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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 08:06 AM
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Yes... what has happend to Z? Have the Men In Black got to him? Hope not. Maybe a short rest in the hills perhaps?

over at enenews comments....

GlowInTheDark
September 5, 2012 at 6:24 am Log in to Reply

Is there problem brewing at the R4? They've lost the electrical supply of R4 today at 04:25 JST and workers have been asked to wear full protective gear… I wonder why(..)
It affected the building inside and even radiation monitoring was stopped (probably hiding something) for a while apparently. The installation work of the radioactive waste tank and water decontamination equipment were both cancelled today. TEPCO says that the cooling water part is not affected (but they would say that, won't they…) Electricity isn't restored completely yet. This is from a video uploaded 5 hours ago.


www.youtube.com...=1m10s

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posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 11:01 AM
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Don't know Q....

Latest TEPCO status rpt. from Google Translate:


Alarm overload trip occurs at power house 4:25, important in building seismic isolation, Ximen corporate welfare is powered building, main entrance I make sure that is off. Since Therefore, continuous monitoring of the Portal dust is no longer available, 5:05, full-face mask Temporarily suspended the operation of the omission wear. Since then, the power switch to the alternative, continuous monitoring dust is restored, 6:15 to resume operation, the omission wearing full-face mask. It is not affected by the plant of Unit 1-6, and the various parameters Does not affect the value of the monitoring post.


TEPCO no longer provides an English version of these rpts.

www.tepco.co.jp...

- Purple Chive



posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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20:40 5 September
Defense chief Morimoto sees nuke plants as deterrent

TOKYO, Sept. 5, Kyodo

english.kyodonews.jp/news/2012/09/180556.html


Before becoming Japanese defense minister in June, Satoshi Morimoto said he viewed the nation's nuclear power plants as a deterrent against foreign attack, apparently because they made neighboring countries believe Japan could produce nuclear weapons quickly if it wanted to, Kyodo News learned Wednesday.

During a public forum on Jan. 25, Morimoto reportedly said nuclear plants in Japan are "taken by neighboring countries as having very great defensive deterrent functions," according to minutes of the discussion made available to Kyodo News.

The remark was interpreted as indicating Japan's nuclear power plants caused neighboring countries to be conscious of Japan's potential capacity to develop nuclear weapons, contributing to the nation's defense.

Morimoto told Kyodo News: "Now that I have become a member of the government, I would like to observe the government's policy" of retaining the three non-nuclear principles -- not possessing, producing or allowing for the presence of nuclear weapons.

But he also said, "If possible, I would like to reflect (my view) in actual policies."

In June, Japan enacted a revised atomic energy basic law including a new provision linking nuclear energy to "contributions to Japan's national security." That came under fire from some people as paving the way for the nation to possess nuclear weapons.

As defense chief, Morimoto is destined to take part in the Cabinet's imminent decision on Japan's new national energy policy, including the role of nuclear power in future electric power generation.

The government is considering three nuclear share options for 2030 -- zero percent, 15 percent and 20-25 percent -- against 26 percent in 2010.

Minutes of the Jan. 25 discussion show Morimoto called for Japan's maintenance of nuclear plants for defensive purposes as well as energy security, and indicated 25 percent as nuclear energy's appropriate share of Japan's power generation capacity.

Morimoto was speaking at a meeting in Sapporo sponsored by a business body related to Hokkaido Electric Power Co., discussing the controversial topic of whether Japan should retain nuclear plants after the March 2011 Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant accident.

Copyright 2012 Kyodo News



posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 02:36 PM
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23:01 5 September
Noda asks ex-PM Kan to support DPJ reelection bid

TOKYO, Sept. 5, Kyodo

english.kyodonews.jp/news/2012/09/180582.html


Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda asked his predecessor Naoto Kan on Wednesday to support his bid to be reelected as president of the ruling Democratic Party of Japan in its leadership election on Sept. 21.

According to DPJ sources, Kan did not clarify his position during their hour-long talks while urging Noda to state clearly that the country will end its reliance on nuclear energy in the future.

Kan was prime minister when the nuclear crisis erupted at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant last year.

Also on Wednesday, younger DPJ members decided to ask Environment Minister Goshi Hosono to enter the race, but Hosono has said he is not thinking about running for the party presidency.

In a separate meeting, four DPJ members asked former Foreign Minister Makiko Tanaka to declare her candidacy. While withholding her response, Tanaka told reporters that it was difficult to accept their request because she does not believe she is the right person for the job.

Meanwhile, the main opposition Liberal Democratic Party's Shinzo Abe, also a former prime minister, indicated his readiness to become the party's president again while launching an intraparty study group on economic growth strategies.

The LDP is scheduled to hold its presidential election on Sept. 26.

Another group of LDP lawmakers has decided to ask Secretary General Nobuteru Ishihara on Friday to run for the top post.

Former Foreign Minister Nobutaka Machimura and former LDP policy chief Shigeru Ishiba are ready to announce their candidacies on Friday and next week, respectively.

Copyright 2012 Kyodo News



posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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For the longest time I thought this thread had up and vanished. For some reason this thread is only visible in the "Crisis in Japan" forum if you are logged in. I rarely browse the site while logged in so I've missed it.

Anyway, glad to see that this thread is still alive and kicking, though slightly concerned that a valuable resource is being missed by those of us who don't routinely log into the site.
edit on 5-9-2012 by Syphon because: (no reason given)



posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 06:07 PM
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Important Military Pentagon link to visit/archive/save and explore all tabs and Dose Estimates.

Dose Estimates section is an interactive Google Maps, so archiving it can be complicated...

This link was put out by a Reuters article today.

registry.csd.disa.mil/otr or registry.csd.disa.mil/registryWeb/Registry/OperationTomodachi/DisplayAbout.do
 


Pentagon maps Japan radiation, says U.S. personnel safe

By Phil Stewart
WASHINGTON | Wed Sep 5, 2012 6:28pm EDT


www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/05/us-usa-japan-radiation-idUSBRE8841JV20120905


(Reuters) - The Pentagon on Wednesday posted a website mapping the amount of radiation to which the tens of thousands of Americans in Japan at the time of last year's earthquake and nuclear disaster were exposed and said none of the doses posed health risks.

The 9.0 magnitude March 11, 2011 earthquake and tsunami devastated the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant north of Tokyo, triggering meltdowns, spewing radiation and prompting the Pentagon to announce voluntary evacuation for families of service members stationed in Japan.

The temblor generated a tsunami wave of up to 10 meters (33 feet) that swamped the Fukushima plant and the surrounding Tohoku region of central Honshu.

The website, registry.csd.disa.mil/otr, showed radiation dosages between March 12 and May 11 at 13 locations in Japan where most of the nearly 70,000 U.S. military-affiliated population lived.

It showed the highest rate of adult exposure at Camp Sendai, just north of Fukushima, where the estimated adult dose of whole body radiation was 0.12 rem and 1.20 for the thyroid - the organ most affected by radiation.

By comparison, a full-body CAT scan yields a whole body exposure of 5.0 rem.

Those American personnel who were stationed at Camp Sendai who check the website will see a message saying: "Your whole-body and thyroid radiation dose estimates are well below levels associated with adverse medical conditions."

"Since the estimated radiation doses and health risks associated with this event are so low, no one is being placed in a medical surveillance program to monitor their long-term health outcomes," the website said.

There were no children at Sendai, but children between one- and two-years-old at the Hyakuri Airbase south of Fukushima had an estimated whole body exposure of 0.16 rem and 2.70 rem.

The Pentagon said that by the end of the year it will issue final radiation dose estimates, including estimates for some 8,000 people who had their external or internal radiation measured directly.

Scientists are still studying the effects from Fukushima, the world's worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl a quarter of a century earlier. Some nuclear experts have said Japan was slow to open up to foreign experts who could have helped it better contain the accident and manage the public health risks.

Last May, the operator of the crippled plant disclosed that radiation released in the first days of the Fukushima disaster was almost 2-1/2 times the amount first estimated by Japanese safety regulators.

Tokyo Electric Power said its own analysis put the amount of radiation released in the first three weeks of the accident at about one-sixth the radiation released during the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

(Editing by Todd Eastham)



posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Arnie and Helen.






posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 09:08 PM
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Here are the TEPCO interpretations of their claims that unit 4 can withstand a 6M earthquake - taking into account VERTICAL shaking but NOT HORIZONTAL shaking. Well... there's a surprise. What percentage of an earthquake shake is comprised of vertical shaking and what is comprised of horizontal shaking? Yes, we guess that most of it is horizontal and a much smaller proportion is vertical.

Tepco Makes “Critical” Admission: Fukushima Unit 4 quake testing “does not take horizontal shaking into equation” — Claims it can withstand a “6+” quake only apply to VERTICAL shaking


TEPCO vaguely cites the ability to resist “6+” on the Japanese seismic scale. We received a first hand report from someone who attended a public meeting with TEPCO that this is not the full extent of the story on seismic stability. When pressed TEPCO admitted the “seismic 6″ is only vertical shaking and not horizontal shaking. They also admitted they do not have a staged plan to deal with the potential for a fuel fire in the spent fuel pool if it were to devolve to the point where water could not be used. TEPCO’s statement was that they had a water crane standing by. There was no mention of having any other fire fighting substances. Gundersen also cites this issue of no alternative fire fighting for unit 4, in a recent video where he spoke with Green Action Japan.

The admission that the quake testing does not take horizontal shaking into the equation is critial [sic]. The west wall already has issues with stability and the building supports to the west of the spent fuel pool are destroyed. These two issues make horizontal movement an issue.


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apparently we are not ALL doomed as I found this little gem which I think is probably true...

There are bacteria that still thrive at 60 sieverts/h, even worms that can sustain 4000 sieverts before they die.
So, long after we are dead, there will still be life on Earth. Thats good to know.



posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Kingston Ontario left his geiger out in the rain yesterday, on the 4th. Spike to 5763 CPM.



This is a reading taken at a recreational camp for kids, in Minamisoma. (my friend's posting from her friend) The comments translated: 518.2microSv/hr.




posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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The damage and the fallout is done



posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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No, it isn't. Fukushima keeps pumping out more everyday. It's not done. Not by a long shot, in fact, it's barely started.



posted on Sep, 5 2012 @ 11:40 PM
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Originally posted by Iron7
The damage and the fallout is done





I will give ya a chance please provide some proof of what you are saying.
And please nothing from the poor brainwashed Japanese.




The simple truth is we have no idea what is going on because Tepco is filled with lying criminals. And the people of Japan are very good at one thing and that is blindly following. They would make perfect cult members.



posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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I guess with 280 billion in the bank they still couldn't get credit?
Tepco didn’t have enough cash to buy essential supplies as Fukushima reactors melted down.
enenews.com...
We all know what a hassle it is going into Asahi, so I'll post the article.
September 05, 2012
THE ASAHI SHIMBUN

Operators could have prevented two meltdowns at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant last year if the site had more powerful emergency equipment and if supervisors had been able to more directly command workers, according to an analysis of staff teleconference videos by The Asahi Shimbun.
Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. was late in obtaining additional fire engines, crews and fuel, and at one point ran short of essential supplies because it apparently lacked the ready cash with which to buy them, according to the videos released by the company, which show conversations between plant staff and managers in Tokyo as the reactors overheated.
In one case, fire engines summoned to the plant instead drove to another, 10 kilometers away. About 18 hours after TEPCO officials decided to dispatch those vehicles, one official explained: "It was pitch-black. Drivers could not confirm if they were on the right road so they turned back."
On March 11, 2011, a 9.0-magnitude earthquake and tsunami knocked out cooling systems at the plant, causing reactors 1, 2 and 3 to overheat and their fuel rods to collapse in a molten heap inside the reactor pressure vessels.
Operators could only act by opening main steam safety relief valves to release the pressure and let fire engines spray water inside.
Those valves required power from 10 12-volt automotive batteries connected in series. But on the morning of March 13 there were insufficient batteries at the plant.
Then on March 14 water was the problem. Although the plant stands on Japan's Pacific shore, it had no fire engines capable of pumping water over the 10-meter elevation from the ocean. Instead, engineers cooled reactors 1 and 3 by pumping pools of seawater left by the tsunami. The pools shrank, and at 1:10 a.m. on March 14, water pumping ceased.
The No. 2 reactor was left overheating for longer because engineers were unable to find a water source to begin cooling work.
The videos show TEPCO depended upon an affiliate to provide crews for fire engines and other heavy machinery. Crisis management was hampered by the inability to give direct orders to those staff.
At 7:30 a.m. on March 13, senior crisis managers at TEPCO headquarters decided to dispatch fire engines from conventional thermal power plants in the Tokyo metropolitan area, roughly 200 kilometers away.
But TEPCO was unable to marshal the crews directly because they worked for Nanmei Kosan, a TEPCO affiliate responsible for fire engines at its power plants.
The delay continued early the next morning.
Fire trucks from one plant drove to the wrong location, reaching the comparatively undamaged Fukushima No. 2 power plant instead of the crisis-hit No. 1 plant. At 3:01 a.m. on March 14, a TEPCO official at company headquarters said the driver had been unable to navigate at night.
TEPCO executive Sakae Muto shot back: "I understand passenger cars had no problem getting there." Muto, an executive vice president, was among managers gathered at the government's nuclear disaster control center in the vicinity of the No. 1 plant.
Then, at 3:05 a.m., a member of the control center staff reported a problem with the Nanmei Kosan crews.
"They are getting nervous, worried that radiation levels are extremely high," he said, and urged managers to ease the crews' concerns.
"Officials at TEPCO headquarters should explain that the work does not involve risk," he said. "But I think it important, too, that our most senior managers talk directly to the company and kindly ask for cooperation."
At 3:15 a.m., the TEPCO headquarters told the site: "You, too, should begin a polite discussion with Nanmei Kosan. We are in the middle of doing so with its main office."
Two minutes later, the headquarters added: "Nanmei Kosan has awoken its employees and is telling them, 'Get going now! Don't look, just do it.' "
At 3:22 p.m. on March 14, an official at the TEPCO headquarters asked Masao Yoshida, plant chief, if the site needed additional fire engine operators, saying four at the Hirono thermal plant were available.
"Yes, we need them very much," Yoshida replied in a forced tone of voice.
Four employees of Nanso Service, a Nanmei Kosan subsidiary, came to the rescue.
Yoshida later said TEPCO had no choice but to ask for help.
"We cannot even handle fire engine pumps without Nanmei Kosan," he said on the afternoon of March 14.
TEPCO was facing a crisis in getting the necessary equipment and goods to the plant.
On the morning of March 13, TEPCO began discussing whether it needed to establish a logistics base.
Continued.......



posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 01:08 AM
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Continued.....
The government’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency briefed it about radiation and told TEPCO to prepare to send extra vehicles and staff into the precautionary exclusion zone.
One possible site for a base was J-Village, a soccer training facility in Naraha, about 9 kilometers south of the plant.
But this was adjacent to the Fukushima No. 2 plant, which suffered a partial power loss after the tsunami, and, at that time, a precautionary exclusion zone stretched beyond the soccer center.
They finally settled on the Onahama coal center, a TEPCO storage base within Onahama port, 60 km from the No. 1 plant.
At 10:15 a.m. on March 13, it was reported that 800 liters of gasoline were on their way to the coal center.
But a problem arose. TEPCO could not secure trucks and drivers to transport the fuel any farther because of fears over radiation.
The fuel reached Onahama, and there it stayed.
Confusion continued on March 14, when at 8:50 p.m., it was reported that the plant had still received no gasoline.
“Wasn’t it arranged that gasoline would be delivered to the plant?” asked Akio Takahashi, a senior official at TEPCO headquarters, in a surprised tone.
An official at headquarters in charge of transport said 17 barrels with a 200-liter capacity had been fixed for delivery. But he said the gasoline was still sitting in Onahama.
Takahashi pressed for details and the official replied: “I will find out.”
TEPCO headquarters reported the gasoline barrels were stuck in Onahama because no trucks were available to transport the gasoline.
“It has not left yet,” an official said. “We were told there were no trucks, but we will get it there.”
Still the other main transport problem persisted: getting water to the overheated reactors.
TEPCO turned to Japan's Self-Defense Forces.
But on March 13, the SDF stayed out of the plant. “SDF members headed to the plant with water yesterday (March 12) at our request, but they returned after seeing the explosion," explained a TEPCO official at 9:15 a.m., referring to a hydrogen explosion at the No. 1 reactor building. "They received high radiation doses after being exposed to radioactivity and contamination."
At 1:25 p.m., TEPCO headquarters reported that the SDF informed it of conditions it must meet if it wanted troops to help at either plant. TEPCO employees would have to come to the nearby government response center, to brief the troops and let them judge what gear and equipment to take.
By March 14, the situation at the No. 1 plant had not improved.
TEPCO received a report that seven SDF tankers, carrying 35 tons of water in all, arrived at the plant at 10:57 a.m.
Four minutes later, a hydrogen explosion ripped apart the No. 3 reactor building. Four SDF members were injured.
At 1:41 a.m. on March 14, a TEPCO headquarters official handling contact with government ministries and agencies began speaking with these words: “We’ve got something urgent.”
It was about NISA’s repeated instruction to inject water into the No. 2 reactor.
Water injection there was under way early on March 14 because the core cooling system, called the isolation cooling system, had pumps that could function without batteries.
But the pumps might soon shut down.
NISA officials wanted TEPCO to switch as soon as possible to the injection of water from outside sources.
There arose a serious obstacle to letting that happen: There was little seawater available nearby in pools, and the fire engine pumps at the plant were incapable of pumping seawater from the ocean because they had insufficient power to lift water over the 10-meter elevation from sea level.
So operators used what seawater was available in pools left by the tsunami, and at 3 a.m. on March 14, Muto and Yoshida discussed ways of pumping it from the ocean below.
“Can’t we, for example, lift seawater by putting many fire engines in a line?” Muto suggested.
Work to do that got under way at 9:05 a.m. on March 14 when large fire engines from thermal plants in the metropolitan area arrived and were connected in series.
(This article was compiled from reports by Toshihiro Okuyama, Takashi Sugimoto and Hideaki Kimura.)
ajw.asahi.com...



posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 01:12 AM
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And the people of Japan are very good at one thing and that is blindly following.
Haha - and you think that the rest of the world is not also good at blindly following?

What about the advertisements on TV, they only have to repeat the name of the product 3x with the image of people enjoying using it and everyone flocks to buy it. Same with elections across the globe everywhere.

Why do you think there are millions spent on advertising? or "programming" as I like to call it. If we thought about our purchases more, the world would not be in the state it is because we would be buying the things we needed rather than the things we wanted.

It is a general waking-up of the worlds populations that we need, not highlighting one or two particular cultures which have historically developed in a more traditional way. :-)



posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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Some Pretty Good Smoking...





- Purple Chive



posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 05:19 AM
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TEPCO Video Release



Trying to figure out the clog...

"Inspection Inside the Treated Water Buffer Tank"

At the end of video - the water mark....way down....

photo.tepco.co.jp...

What the Water Buffer Tank is:
www.tepco.co.jp...

Also this on Japanese site only --- Pics of clogged filters and pipes for refrigeration system:
photo.tepco.co.jp...

- Purple Chive
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posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by Purplechive

Originally posted by Purplechive

Unit 1: Something Up With Nitrogen Injection



But Zero readings of hydrogen buildup in Unit 1:

System A:0.00vol% System B:0.00vol% (as of 11:00 , 9/4 )

www.tepco.co.jp...

- Purple Chive


Yes...a problem....hydrogen jumped up to:

System A:0.54vol% System B:0.54vol% (as of 11:00 , 9/5 )


And Kr-85 found at 948 bq/cm 3.

- Purple Chive


Follow up:

Got hydrogen down a bit:

System A:0.38vol% System B:0.38vol% (as of 11:00 , 9/6 )


www.tepco.co.jp...

Glad able to make improvement...but BIG and QUICK spike in hydrogen level and still rather high...disconcerting. Wonder where and how much of the Kr-85 (948 bq/per cubic centimeter) they "pushed out" went?


- At 10:30 AM on September 4, in order to examine the case of the intermittent increase in hydrogen density and noble gas (Krypton-85) density measured by Unit 1 RCV gas control system, we injected the nitrogen to the upper part of the pressure suppression chamber in which hydrogen is supposed to be accumulated from the nitrogen injection line laid on the 1st floor of reactor building, and pushed out the accumulating hydrogen and the Krypton-85. We accordingly started confirming the presence of hydrogen and Krypton-85 at the upper part of the pressure suppression chamber utilizing the gas control system. At 4:37 PM on the same day, we stopped the nitrogen injection to the upper part of the pressure suppression chamber. The hydrogen density of Unit 1 RCV was 0.54% as a result of this work (as of 11:00 AM on September 5). Since it is below the flammability limit (4%), there is no problem.


www.tepco.co.jp...

- Purple Chive
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posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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fire look-a-like :


helicopter fly-by:



posted on Sep, 6 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by qmantoo
Yes... what has happend to Z? Have the Men In Black got to him? Hope not. Maybe a short rest in the hills perhaps?



The abrupt and prolonged absence of Z is peculiar.

Hope you're doing OK Z and didn't bite the dust!! A quick "Howdy" on the thread would be comforting.

Watch out for the errant beeping folks...

Dossier.

Yeeeeeee!!! Haaaawww!!!!

- Purple Chive



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