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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 04:55 PM
A PDF on the the problems with the crane at the communal pool.

And this one is a real roller coaster. Some info on Daini, water jumping from pool to pool at #4 Daiichi, and other goodies.

posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 07:42 PM


[color=Cyan]The total number of days between Friday, March 11, 2011 and Friday, December 23, 2011 is 287 days.

[color=Chartreuse]The radiation poisoning of we, the people, our children, pets, food, water and our land
has continued unabated - 24/7/365

- for 9 months, 12 days ... which is:

• 24,796,800 seconds
• 413,280 minutes
• 6,888 hours
• 41 weeks

One again, are we any closer to a solution to the Fukushima multiple melt-throughs disaster/fiasco spewing life-altering clouds of radiation 24/7/365

And now for something completely different:

19 December 2011
Hosono Says Fukushima Plant Is in ‘Equivalent of Cold Shutdown'

Goshi Hosono

Tokyo Electric Power Co.'s crippled reactors in Fukushima are in a state “equivalent to cold shutdown” even though the definition would be different in the case of an undamaged plant, Goshi Hosono, the minister in charge of responding to the disaster, said today.

‘[color=Cyan]We understand that there is a difference between the cold shutdown state for a normal nuclear reactor and the state of cold shutdown that we have achieved at Fukushima Dai-Ichi,’ Hosono told reporters in Tokyo.

'The goal is to have nuclear fuel where it is kept in a cold state and to ensure that radioactive materials are not emitted. That is the whole point of the cooling system that we have in place.'


Cold shutdown doesn't apply to melted reactors.

In-your-face NUKESPEAK!

There is no way to peaceably win this war when the opponents keep moving the goalposts and changing the rules of the game in mid-play.

Feeling somewhat frustrated and helpless, we wonder what do we do now?

How to channel all this pent-up frustration and intense energy?

Perhaps we go to the “end,” the radioactive waste?

Beginning premise:

[color=Salmon]Creating additional radioactive waste on a daily basis with no solution in sight is foolhardy at best.

Such myopia should be called what it REALLY is: Criminal Negligence.

In 1987 Congress designated Yucca Mountain as the future repository for all nuclear waste in this country. Yucca Mountain is inside a government nuclear test site in the Nevada desert. 

So far, over $9 billion has been spent constructing an intricate maze of underground tunnels and chambers designed to house nuclear waste safely for at least a million years. 

Yucca Mountain has been designed as a specialized storage center to keep nuclear waste safely contained in an underground facility deep inside a mountain, long after the material is believed safe and no longer radioactive.

The storage center is on a military base almost one hundred miles from civilization (and that's Las Vegas, for what it's worth), in the middle of the Nevada desert.

Due in part to its complexity, the site wasn’t expected to receive any nuclear waste until 2020. Currently, all such waste is being stored in temporary facilities. 

One more thing…Yucca Mountain is the only long term nuclear waste site this country has.

How temporary is temporary?

But Yucca Mountain is not going to be the long term nuclear waste site!

[color=Chartreuse]FULL STOP!

The radioactive waste musical chairs game has ended - the music has stopped - and the waste is where it is for the foreseeable future.

What part of this fiasco is difficult to understand?

One might wonder where all that nuclear waste is today, and is it stable enough to reside where it is for perhaps decades - or eternity?

Closing Yucca Mountain will leave 130,000 metric tons of nuclear waste stranded at 131 different sites spread across 39 states. The federal government will be at risk of breach-of-contract lawsuits for breaking agreements with utility companies.

Some estimates indicate the potential for the Obama DOE could incur more than 50 billion dollars of legal liability in the case.

"You can do all the recycling in the world, but you are still going to be left with a residue that has to be stored somewhere, preferably underground. You’ve got this residue. Where are you going to put it?"

Mitch Singer, a spokesperson for the nuclear energy industry.

To be continued ...

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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 07:42 PM

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According to an article on, "Currently, 70,000 tons of radioactive waste are stored at more than 100 nuclear sites around the country, and 2,000 tons are added every year."

How is all this stuff being stored today? 

Expended nuclear waste is typically kept in special canisters stored above ground and constructed of concrete, steel, and lead at the reactor's plants, which generate them as a temporary solution.

[color=Cyan]The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has certified the expected lifespan of these containers to be ninety years, though how that number was determined is unclear.

Nuclear energy didn't exist ninety years ago, and therefore nuclear waste hasn't been kept in one of these containers for ninety years to test the theory.


Why would Obama close the only viable answer to long-term storage of nuclear waste while he simultaneously calls for additional nuclear power plants?

Nuclear waste piling up faster than solutions can be dreamed

In 1987, Washington unilaterally decided the waste was going to Yucca without seriously considering other potential sites. Not surprisingly, Nevada citizens have railed against the top-down plan ever since. 

If the government doesn’t bow to pressure and reverse its decision, US nuclear waste planners will be going back to the drawing board for what promises to be another very prolonged and expensive exercise.

So, what’s the real deal?

The root reason the waste problem isn't solved is technical. Since radioactive emissions are strong enough to destroy ANY container, the "technical" problem will NEVER be solved.

New alloys, new crystal structures, microbes that eat radioactive waste, vitrification -- all worthless. Rocketing the waste into space, subduction zones in the sea, deep holes -- won't work either.

And, it seems that nobody wants the stuff in their back yard.

On December 20, 2011, The First Nations of the North Shore Tribal Council strongly rejected the prospect of the North Shore of Lake Huron becoming a site for the long-term storage of nuclear waste for the Nuclear Waste Management Organization (NWMO).
Elliot Lake has a long history of uranium mining that resulted in the boom and bust of the city, as well as significant and lasting environmental damage to the local watershed and nearby ceremonial grounds.

“We cannot idly stand by and watch as they inject Mother Earth with this cancer,” says Chief Lyle Sayers, chairman of the North Shore Tribal Council. “We must ensure that the future natural resources of this area are there for our children, generations to come, and businesses alike.”

The half-life of this material is hundreds of thousands of years old and could impact generation after generation.

No site can ever be totally safe for nuclear waste storage.

Let’s follow the money.

In 1982, the Congress passed the Nuclear Waste Policy Act, which required the Department of Energy to safely and permanently dispose of spent nuclear fuel no later than January 1998.

The Act also created the Nuclear Waste Trust Fund, which required ratepayers, through their electricity bills, to pay for the safe transportation and disposal of spent nuclear fuel.

Almost 30 years ago, Uncle Sam entered into a contract with utilities to dispose of their nuclear waste beginning in 1998.  That disposal was supposed to happen at Yucca Mountain.  Under the law, all nuclear facilities were required to pay an annual fee to the nuclear waste trust fund to cover the cost of Yucca Mountain.

When the federal government missed the 1998 deadline, utilities sued the government to recover their costs incurred in storing the waste.  So far, according to federal officials, it will cost the government some $16.2 billion to pay the legal judgments entered against the government…[color=FDD017]assuming  there will be a completed federal disposal site by 2020.

There is a small problem, though…the $25 billion fund does not exist. 

To be continued ...

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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 07:42 PM

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There is a small problem, though…the $25 billion fund does not exist. 

All of the fees collected in excess of the costs of building the Yucca Mountain facility,
instead of being placed in a trust fund, were simply spent by the government as quickly as
they were received.

As a result, a group of state regulators and the Nuclear Energy Institute, a trade organization, are suing the Department of Energy, seeking to suspend collection of the annual fees utilities pay into the waste fund.  "There’s no sense paying a fee if you are not getting a program for it," said NEI’s Steven Kraft...

One might extrapolate that idea and think,"There's no sense paying a fee if you are not getting what was promised from it..."

One might ask if we ever get our money back - or a credit on our power bill - when these nukes are not built.

Check this out:

Does your power bill have this "Nuclear Construction Cost Recovery" fee and is it the same 5.8619% of base bill calculations?

The nuke folks have a sweet deal: the customers pay the construction costs up-front and the USGOV/DOE (theoretically) is responsible for long term storage of this hideous radioactive waste.

April Fool's - the utilities are now stuck with what they already have on site and what they generate on a daily basis.

Do you have one of these de facto long term storage facilities in your back yard?

Locations of Spent Nuclear Fuel and High-Level Radioactive Waste Destined for Geologic Disposal

And this:

U.S. Nuclear Manufacturing and/or Waste Sites

These are sites where nuclear materials have been manufactured and/or where waste has been stored, and where massive leaks, toxic emissions, or unexplained losses have occurred in the processing of nuclear and other toxic materials. Listed with the site is the type of toxic or radioactive leak or "loss."

Oak Ridge, TN - mercury, other heavy metals, nuclear (uranium, waste), dioxin
Barnwell, SC - nuclear (waste)
Hanford, Richland, WA - nuclear (plutonium, waste)
Rocky Flats, Colorado - nuclear (plutonium)
Idaho Falls, ID - nuclear (plutonium)
Pantex, TX - nuclear (tritium)
Maxey Flats, KY - nuclear (waste)
West Valley, NY - nuclear (waste)
Nuclear Metals, Concord, MA - nuclear (uranium)
Kerr-McGee, Cimarron, OK - nuclear (plutonium)

The Oak Ridge and Hanford facilities stand out among them as being among the largest leaks of toxic and/or radioactive waste in the world. At Oak Ridge, literally millions of pounds of mercury have leaked into the ground, the aquifer, and a streambed that then winds many miles through the Tennesee countryside and through several towns...

To be continued ...

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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 07:42 PM

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch:

Every day, there is more waste, more radioactive pollution, such as tritium, which is killing our citizens, and more of the "ignoble seven" whose daughter products include noble gases, which are freely released by nuclear power plants in copious quantities.

The "ignoble seven" are: Technetium-99, Tin-126, Selenium-79, Zirconium-93, Cesium-135, Palladium-107, and Iodine-129.

All have half-lives > 200,000 years.

Someone seems to have missed the elephant in the room.

All nuclear power plants need to be closed NOW.

They are old, corroded, embrittled, dilapidated and their employees have repeatedly abdicated their responsibilities - from proper training, to doing their fire rounds, to numerous problems with top management, to not giving a damn about possible irreversible catastrophe only ONE accident away, and so on.

Every day the plants run, they increase the total risk, the total cost, the immediate risk, and the immediate cost -- costs in terms of health effects around the plants, and delayed costs from accidents or just from fuel storage.

Even if we stop making nuclear waste, every movement of the fuel entails enormous risk. And there will be tens of thousands of shipments from all around the country.


But what, when, how and where?

Scientists don't know.

Each trip is a terrorist's best friend and a sane person's worst nightmare.

When the music stopped, radioactive waste appears to be where it will stay for the foreseeable future.

Let us go back in history a couple of years in an attempt to understand this nuclear waste shell game.

19 May 2009
Billions in tax dollars found buried in Nevada Cave

If you think anyone in Washington gives a damn about your money, listen to how they have wasted it, and will continue to waste it, because of "politics."

Taxpayers have spent more than $10 billion dollars digging a hole in a mountain in Nevada where the nation's nuclear waste was supposed to go.

The Yucca Mountain project has been underway for nearly three decades.

In 1987, Congress even passed a law explicitly directing waste from the nation's nuclear power plants would start arriving in Yucca Mountain in by the late 1990's.

So far, not one single radioactive isotope has made its way to Yucca, and probably never will.

President Obama, making good on a promise to Senate Majority Leader (and not-in-my-backyard-of-Nevada) Harry Reid, has effectively killed any future for the Yucca Mountain facility. More than $10 billion dollars of scientific study, engineering and congressional spending has just been thrown into a hole in the ground.

But Yucca Mountain is not officially dead, and here is where the real arrogance of wasting your money comes in.

Even the President cannot kill the project because, remember, the project is law.

According to the federal government, the government is required to build Yucca Mountain and accept the waste.

Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) would like to change that law, but without an option for where all this waste will go, it may be hard to get the votes.

So what to do?

Keep Yucca Mountain on life-support while you spend money looking for another alternative. President Obama plans to do just that by spending $197 million dollars in the 2010 budget, essentially to pay people to do nothing.

Out at Yucca Mountain, there will be a staff getting paid, proceeding with licensing and other odds and ends, [color=Cyan]knowing all along that the project has no future.

It's pure politics that has already cost you and me $10 billion dollars and now $197 million more.

Let's hope they don't carve out more of Yucca Mountain to stuff with dollar bills.

To be continued ...

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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 07:43 PM

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... 41 weeks ago ...

And this from only a week before the world changed.

3 March 2011
As U.S. Moves Ahead with Nuclear Power, No Solution for Radioactive Waste

President Obama has won wide bipartisan support for his determination to revive American nuclear power — a low-carbon energy solution that electric utilities and conservatives can support.

But a pair of legal actions last month could complicate matters for Washington by forcing the Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) to address [color=Cyan]a longstanding and almost intractable problem: How and where to store the highly radioactive waste.

For many, the separate suits by state attorneys general and environmental groups raise fresh questions over why America is pouring billions into a nuclear renaissance with [color=Salmon]no long-term strategy for handling waste from the nation's existing facilities.

[color=Chartreuse]The waste problem is the Achilles heel of the nuclear industry,’ said Daniel Hirsch, president of the Committee to Bridge the Gap, a California-based nuclear watchdog...

In December 2010, NRC changed the rule, doubling the amount of time that waste can be stored on-site from 30 years after a plant goes out of service to 60 years. Now, it appears the agency might double that again.

In an interview with SolveClimate News, NRC spokesperson Neil Sheehan said [color=Cyan]a plan was underway to allow the high-level waste to be stored on-site for over 120 years...

At Indian Point, one of the oldest reactors in the country, 30 tons of enriched uranium radioactive waste is produced every 18 months, most of which is crammed into 40-foot deep pools at each of the two reactors.

Notable Quotes
"The Nuclear Regulatory Commission has ranked Indian Point ‘in terms of potential human consequences as the No. 1 site in the nation."

-- Robert Stephan, Homeland Security's Assistant Secretary for Infrastructure Protection reported in the Journal News, March 23, 2006

Indian Point is "one of the most inappropriate sites in existence" for a nuclear plant.
--Robert Ryan, Nuclear Regulatory Commission staff member in 1979

Back to Indian Point:

Currently, each pool holds about 1,000 tons of radioactive waste. An additional 1,500 tons are stored in 15 dry casks on an open tarmac surrounded by barbed wire and a surveillance tower.

Remember that number: 100 tons per dry cask.

Across the country, 50,000 metric tons of waste was produced through the end of 2003, according to a 2005 report by the National Research Council. The nonprofit Union of Concerned Scientists predicts that by 2015 there will be over 75,000 metric tons of radioactive waste stored at temporary sites.

Indian Point will close in 2035, if it gets relicensed. Under the new waste storage rule, [color=Cyan]spent fuel would be stored there until 2095, and could remain on-site well into the 22nd century if the rule extends to 120 years.

And yet, the beat goes on...

22 December 2011
Nuke regulators bless reactor design amid Capitol Hill cheers, jeers

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission on Thursday approved the amended design for the Westinghouse AP1000, a reactor that several power companies intend to use for building the first new US nuclear plants in decades.

More Nukespeak, blah, blah, blah...

“The design provides enhanced safety margins through use of simplified, inherent, passive, or other innovative safety and security functions, and also has been assessed to ensure it could withstand damage from an aircraft impact without significant release of radioactive materials,” NRC Chairman Gregory Jaczko said in a statement.

... “significant release of radioactive materials.”

Is there a number attached to significant?

Is that like being a little bit pregnant?

What does that number equate to in "collateral damage" - human lives?

To be continued...

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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 07:43 PM

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Utility giant Southern Co. is using the AP1000 for its project to build two new reactors at its Vogtle site in Georgia.

"This is another key milestone for the Vogtle project and the nation's nuclear renaissance,” said Southern Co. CEO Thomas A. Fanning.

The Southern Co. project that has won a [color=Cyan]conditional $8.3 billion Energy Department loan guarantee but still awaits a final NRC license...

One might offer that if insurance and satisfactory waste disposal matters were a prerequisite to licensing, there would not be any more nuclear power plants built in America.

And on the day before the world changed:

10 March 2011
Double attack on US nuclear waste fees

(...) Funding for Yucca Mountain has come from a levy of 0.1 cents per kWh of nuclear power, which currently adds up to about $770 million per year. Nuclear utilities - and therefore their customers - have now paid a total of over $31 billion into the Nuclear Waste Fund.

The government was supposed to use this money to create a permanent nuclear waste disposal site by 1998.

Around $7 billion was spent and much progress made, but Yucca was cut off from funding in May 2009 by President Barack Obama and energy secretary Stephen Chu.

But, that was then and this is now.

Where, oh where is the waste going now? Is any of it being trucked around the country to a location different from the nuclear facility where the waste was generated? Ya think?

Having submitted an 8600-page application to build Yucca Mountain under President George Bush and his energy secretary Sam Bodman, the DOE under direction from Chu and Obama moved to withdraw it in May. Spending on Yucca is now set at the absolute minimum level, while the [color=Cyan]$24 billion balance of the fund remains with the US Treasury earning substantial compound interest of over $1 billion per year.

Let's see...that's a couple billion there should be about $26 billion available.

How does one actually verify that this is a correct and true amount and where is the entry on the ledger?

Is it really there?

If not, would not that be something to investigate, identify the perpetrators and persecute, errrrr, prosecute, to the fullest extent of the law?

Here is where Obama made sure the process is still in process with no real movement regarding the safe disposal of radioactive waste.

Why are the power companies allowed to utilize this "to cheap to meter" power source?

This, however, was rejected by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission's independent Atomic Safety and Licensing Board (ASLB). The DoE had no right to substitute its own ideas in place of those legislated by Congress, said the ASLB, and is bound by law to complete its work at Yucca Mountain unless Congress acts to supercede the previous legislation.

"Completing the work" at Yucca Mountain means exactly what?

Does that imply that the money is conveniently tied up by legalize and not available to whatever entity is charged with the work?

In the meantime, Obama has created a 'Blue Ribbon' commission on radioactive waste management. It is hearing evidence from a range of stakeholders on waste management methods including reprocessing, recycling and the use of burner reactors as well as the widely accepted geologic disposal method as proposed for Yucca Mountain.

What the hell have they been doing for the past 50 years if not investigating the above?

And this bit of DoubleSpeak from Energy Secretary Steven “Nukee” Chu yesterday:

Chu calls reactor design approval ‘important milestone’

Energy Secretary Steven Chu is happy that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has approved Westinghouse’s AP1000 nuclear reactor design, which is slated for use at an Energy Department-backed nuclear power plant in Georgia.

Chu’s praise for the design approval underscores [color=Cyan]Obama administration support for new nuclear power plants, a position at odds with some environmental groups.

[color=Chartreuse]‘The Administration and the Energy Department are committed to restarting America’s nuclear industry...” Chu said in a statement Thursday.

The game is on.

What say you?

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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 09:56 PM
I cleaned up a screen cap of the reactors, the best I could. Number 3 has blown and the north wall of #4 looks fine. No folded wall? Also this looks like it's from the same cam as the India news film showng the vertical mushroom cloud at #4.

A film from March 15th. A Second fire at #4. North-east corner. Mid-day too...Hmmmmm..

posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Purplechive

Nucklechen Vid...Fuku 03/11/11

Human, can you translate what's on this vid?

PC, incredible score. Im quessing that was an independent fly over by media using night time photography. GR would know what it is. This thing needs to be scrutinized and I hope that if anyone has explanations, even if youve never posted, please offer them. That video is nothing short of amazing, especially this scene (and the opening shot of the southend) This pic raises all kinds of questions.

A) It sure looks like R2, R3 and R4 all have their blow out panels removed. If so, hydrogen or other gas explosions in 3 and 4 can be forgotten. Does anyone have photos of the east walls between the EQ and after R4 blew. Im really scratching my head as I was pretty sure I had some but cant find them.
B) What is the flame looking thing doing coming out of what appears to be the switching yard?
C) Why does it look like something has already happened to R1?

Or am I hallucinating and the blow out panels were known to be gone and it doesnt matter. Ive got brain data overload.
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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 11:01 PM
reply to post by Aircooled

And another great score AC. Little by little it all begins to make sense.

posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 05:34 AM

Now a 104mm Water Decrease in Unit 2...

And the circulating cooling system of the Spent Fuel Pool is still suspended...and temp rising...from 22.4 yesterday to 26.3 today...

And four days now without reporting detailed report for Unit 2 water level and pressure....but they have been reporting Unit 1 and 3 as usual.

And this doesn't make sense...they are actually adding water to Unit 2 from Unit 1...and Unit 2 water level is still dropping that quickly?

At 4:07 pm on December 23, we started transfer of accumulated water from basement floor of the Turbine Building of Unit 1 to the basement floor of the Turbine Building of Unit 2.

And yeah Z, blow out panels removed....did anyone see that in TEPCO's reports?

- Purple Chive

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posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 06:42 AM
Yesterday I had the pleasure of experiencing multiple 5-6 magnitude quakes. The strongest quake was the last one, mag 6.0, 5km deep and about 50km away from my position. When it hit, it was much harder than the 5.8 (which was 10km deep). The initial wave made me shoot out of my seat as it suprised me so much! It came so fast there was no 'train rumbling' sound that accompanied the rest of them. As I headed for outside (fearing the worst), I was nearly knocked to the ground, I dropped my cellphone but kept my sandwiches on my plate like a boss.
While nearly being knocked over it was very hard to see due to violent body/head movement, imagine someone shaking you so violently that you are like a rag doll. I've been lifting weights 3-4x a week for 6 years and there was nothing I could do to steady myself against the quake. You truely feel helpless.
That said, it was a rush! What a ride! After the initial, violent waves pass, you feel slow 'up and down' bobbing like the beach, everything is cracking and creaking around you. Imagine the ground is the sea and you are a boat - it is the same feeling, these slow waves occur for quite some time. The aftershocks are often like this, while typing this post we have had 2 small bumps.
Quite a decent part of Christchurch experienced liquifaction and further damage to some buildings. No deaths. Many services were out too, malls closed etc. One interesting thing is that some parts said the 5.8 hit harder, others (like us) got nailed by the 6.0 more... very interesting how over a 30-40km distance the damage will change so much.

If a mag6 at 5km depth, 50km distance is that violent (similar distance to fuku - tohuku quake as well) then I can only imagine what a mag 8.9 at 10km must be like - truely frightening. I do also wonder about the damage in Japan caused by the quake, most of the roads around christchurch are buggered again, didn't see so much of that coming from Japan but I'm not there to guage it for myself. Also differences in geology will contribute. CHCH is on a river plain, sediment mostly and some clay (the lucky people like us) with a very large amount of undeground water, which causes the most damage and hassle afterwards. Plus they probably engineer things much more soundly in Japan, other than nuclear reactors!

Originally posted by zworld
Welcome Vince. Number 2 is an interesting thought. The movement or jerking to the left, both when it first goes light, and again when it readjusts, is odd to me too. I initially thought someone bumped or moved the cam causing a lens flare, but the fact that the second jerk mirrors the first and isnt a lensflare is peculiar. It would be interesting know what a frame by frame turns up.

It would also be interesting to match the time of the flash with the Tepco web cam and see what it shows

Eeek I forgot to explain the reason for the jerk. On a 30km telephoto shot, if you touch the camera to adjust something (e.g. exposure in this video) the frame will move about 50% or more depending. Or walk past the camera on a deck.. or wind etc. If you would like I can replicate this video tomorrow to prove this.

Originally posted by zworld
Another old reactor that's showing signs of deteriorating

FUKUOKA (Kyodo) -- The reactor vessel of the aging No. 1 unit at the Genkai nuclear power plant in Saga Prefecture was found to contain a high amount of copper, an impure substance, compared with other reactors operated by Kyushu Electric Power Co., officials of the utility said Wednesday.

Some experts say a high content rate of copper could speed up the deterioration of a nuclear reactor vessel every time it is showered by neutrons when nuclear fission occurs.

The steel vessel of the 559,000-kilowatt unit, which began operating in 1975, contains 0.12 percent of copper, about 6.6 times the amount of 0.018 percent in the No. 3 unit whose operation began in 1994, the officials said.

A company official explained that under the technology around the time the construction of the No. 1 unit began in 1971, it was not able to remove further impurities from steel to make the reactor vessel.

Kyushu Electric idled the No. 1 unit on Dec. 1 for regular checks.

Emphasis mine.

This means that reactor 1-4 at fukushima will be vulnerable to this also. Perhaps if silverlok is reading he may be able to enlighten us regarding metallurgy/chemisty involved in this. This would probably explain the multitude of much larger than predicted shroud cracks found in various old BWR designs pre-dating 75... So we have these ticking timebombs that literally fall to pieces during nuclear reactions, still in use? What. the. f@#$!

posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 07:42 AM
Qmantoo, excellent work!

Originally posted by zworld

Originally posted by GhostR1der

I find it worrying the amount of symptoms reported in last few weeks,

Good to hear from you again GR. I worry too. There is so little known on the cumulative effect of constant low level irradiation that anything is possible. And the types of illness reported in Japan mirrors symptoms seen in the US in late spring. We'll probably never know the extent however as our protective governments arent protecting us, only big business, and big business doent want anyone to know the level of toxicity of anything they make money from.

Thing that makes me question how bad these accidents are, is that I was an infant when chernobyl occured. They found fallout from it in antarctica. No way I didn't cop some chernobyl or nuke tests in our latitude (frackin french! grrr). So why did we not see a huge increase in infant deaths, cancers and deformities worldwide? This is pre-internet for most general public, could it just be the big brother coverup machine, which was much smoother running back then? That claim of '40% of population having a nuke resistance gene' could encompass this with an explaination. Nuclear radiation is mostly man made but it is there naturally in dust/particle form.. uranium and many other sources. More questions than answers I guess. As we know it is also very hard to pin on them slimey nuclear lackeys!

Thing I find interesting is the speed at which they react. We got them scared. But don't expect them to try and squash or say anything about the rumors of a weapons facility underground, like they do other so called rumors. they dont want it mentioned. Ever.

Definately got 'em running. They must get sick of seeing this thread expand each day. Hi Tepco employees! Is there much flouride and cesium in the water chiller today? You know you want to make an anonymous account via RSA VPN and tell us some juicy goss!
They won't touch a UC with a 500ft lead insulated pole. It will never be mentioned. However if we could get human or someone else into a press conference... all hell could be unleashed with a simple 'there is a body of evidence (perhaps insert best evidence here) which suggests an underground weapon or research facility may be under Fukushima, what do you know about this?'. The highly unusual isotopes detected would probably be a good one for this. Also explaining the complete lack of information on other unusual isotopes.. very few measurements and releases cover more than i131, sr, cs and pu families.

Originally posted by zworld

AC, I noticed something I havent seen before. From the vid above, the last 30 seconds or so, these shots are found. Note how one of the 3 steam columns is coming from the 3rd or 4th floor and out the side of the east wall. Interesting. Does someone have an explanation, or plausible idea.

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What the hell is top left on the 1st shot? Mega gamma strike? Remember the CV cap thermals, with the clouds coming out from each side of the cap or what is left of it? I guess as reactor decay heat was much higher and the wind blowing offshore, these could be plumes from that?

Originally posted by zworld

"Because of the [Fukushima] accident, our relationship has gotten stronger". He also said "The international communities are very interested in how the accident information will be shared", indicating the importance of international information sharing of the accident.

This is nothing short of a plee for Tepco to turn over data so the rest of the world can avoid similar accidents. This also implies that Jaczko and the NRC are still in the dark like everyone else as to what really happened. So all of the other stuff he says is just passing along propaganda, he doesn't really know anything either.
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I also see it as not just accident data from the reactor complex itself but data recovered by private corporations from the people of Japan and its' land. Remember the dosimeters given to fukushima children, donated by a university and collected by a private corp? The data was supposedly collected each month and they have been wearing them since september. Has this data ever surfaced? I can't find it. Surely if it was all safe they would be trumpeting it. So it's not safe, they are not releasing data 2 months later and then for what purpose is this data?

dosimeter deployment article (one of many!)

I think they really want to share data in order to learn how to kill us quickest, these population reduction types don't play the fuzzy 'accident prevention game' for our best interests, that's for sure.

posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 08:42 AM

Originally posted by Ektar

Glad you're back Ghost R....I will have to go back & view the video for possible UFOs....I guess I put the lights aside as Hot particles...since I'm learning everything from this post. Thank you for all your contributions.

I'm glad you and everyone else are still here. I'm that kid at the back of the class that turns up late if at all, shoots paper spitballs and disassembles the teachers whiteboard marker ink cartridge, replacing it with a permanent one, still managing to pass the exam, only just.

However, you'll love this one, I've posted it before but.. right up your alley!

As I said earlier, just watch out on the TBS feed that you are not mistaking waves (white caps) for UFOs. I was convinced for weeks I was seeing UFOs (up until very recently) then I realised the sea was behind the shot. Was feeling a little stupid after that one lol.

Originally posted by zworld
Koriyama 42.85 uSv/h. Thats insane. I know its from sand collected in a drain, and not quite the same, but this is still higher than radiation readings from April 10th at 4 of the 8 monitoring points around Fukushima's perimeter, and the West Gate.

Please share. Save children.
On 23 Dec 2011, I measured radiation at Tsurumidan 2-chome, Koriyama city, Fukushima pref. Japan
The monitorinig place is 60 km from Fukushima Nuclear power plant, and located in housing area of Koriyama city.
The monitor indicates 1.16 micro Sievert per hour in air at chest hight, 5.35 on gargage net, 39.10 on road side sand, around drain outlet cover.
I am afraid that children’s lung may chatch the dust from this sand in dry and windy days

That figure is high and perhaps would not be a good place to rest your foot, however what is concerning me is the air measurement! At chest height, 1.16usv= 10523usv/year or 10.5msv/year. Thats around 5x higher than average exposure using a standard counter. Which means the air is rather radioactive to produce a reading that high on a machine not designed to measure air! No doubt this is just the tip of the iceberg when you use a fancy pants counter, or measure air particle contamination levels via filters. Anyone got any Japanese air filter measurements? We have seen photos of various air filters and the strikes from particles hitting film around Japan and USA but no measurements of flow rate in a scientific experiment other than USA data - 5-10 particles a day for worst parts of accident on eastern US coast.

Originally posted by thorfourwinds

Nice post and info. I wonder which brainiac decided to build it straddled by fault lines? Perhaps that's why the golden savior obama is considering closing it? 9 bill investment and they backed out? The fault lines are sort of like building on crumbling sandstone 'bedrock', supporting an oceanside complex containing 4 ancient nuclear reactors and 2 slightly newer ones. And a plethora of fuel storage pools.. What is up with nuclear energy and a lack of forethought to implementation!?

'Nuclear Construction Cost Recovery' sounds like a deep underground base fund. Gotta love how they are creaming interest off the 24bn fund, using the peons' money as they like.

Originally posted by Aircooled

A film from March 15th. A Second fire at #4. North-east corner. Mid-day too...Hmmmmm..

Amazingly coincidentally close to the largest 'poolium falls'. Oh, and the same day the 80cpm spike (from 17-20 background) was measured in Tokyo. There has been much debate about what these various falls are... this information combined with the absolute lack of any close proximity ground imagery of the SE corner, or eastern side of the building, or even workers around this area, stinks of poo-lium. Sorry.. had to say it

posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 09:44 AM
ZW/AC re: Likely FLIR (forward looking infrared) video. Nuckelchen has edited colours on videos before, which has thrown me off (regarding webcam) previously. In this case the footage closely matches what is seen using millitary thermal cameras, they use black and white to provide better contrast and definition; no colour = more light information. Instability of image suggests a small wingspan drone was used.

I'm not at home and the greyscale reproduction on this screen is not terrifically flash, also the video is not of terrific quality. Initial run through I'm wondering what the crane like, angled object is between R2 and 3. It is emitting something hot at the top. Pre heated water spraying from a boom? Didn't think they had any deployments of the concrete pumps on the 11th!? Firefighters?

How to 'read' FLIR imagery like this: depends on setting. In this case the trees are grey and land has some dark patches. So darker = cooler, white = hot. White can also be reflections of heat (e.g. sun), not necessarily a source. Check out the huge temperature banding in the ocean - hot cooling water leaking from the sea heat exchanger circuit?

Amazing vid AC. I'd love to see the original though, keeping mr nuckelchens' past tutuing in mind and information loss through re-compression. I will perform a frame by frame analysis when I return home, however if anyone wants to pick frames out from this version and we get hold of the original, I can go through and extract them when I'm home in 2 days.

There is definately a whole swag of FLIR videos that are not being released! Found this one on a FLIR pimping page

According to image title it's '380HD', real resolution for saved image is infact 1146x646 - higher than most fukushima videos.
Note the speed and altitude (294kts @ 24kft), it is possibly a jet powered millitary drone. Propellors can begin to be a little inefficient around these speeds, also a standard predator drone (assuming with good FLIR like this it may be US mil tech) tops out around 100knots.. 294 knots is half the speed of sound!
Also note the roads are white - they absorb heat and radiate it back, hot sun on a road and you know all about it in bare feet.
Also if anyone gets time to do this before I do when I wake up - check out the coordinate locations. Left hand side is drone, no way it is right hand side as it would only be 24ft (AMSL or above mean sea level) I assume. Far too low for the angle of the shot. I'd guess that the right hand side coordinates are the launching location (perhaps for auto return if there is a communication failure) or possibly the control centre (or both). I wonder where it is
Also image appears to be from 06/08/11, this is american style as the date of the article displaying the image is june 30th, putting this image at june the 8th, 10:46:02Z or zulu time (local time). If there's any other aviation lingo or other numbers on that screenshot you need translated, please let me know I shall try my best. I have picked out the crucial ones for now.
#2 looks like a kettle about to boil, I guess its higher temperature is because of the structure holding more heat than the 'open containments' on the other reactors. Note 5 and 6 have hot patches too.. R3 has all the heat in the bottom of the building (suprise suprise), #4 seems to have quite uniform heating of the steel structure as does #1. Infront of #3 the CSPF? is looking mighty hot!!

Enjoy the new pic people, I look forward to further analysis when I check again later. I have to sleep so I don't turn into the xmas grouch. This video and digging up more flir stuff is going to keep us busy for a while!

posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 10:00 AM
reply to post by GhostR1der

Regarding your EQ-Report,

the Quake itself destroyed already many Roads, the Tsunami killed the Rest (Bridges)

The majority of the Roads are on the Coast, so nearly every Road got hit,
in the Mountains we have less Roads, mostly only one Expressway and one Shinkansen Line,
this combination created such a big trouble and even F'Shima get affected by this!

I still remember the night and days after the Quake,
i was listening to our News via a Radio on our Evacuation-Ground,
we had left our Home because of my PTSD from the Boxer Day Tsunami,
about the trouble and the fight to return the Power-Supply,
it was like a high tension Roman, sadly we have lost

Glad that the People survived in C'Church

PS. Tomorrow i will check at least 2, on Fukushima-Diary, reported Hot-Spots,
in Minato-Ku and in Shibuya.

I really need to made this Check-Up

posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 10:37 AM

Originally posted by Purplechive

Now a 104mm Water Decrease in Unit 2...

And the circulating cooling system of the Spent Fuel Pool is still suspended...and temp rising...from 22.4 yesterday to 26.3 today...

And four days now without reporting detailed report for Unit 2 water level and pressure....but they have been reporting Unit 1 and 3 as usual.

And this doesn't make sense...they are actually adding water to Unit 2 from Unit 1...and Unit 2 water level is still dropping that quickly?

That definately doesnt make sense. This goes against the water table being as high as I thought it was. A possibility is that R2 is leaking full tilt into the quay again, like it did in May. Another possibility is one that occurred to me sometime ago, and thats that a good chunk of the corium in R2 is still in the PCV, and the water in R2 basement is so hot they are taking it out directly and storing it onsite (I hope as opposed to an early rumor that Tepco was transporting rad water offsite at night and probably dumping somewhere else). Or they could be funneling it to water barges and then dumping it at sea. I wouldnt put the latter past them for one second seeing the concern theyve shown to the people of northern Japan so far.

This is going to have to be added to the mysteries to be solved later file. I have a feeling the video you posted of 3/11/11 is going to eat up alot of time till its worked out.

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posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 11:09 AM

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posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 11:26 AM

Originally posted by GhostR1der
So why did we not see a huge increase in infant deaths, cancers and deformities worldwide?

I think it might have something to do with Dr Bock's theory of the immune system. Dr Kenneth Bock (founder of the School of Progressive Medicine) is one of the most brilliant people weve ever had in the medical professions. His book "The Road to Immunity: How To Survive and Thrive in a Toxic World" is a classic. All his books are.

His immune system theory is so simple its amazing that it hasnt been made more public than it has. Probably because it makes people question everything they eat or drink or breath in in a different fashion and the chemical and synthetic agricultural businesses dont want it known. It goes like this;

The immune system is a huge bucket. Everyday we throw in stuff that should weaken us, ie toxic chemicals, viruses and other bugs, radiation, stress, emotional bummers, and for the most part we stay healthy. Thats because the bucket isn't full. As long as it isnt full the immune system is doing it's job. Then one day the bucket reaches the top, and all it takes is a run in weith an ex or a cigarette or some fumes from a car and bingo, a cancer or some other serious illness is initiated. The immune system cant handle that last straw. And back in the 50s people had more room in their buckets than we do today, with all of the exposure to toxics we endure.

His philosophy is to avoid toxic exposure as much as possible, and learn to over come emotional stress, and anything else that affects the immune system to keep the bucket from reaching the top. And of course the chemical and oil and gas industries hate this theory as they get away with what they produce because they isolate exposure to each individual substance. So much of this is OK, so much of that is OK. Well, no, its not OK if the person has been exposed to too much stuff already. Cumulative exposure and cumulative effects are concepts that the corporations of the world and the WTO fight daily from reaching mainstream consciousness.

Definately got 'em running. They must get sick of seeing this thread expand each day.

Yeah, and for us its a warm and fuzzy feeling. Hahahahahaha. Good morning Tepco, you fugging idiots. (or should I say Jepco (the Japanese Electric Power Co)).

They won't touch a UC with a 500ft lead insulated pole. It will never be mentioned. However if we could get human or someone else into a press conference... all hell could be unleashed with a simple 'there is a body of evidence (perhaps insert best evidence here) which suggests an underground weapon or research facility may be under Fukushima, what do you know about this?'.

Excellent idea. I wonder who we could get to do this. Im sure we could put together a list of mysteries that dont make sense unless a UC exists, and run the whole thing in the question, just to get the idea out there.

Remember the dosimeters given to fukushima children....Has this data ever surfaced?

Good one. Havent heard a word. Which of course means the data aint good. If it was Tepco would make it headline news by now.

ZW/AC re: Likely FLIR (forward looking infrared) video.
Actually that one was PCs discovery, but between the two of them we pertty much got Tepcos arse covered in a sling. Nothing but a bunch of pit bulls we are

In this case the footage closely matches what is seen using millitary thermal cameras, they use black and white to provide better contrast and definition; no colour = more light information. Instability of image suggests a small wingspan drone was used.

wow. Do you think this was a leak from our military? If so, whoever you are, thank you and please keep it up. Your offererings will fall into our hands and be put to good use.

I'm wondering what the crane like, angled object is between R2 and 3. It is emitting something hot at the top. Pre heated water spraying from a boom? Didn't think they had any deployments of the concrete pumps on the 11th!? Firefighters?

Its a head scratcher that one. Im going back over it again this pm frame by frame. Notice also the bright white at the entrance of the CSFP. Hmmmm?
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posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 12:17 PM
Fukushima N-Reactor Cooling System Stopped Manually Before Explosion

Tokyo, Dec. 22 (Jiji Press)--A cooling system for the No. 3 reactor of the crippled nuclear power plant of Tokyo Electric Power Co. was switched off manually, leading to the reactor's explosion three days after the plant was hit by the 9.0-magnitude earthquake and ensuing tsunami on March 11, TEPCO said Thursday.

A worker at the Fukushima No. 1 plant voluntarily stopped the high-pressure coolant injection (HPCI) system, one of emergency cooling apparatuses for the reactor's core, for fear of damage on the system and resulting radiation leaks, TEPCO said.

Instead, the worker tried to cool the core by injecting water using a diesel-powered pump.

But because a valve to release the air pressure inside the reactor failed to work as its battery was dead, water did not enter, and the hydrogen explosion occurred shortly past 11 a.m. on March 14 JST, the company explained.

Previously, TEPCO told that the HPCI system stopped working because its battery ran out.

In its interim report released on Dec. 2, the power utility's in-house investigation team did not mention the shutdown of the system by the worker.

TEPCO spokesman Junichi Matsumoto said Thursday that he does not see any problem in the worker's judgment that the HPCI system would soon become inoperative because the emergency response headquarters was also thinking about a shift in the core cooling system.

But Matsumoto apologized for failing to make sufficient explanations when the interim report was released, though he said he thought it better to disclose the fact after understanding the real intentions of the worker and the headquarters.

TEPCO reported the full results of its investigation to the industry ministry's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency on Thursday.

According to the report, the HPCI system was sending water into the reactor to cool it down using a turbine spun by steam generated inside the reactor after another cooling system broke down shortly past noon on March 12.

But fears had grown that drops in the reactor's temperature would slow the turbine's spinning speed, make its vibration bigger and break the system. In this event, radioactive steam might have leaked from the reactor, it noted.

The system's operation was halted at 2:42 a.m. on March 13.


Copyright 2011 Jiji Press LTD

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