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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by zworld

Originally posted by Human0815
i just want to write about the yokohama case:
until now there is still an investigation going on
because it is possibe that the strontium came there
on the roof in a unnatural way,
we should wait a little bit!


Human, I cant imagine how it could get there other than atmospheric transport.


For exactly this Reason we need to see a further
and more important an Independent Investigation!
We have also two other Reactor there, one in Kawasaki and one in Yokosuka,
when we put this Stuff into an Spectrograph we can see exactly where the Sample come from!

And we have so many People here in Tokyo that everything is possible,
believe me- all the things i never saw i can see here in Tokyo


Ps: look for the Setagaya Case, everything is possible!
edit on 13-10-2011 by Human0815 because: spell




posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by Tallone
Then again I should have added, MSN stories being what they are, a corporate castrated effort before even publication, they didn't say very much. Just that Sr 90 was discovered in a large city. In other words, it adhered to the original cover story by the Japanese government that 'hot spots' are still being discovered. Most, if not all of these stories state the JPN gov will need to verify the findings. Then continue with an implication the source could be "cold-war era" nuclear tests…


None of them want to know whats really going on. Consider this; The worlds nuclear regulatory agencies have spent millions of dollars trying to simulate a severe reactor accident to understand what is being emitted into the environment, especially through atmospheric transport after a meltdown. Data from these studies is then used to set regulatory parameters.

One of the most advanced research projects is called the Phebus Fission Product Program, sponsored by numerous countries including the US. The NRC says this about Phebus;

NRC pbadupws.nrc.gov...


Characterization of the risks associated with nuclear power plants depends on an understanding of fission product release and transport during severe accidents. The PHEBUS-FP experiments simulate the major aspects of a severe accident......The data from these integral tests are valuable for validating and refining the models and computer codes used for reactor accident analysis.

The PHEBUS-FP is an example of a successful international cooperative research program. It has yielded data for the validation and refinement of severe accident analysis computer codes and assessment of the appropriateness of the accident source terms.


One of the concerns NRC has with Phebus is that it is a small scale reaction compared to the real thing. Yet no agency, including the NRC, has tried to get Tepco to analyze the steam emissions from Fukushima. Fukushima could be the worlds greatest teacher of what to expect from 'real world' nuclear plant meltdowns, and none of the so called regulatory agencies are even slightly interested. This alone shows that the whole idea of paying agency people to look out for our interests is a waste of money and time.

Next year NRC will seek more money to study what might happen from a real world nuclear accident using small scale reactions and simulations via Phebus. If they are given the money to do that it would be a crime.



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by zworld
Yet no agency, including the NRC, has tried to get Tepco to analyze the steam emissions from Fukushima. Fukushima could be the worlds greatest teacher of what to expect from 'real world' nuclear plant meltdowns, and none of the so called regulatory agencies are even slightly interested.


I don't understand your Statement,
have a look:

On October 12, 2011, we conducted a nuclide analysis of radioactive materials contained in the air which was collected at the site of Fukushima Daiichi and Daini Nuclear Power Stations. As shown in the attachment, radioactive materials were not detected.

Source:

Something like this is going on since the beginning!

I think they try to get as much Data as possible,
they just saying everything,
Tepco & Friends can't lose anything, only win!
(in a financial Matter because Information is Money)



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Bottles Contain Radium "Self-Luminous" Paint




Science and education ministry inspectors believe the bottles contain radium, a radioactive material used in the past as self-luminous paint for watches, Kyodo News agency reported. It said the inspectors concluded that the radiation was not related to the Fukushima disaster because no cesium was detected in the bottles.


www.sacbee.com...

Frankly, I think it's a crock of Sh!T! Don't want to cause "distress"...

Bunkyo Ward has higher rad readings than Sendai and Setagaya is only a few miles south.

- Purple Chive



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Japan's food radiation limits set too high: Belarusian scientist



TOKYO (Kyodo) -- A visiting Belarusian scientist, who has offered advice to residents affected by the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster, said Wednesday that he believes Japan's food radiation limits have been set too high and urged the nation to lower them to realistic levels.

Vladimir Babenko, deputy director of the Belrad Institute of Radiation Safety in the former Soviet republic, told a press conference in Tokyo that he cannot understand the thresholds designated by the Japanese government for food and beverage products, saying they are much higher than Belarusian standards.

Babenko also criticized the Japanese government for its failure to set special standards for children to better protect them from internal radiation exposure. For example, he pointed out that the limit for radioactive cesium in 1 kilogram of drinking water is set at 200 becquerels in Japan, 20 times as high as the maximum allowable level in Belarus.

The scientist is visiting Japan to promote the Japanese translation of his book about radiation protection. He is scheduled to make a speech in Fukushima Prefecture on Friday.

(Mainichi Japan) October 13, 2011

mdn.mainichi.jp...



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by Dalke07
Japan's food radiation limits set too high: Belarusian scientist


I really want to see who is in control of that in Belarus


The majority of the People there are Country People who are living
from their own Garden and drink the Water from their own Well.

Edit: The Belarus Countries are very well polluted through Tschernobyl
but also 100'ts of other "Accidents"!

I found a interesting File about all this(a pdf.)
foodwatch.de/foodwatch/content/e6380/e45020/e45023/CalculatedFatalitiesfromRadiation_Reportfoodwatch-IPPNW2011-09-20_ger.pdf
edit on 13-10-2011 by Human0815 because: info



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by jadedANDcynical
reply to post by kdog1982
 


In general, I think most people who visit the fragile earth forum are pretty aware, maybe not all of the technical details, but they know the word Fukushima is invective enough to use as a curse word.

The general public?

snip


Granted, this is in Breaking Alternative News, but it does illustrate the lengths people will go to in order to cling to their belief that everything is ok and all of this discussion about the disaster is fear mongering, regardless of the facts.



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by Purplechive

Bottles Contain Radium "Self-Luminous" Paint




Science and education ministry inspectors believe the bottles contain radium, a radioactive material used in the past as self-luminous paint for watches, Kyodo News agency reported. It said the inspectors concluded that the radiation was not related to the Fukushima disaster because no cesium was detected in the bottles.


www.sacbee.com...

Frankly, I think it's a crock of Sh!T! Don't want to cause "distress"...

Bunkyo Ward has higher rad readings than Sendai and Setagaya is only a few miles south.

- Purple Chive


Comment posted on Ex-skf:


These look like reagent bottles such as were commonly used in chemistry labs and for artists supplies. Uranium salts were used to give a strong yellow glaze for pottery and also to make yellow or green crystal. Perhaps there is something similar involved here. Radon is a decay product. Still is weird, a quick response team from the Education Ministry while the rest of the government is issuing reassuring communiques. Japan sure is different.


ex-skf.blogspot.com...

- Purple Chive



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 07:38 PM
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Originally posted by Human0815

I don't understand your Statement,
have a look:

On October 12, 2011, we conducted a nuclide analysis of radioactive materials contained in the air which was collected at the site of Fukushima Daiichi and Daini Nuclear Power Stations. As shown in the attachment, radioactive materials were not detected.

Source:


These are two different things. Air sampling away from the steam, and potentially upwind, will not give us any idea of levels in the steam plumes. Also, when they do air sampling they pick the time and place, and depending on the direction of wind, current level of emissions etc the results can be manipulated. Air samples dont tell us where contaminants are coming from either, (called a non-point source).

The main component of radioactive contamination is now said to be from steam emissions. These are whats known as a point source, since you can know what contaminants at what level are coming from where. If the samples are taken properly, finding the level of radionuclides and reaction compounds that the corium and fuel rods are releasing would be easy enough (though more advanced technology would help). And it wouldnt be a non-detect. There would be so many known and unknown compounds it would boggle the mind.

When they do reactor accident simulations, and set safety standards that are based on these simulations, one of the main components is atmospheric transport from aerosolized or vaporized radioactive particles emitted in steam. The data they use to set the parameters of the simulation come from numerous research projects that either use simulation themselves, or small scale fission reactions, to come up with the numbers used.

Yet here they have the perfect opportunity to find out what is really being emitted from an actual meltdown (well, three meltdowns, actually, and a hand full of fuel pools, and........) but refuse to. This is a criminal action and Tepco, the Japanese government, the US government and other regulatory bodies will one day be held accountable for their lack of concern in Tepco's irradiating of the planet.
edit on 13-10-2011 by zworld because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 07:53 PM
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Originally posted by qmantoo
Just want to say a big thanks to Tallone for the Japanese translation of the interview with the investigative journalist.

Very useful to have that kind of thing and also something extremely important which would be totally missed by anyone not understanding Japanese. Translations like this make this thread much more relevant and meaningful because there is a lot of information which is only given in japanese.

(Obviously not forgetting the other stuff written in English on this thread is useful too)

Glad you got something from it. There must be 200 odd threads on Japan on ATS or something close to that number. Sometimes posters ask for verification of the subtitling work on a video but always thought it prudent to not jump in.

The NHK interview with Iwakami san struck me as too important to let go after waiting two days for some similar summary translation to appear on another site. If I see something else like it not translated and showing non-Japanese speakers the developing awareness in Japan and how people there are reacting I will do it again.
edit on 13-10-2011 by Tallone because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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And so the nightmare continues. This time Davis-Besse in Ohio. While a reactor head is being replaced because of cracks found on fuel rod nozzles, a 30 foot long crack is found in the containment building.

www.wtol.com...

All over the world reactor shrouds, piping, nozzles and containment structures are falling apart. Not unexpected, as most are approaching their 40 year life expectancy. Only problem is, like, isnt the stuff inside these places, the really bad stuff, isnt it going to be around for like hundreds and thousands of years. OK, let me get this straight. They build stuff to last 40 or more years to protect us from stuff that lasts thousands of years. Got it. One more question. Now, how is that supposed to make us feel safe again?



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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Originally posted by kdog1982
reply to post by Silverlok
 


Bring it on, Jaded, zworld and silverloc, AirCooled and the rest of you, cause you are the only "nutcases" to expose it all!

If, and, only if, the rest of the world would listen.

Greetings:

Funny you should say that at this moment...

This is a small portion (the end of the multiple-page post) we posted on another thread earlier:

Does anyone really care?


Originally posted by thorfourwinds

(...)

Apocalyptic Plume
A Lord of the Rings-worthy plume rises roughly six miles (ten kilometers) above Chile's Puyehue volcano (map) Sunday. As of Monday, activity at the volcano appeared to have tapered off, according to Telam, Argentina's government news agency.


Even so, danger remains. In a statement on website of the regional government of Los Rios, Chile, for example, Governor Juan Andrés Varas warned that ash and potentially poisonous volcanic gases are slowly rolling toward a nearby valley.

"Fortunately, the valley doesn't drop abruptly, so we have time to evacuate," Varas was quoted as saying by CNN.

And, along the "Apocalyptic" theme: these are the uprising air/ash plumes from the volcano.


Pinatubo ash plume reaching a height of 19 km, 3 days before the climactic eruption of 15 June 1991.


Above cloud level, the plume from Puyehue-Cordon Caulle looks like a nuclear bomb has just exploded with its mushroom cloud bursting towards the skies.

more

And now, for something completely different, if we may beg your indulgence...

Somewhat off topic, but perhaps vitally important to, we, the people.

One might postulate and visualize that the same type of uprising air occurred at Fukushima Daiichi and helped spread the vaporized Plutonium and various other radioactive contaminants high into the atmosphere and into the Jet Stream - to fall on ALL of North America

- including ALL the people

- including ALL of the food growing in the fields

- including ALL the livestock in the fields

- including ALL our children

- and is continuing 24/7/365 unabated, with no solution...


TEPCO/JAPGOV admitted the technology "does not exist" to adequately address the situation - therefore no end is in sight... 24/7/365

[color=limegreen]This is utter insanity...
and we are ALL going to pay the price for this madness...
as NO ONE escapes the life-altering radiation.

In Peace, Love & Light

tfw


We will continue our investigation and research into the EPA and will bring evidence of the cover-up and corruption at the highest levels to light on this forum.

Anyone with any information on the EPA please contact us.

This insanity must end, and we are asking the community to step up and take action by assisting in the effort to corral these scoundrels and put them out of business and in jail where they belong.

Or does someone have another/ better idea?

In Peace, Love & Light

tfw
edit on 13/10/2011 by thorfourwinds because: fourmatt



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by earthdude
reply to post by jadedANDcynical
 

Somebody is doing testing. They would tell us if we were in danger. Everyone is not out to fool us. There are many who are just like us, they care. The sky is not falling.



The one thing the truthers forgot is that the "radiation cloud" that the EPA is "covering up" would be equally affecting the people and the supposed "EPA disinfo cover-up men/ NWO / illuminati, etc."


Greetings:

IT IS...

Ironic, isn't it?


BTW, look up who actually runs the "service" for the EPA that had 55% of the monitors off-line in California during the largest industrial accident in history... the supposed "EPA disinfo cover-up men/ ..." is a "she."

Do you really want us to dig that stuff up again?

BTW, the EPA went back to "routine" sampling (every 3 months) on May 3rd, less than two months into the ongoing tragedy.

This is the same EPA that claims to be able to track a single fish so as to keep we, the people, safe.

In Peace, Love & Light

tfw



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 09:55 PM
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Very nice post.
I have tried,along with others to spread the word.
You know who you are.
I have been banned or ignored from many sites.
There are many groups on facebook.

Someone needs to take the initiative to publish this.
Any takers?



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Arnie Gundersen Testifies to shut down Mark 1's
www.youtube.com...



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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Originally posted by kdog1982
reply to post by thorfourwinds
 


Very nice post.
I have tried,along with others to spread the word.
You know who you are.
I have been banned or ignored from many sites.
There are many groups on facebook.

Someone needs to take the initiative to publish this.
Any takers?


Greetings:

We have posted on many "dead" nuke-related sites in an attempt to rally the troops - but, alas, only trolls...take a peek at one of the latest.

Please elaborate on "publish..."

We have a verrrrrrrrry long background in publishing and are interested in your concept.

Let's hear it.


Originally posted by thorfourwinds

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by thorfourwinds
 

the Caesium map is interesting - it shows the US has much less than almost all of Europe after Chernobyl - see CEREA's Fukushima page

But it's biological half life is small - 70 days, and it is easily treated with Prussian Blue of all things!

edit on 11-10-2011 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)


Greetings:

Thank you for your interest and informative reply.

Are you completely dismissing the fact that we, the people of the United States, have been suffering from radiation poisoning since mid-March?

The red herring about the biological half-life is pathetic.

This is the same bravo sierra that we get from the EPA.

Are you implying that Prussian Blue can/will mitigate all effects of this Cesium fallout?

How many people that you know have actually heard of Prussian Blue, have access to it and have been using it as a preventive/remedial action?

Have you been promoting this remedy to your friends and loved ones?

Did you completely miss the point that there is an ongoing world-wide ecological disaster, and - apparently - there is NO SOLUTION to the continuous release of radiation from the Fukushima reactors 24/7/365?


Do you have any other positive input or ideas or comments about any of the other related posts we have made on this subject?

We look forward to further communication and thank you for your time and consideration.

In Peace, Love & Light

tfw



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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One more. Expert Dale Brighdenbaugh testifies to shut Mark 1's down.
www.youtube.com...



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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I gave you a star for 2 reasons 1 your excellent posts and 2 was your star count was 666.
Luv ya man Rbrtj



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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To answer your question on publishing.
This entire thread,the entire history of the nuclear disaster in Japan.
The truth that has been blacked out and not reported on.
It has been done before on this site.
Jim Marrs did it.
He has his own special forum on here ,for those who don't know.And for a reason,which I shall not disclose.
Published in a since that it grabs the attention of those who are not aware of what has happened and is still going on.

And ,who are "we"?




edit on 13-10-2011 by kdog1982 because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 13 2011 @ 11:15 PM
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whomever the we is, this is no Mein kampf, it is the place where Unsere Kampf becomes more than individuals, and , even after my teasing .... where we go, print would be nice, given the zero travel time of information these days .. I suppose what it comers to is exposure, yes? and ...critical mass.. do we have any takers on where that will take us , and zombies in mind , whom is game


Originally posted by kdog1982
reply to post by thorfourwinds
 

To answer your question on publishing.
This entire thread,the entire history of the nuclear disaster in Japan.
The truth that has been blacked out and not reported on.
It has been done before on this site.
Jim Marrs did it.
He has his own special forum on here ,for those who don't know.And for a reason,which I shall not disclose.
Published in a since that it grabs the attention of those who are not aware of what has happened and is still going on.

And ,who are "we"?




edit on 13-10-2011 by kdog1982 because: (no reason given)




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