
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:50 PM
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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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U.S. Military sets 80Kil No Go Zone


The Pentagon said Wednesday that U.S. forces in Japan are now not allowed within an 80-kilometer radius of the crippled Fukushima plant, on fears of radiation exposure.
www.eurasiareview.com...




Pentagon spokesman Colonel Dave Lapan said the larger no-go zone for the U.S. military was a precaution and added it was not set in stone. Exceptions could be made, if necessary, with proper authorization.

Asked whether the U.S. military might order troops to enter the no-go zone, or instead seek volunteers because of potential hazards, Lapan said: "No. But again, we're talking about the United States military."
www.reuters.com...

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posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:54 PM
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um, We all saw the pictures of the plant. Pipes hanging, electrical wires hanging, wall missing, fire, etc. They can not get near the reactor's so, Please tell me how they can say that the New Power Lines are almost up and running????



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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I agree.. I really wish they would move past the water plans and start working on the containment plans..and I really wonder how they plan on controling the other plants in the area if they have to evacuate the area..The amount of nuke material in the north of Japan is just SCARY



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Update from Reuters:

U.S. urges citizens within 80 km of Japan plant leave
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The United States on Wednesday recommended its citizens living within 80 km (50 miles) of the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan evacuate the area or take shelter indoors.

The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo issued the advice in a statement distributed to reporters accompanying Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on a trip to Egypt.

"We are recommending, as a precaution, that American citizens who live within 50 miles of the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant evacuate the area or to take shelter indoors if safe evacuation is not practical," it said.


So the US government is telling people to get away if you are within 80km but the Japanese government still has the evacuation zone at 20km with a warning to stay indoors at 30km. Something does not add up.

The US government knows how bad it is. The Japanese government is still trying to downplay the danger.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Do they really think those pumps will work now...looking at the damage of the buildings I doubt if any water lines, and or pumps would work...plus it has been studied ...IF the fuel rod pool is on fire...it can't be put out..

just more lip service IMO



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by Anmarie96
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um, We all saw the pictures of the plant. Pipes hanging, electrical wires hanging, wall missing, fire, etc. They can not get near the reactor's so, Please tell me how they can say that the New Power Lines are almost up and running????


IF they can get the electric pumps running... They can keep the damaged reactors cool, and prevent a much worse catastrophe than they already have.

There are many systems that can't be repaired, but if they can get these pumps running, and keep them running then they can keep it from getting 'worse'

We'll just have to wait and see.



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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I saw plans earlier to send an unmanned drone with IR camera over the sites. Don't we also have satellites with this capability? Would getting an estimate of temperatures in the cores tell us how dire the situation is?

If it is still a cooling problem, I would expect the temperatures to be high, but if there is a breach and meltdown, wouldn't the temperatures be significantly higher?

If there is a breach and a meltdown, all the plans for pumping and/or dropping water are worthless aren't they? Once it melts down, cooling is irrelavent, and the reaction will sustain itself regardless?



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 02:00 PM
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Update from Reuters:

U.S. urges citizens within 80 km of Japan plant leave
www.reuters.com...


The United States on Wednesday recommended its citizens living within 80 km (50 miles) of the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan evacuate the area or take shelter indoors.

The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo issued the advice in a statement distributed to reporters accompanying Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on a trip to Egypt.

"We are recommending, as a precaution, that American citizens who live within 50 miles of the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant evacuate the area or to take shelter indoors if safe evacuation is not practical," it said.


So the US government is telling people to get away if you are within 80km but the Japanese government still has the evacuation zone at 20km with a warning to stay indoors at 30km. Something does not add up.

The US government knows how bad it is. The Japanese government is still trying to downplay the danger.

And probalby the US wanted to say get away at aprox 150km. But in the media it would look like a huge gap between what Japan is saying. From 30 to 80 you could say, okey its a diffrence but you might have more peace with it if it was 150 km. That would set unrest around Japan.




posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 02:01 PM
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And the british government are saying all brits to move out of Tokyo, however they are using the excuse that there is a pressure on resources - yeah right!




1854: He told the BBC: "We are informed by the science, and the science says that outside the 30km exclusion zone there should not be a threat to human health. If we thought there was a threat to human health of a severe level in Tokyo we would have much stronger advice at this stage, saying that people should leave with immediate effect. What we are saying is that people should consider leaving Tokyo and northern Japan."

So why are the americans saying different then?



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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This is not good news for Japan...

If, as I suspect, the whole push up until now has been to buy time to get foreign assistance in place for evacuation, this means that the hope for foreign assistance is gone. Those within this 80km radius are on their own to try and get out, and that is a LOT of people trying to cross damaged infrastructure without fuel.

This is more than worrisome... it is a full-blown human catastrophe. All those people...


What is also disconcerting is that the United States government is more open and honest than the Japanese government!


The mind boggles...

TheRedneck



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 02:03 PM
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More on the spent fuel rods from bbc live :-




1859: More from NRC chair Gregory Jaczko. He told Congress: "We believe that secondary containment has been destroyed and there is no water in the spent fuel pool and we believe that radiation levels are extremely high which could possibly impact the ability to take corrective measures."


www.bbc.co.uk...

Doesn't look good



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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To be abandoned like that is mind boggling -



posted on Mar, 16 2011 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Styrge
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One can't go there and live!

While they just burn, they should set full effort to get everybody out from the first 50km radius, then more. This would save casualties.
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People are there, and they are planning on sending more in at various points. How close can they get and work? I don't know.

But they could possibly get some things set up on and then roll them in on trucks. You get a crane truck set up with the pump set up already, all you need to do is drive it up and then have a way to drive back out.

No need for a 50 fireman. A truck crane and a fire pumper set up and rolled in could be sufficient. In and out.

How close is too close? A horizontal rig could possibly be set up in in a couple of hours and drill in the soft ground in less than a day. Likely less if it isn't that far. There is a ball diamond close by, they could set up there. If they need a pad, there is another compound of some sort near by, maybe even part of the plant itself. A skeleton crew, with an offsight remote driller could stear it in.



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