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Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake

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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:41 PM
Persistant long life radiation in St Louis.

posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 10:56 PM
Anyone ever check this site out?

"Nuclear vaporization of an operational nuclear reactor and its spent fuel pool has the potential to release 50 to 100 times the biologically significant radioactivity released by the Chernobyl accident, resulting in contamination of a large portion of the world's food producing ecosystems." Source, here. In the U.S. alone, there are over 60,000 metric tons of spent fuel that are lying around nuclear plant facilities from coast to coast. The total amount of plutonium in the spent fuel waste makes it also a proliferation risk - the U.S. spent fuel inventories could be processed to make millions of atomic bombs. Some reactors and their 'pools' are located near fault lines and seashores. All are vulnerable to terrorist attack or sabotage. In aging pool structures, cracks in foundations can form and result in leaks of highly radioactive water into the subsurface or into rivers, lakes and the sea. This has happened already on various instances in the U.S. The Edwin 1 Hatch nuclear plant in the State of Georgia experienced a spent fuel pool leak in 1986 that spilled tens of thousands of gallons into storm drains and wetlands. ['Let the Facts Speak,' 3rd ed., produced by the office of Senator Rachel Siewert in Australia, 2006]

An uncontrolled fire within a spent fuel pond at Fukushima Units 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 or 6 or at other stricken Japanese plants - called a 'propagating zirconium cladding fire' - could have the potential of releasing quantities of radioactive poisons exceeding the equivalent of one or more Chernobyls.

posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 11:23 PM

Nuclear fears reawaken mass anger

Taro Kono, a Lower House lawmaker of the Liberal Democratic Party, told reporters on April 26 that instead of holding mass demonstrations, a more effective approach would be for the people to directly visit the offices of lawmakers to express their views on nuclear policy. Kono said both the ruling Democratic Party of Japan and the LDP are beneficiaries of major electric utilities and naturally lean toward protecting their vested interests. "Rather than 1 million people engaging in demonstrations, I believe it is far more effective if 1 million people went to the offices of politicians and directly told lawmakers or their secretaries their views on the issue, and tell them that unless they consider shifting sources of energy, they would not be receiving your support," he said.

“We want genpatsu in Tokyo!” – The new sarcastic edge of Japan’s anti-nuclear demos

“We want genpatsu [nuclear power plant] in Tokyo!”
“Japanese nuclear power plants are so safe that we could even build one in Tokyo Bay.”

“Radiation can’t get to you if you’re smiling. It only gets to people who are worried.”

“Fukushima has become famous without doing anything. It beat Hiroshima and Nagasaki."

“It’s safe to drink plutonium."

“We couldn’t build a nuclear power plant if we thought about possible accidents. So, we just suck it up.”

“Even if radiation sterilizes your semen, new semen will be produced.
The gene god is watching over your semen."

“The lethal dose of salt is 200 grams, and that of plutonium is 32 grams.
Plutonium poisoning is no big deal."

“Radiation is good for your health."

“Citizens shouldn’t be allowed to measure radiation levels.”

Fukushima festival divided between fighting radiation rumors, residents' safety

The move came after a radiation test, issued by city authorities,

detected 84 becquerels

of radioactive cesium per kilogram of Sukagawa hay. While Sukagawa is approximately 60 kilometers away from the damaged Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant, some people had expressed concern about using Fukushima hay because it came to light that rice straw in extensive areas of the Tohoku region was tainted with radiation
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 12:02 AM
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Cool site kdog. I am especially blown away by the opening quote. Hope everyone reads this quote and is touched as much as it touched me

And this isn't being said by an ex nuclear engineer who happened to work on the Manhattan Project. He was a co-leader and the main brain behind the inner workings of the bomb. I was absolutely totally completely blown away by the quote when I realized who said it and what he had done.

John William Gofman (September 21, 1918 - August 15, 2007) was an American scientist and advocate. He was Professor Emeritus of Molecular and Cell Biology at University of California at Berkeley. Some of his early work was on the Manhattan Project, and he shares patents on the fissionability of uranium-233 as well as on early processes for separating plutonium from fission products. Dr. Gofman later worked in medicine and led the team that discovered and characterized lipoproteins in the causation of heart disease. In 1963, he established the Biomedical Research Division for the Livermore National Laboratory, where he was on the cutting edge of research into the connection between chromosomal abnormalities and cancer.

Gofman promoted a linear no-threshold model for the dangers of radiation, suggesting that even small doses over time could prove harmful. (WIKI)

And thats only a small body of his work. He's well known as an anti-nuke guy now, but I had no idea how influential he was in the early days of nuke madness.

ON EDIT: It seems strange that he never received the Nobel. If not the nuke stuff, finding the dangers of lipoproteins and the connection to heart disease should have been enough. I wonder if he was chastised for being an early anti-nuke advocate.
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 12:15 AM
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Yes,zworld,we are just one big human experiment .
And in the immortal words of John Gofman "the crime is not experimentation-- it's murder."

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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 06:04 AM
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A scary but informative aggregation of links you have there. I had no idea there was more Cesium 137 contamination to be found in the US than in Japan at present.

Just to build on all of that. A particularly disturbing story surprised the hell out of people in Japan and abroad also when an investigative journalist (not many of these around anymore) was interviewed on a Japanese radio show the other day. I know this link is already up on the thread but the story is big for several reasons. Apart from the confirmation of contamination of Strontium 90 (Sr 90) so far spread, there is also the confirmation there are many Japanese who are awakening to the realisation they have been not only misinformed but the enormity of what is really an ongoing catastrophe of unspeakable proportions. And that is no exaggeration. This all happened on air a couple of days ago. But I guess it is the video itself of what was said off camera that has really impacted for many people not only in Japan.

I will translate some of the main points here so far not published already since everyone is speaking Japanese.
Link to studio interview
From the page with the video link…

Strontium 90 was measured in Yokohama, Kouhokuku. (5 mins by car from my apartment.)
In the simplest put, it’s over.
The amount was 195 Bq/kg.
Detected by a university staff teaching engineering, so the measurement is trustworthy.
It has nothing to do with the historical world-wide nuclear test, because it was measured on the roof of and [sic] apartment, which was built only 5 years ago. […]

The location was randomly chosen. The person who randomly found it is very upset and confused. [...]

Below - Translation (summary of main points) of radio interview with jounalist Yasumi Iwakami san, October 10, 2011. Strontium 90 spread over at least a 240 km (93 mile) circumference, including Tokyo.

The interview with Yasumi Iwakami san starts around 37:30 as stated. Find something to do until the video gets that far. There seems to be no way to hurry it along.

The interview itself is brief. However, the journalist continues to sit there while the host plays ads/music breaks while continuing with questions off air. It is obvious both the DJ and the news reader as well as the journalist are clearly shaken. Iwakami comes prepared waving a report of the scientific findings at one stage with a camera close up. For the entire period prior to airing the Sr 90 findings he had carried on with the required sports news and national holiday info prattle, including a tediously long fun sequence of how properly to handle chopsticks in a difficult situation, and then throws in the report about which virtually the entirety of the rest of the video is constituted, as I said mostly off air.

Summary of other main points from interview

The interviewer begins by stating to Iwakami san that it now appears strontium, plutonium, cesium (isotopes), and "a variety" of radioactive contaminants are now being found. He asks what exactly is Sr 90.

Iwakumi san tells him it is now being observed in plants, and in the water. He points out only a little earlier on Japanese were being told by government scientists strontium and caesium isotopes "don't fly", that is it doesn't get carried in the air (or get carried far from the point of occurrence). Therefore the public has assumed localities outside of Fukushima are unlikely to be at risk from such radioactive contaminants. Iwakami san then points out but it was found on the roof of an apartment block in Yokohama. He asks rhetorically "Why?", Why did those scientists get this wrong.

He notes that when Iwakami san announced the findings he was contacted by officials and told the report was wrong and it has nothing to do with Fukushima. Iwakami san suggests the only other sources to have been past nuclear tests, or the two bombs (not clear), but that it must be Fukushima originated.
Iwakami notes Japan does not set a safe maximum limit for Sr 90.

The interview asks about the effect of strontium on a human body.

Iwakami runs though how he went about researching Sr 90, and it seemed to require consultation with very old doctors from the university. Apparently Iwakami san found it difficult to find researchers available to talk to him about Sr 90 with any real expertise in the area. One being 98 years old. He said Sr 90 is similar to calcium and behaves the same way in the body and accepted as if calcium, "sticking to bone" and eventually causing leukaemia and bone cancer, and runs through a variety of possible related pathologies of it remaining in the body.

Iwakami san states Sr 90 has entered the ground water, and is found in food such as vegetables and fish.
[This is very bad for Japanese because these two items vegetables and fish (well seafood in general really) are staple in the national diet. This point is returned to later off air.]

He mentioned how after world war 2 the US occupying forces shut down research into Sr 90 undertaken at the time by medical researchers working at Todai (Tokyo university).

Iwakami san states at least 240 km from Fukushima is contaminated with Sr 90. He warns that in fact it is not only some hot spots affected. It is probably everywhere within a general circumference. He points out to the interviewers if you poke the needle of a compass into Fukushima city in a map of Japan you can draw a semi circle showing the area and you will realise this means virtually all of Higashi Nihon (Eastern Japan) is now contaminated with Sr 90. Also the including the upper North - Tohoko region.

[At this point the rest of the conversation is held pretty much off air. The woman news reader is looking shattered, the male interviewer who is side on to the camera is clearly shaken and shambles his way through papers on his desk as he returns again and again to the journalist seated across from his with more questions. When a minute passes without a question the journalist who now looks downright depressed.]

The interviewer picks up the thread about contamination in the food chain Iwakami san mentioned earlier. The interview asks, he hopes it isn't true but it appears when people eat beef, or fish they are going to get sick, is that true?

Iwakami san states it appears seafood is particularly contaminated. He states from his research the amount of Sr 90 contamination in the sea "is very very bad".

[Iwakami san becomes emotional (for a Japanese journalist during a radio interview)]
He states the government says everything is being done, "but nothing is being done". He says the government say the situation is now coming under control, but that just isn't true. The huge amount of Sr 90 and Cs 137 contamination being found indicates what the officials are saying is simply not true at all. "Just 1 becquerel or 2 becquerels is scary, but 100 becquerels is out of the question!".
He notes these positive samples have been taken from ordinary suburban locations and so "it must be everywhere".

Its everywhere, This means not only Yokohama, but also Tokyo, Saitama, and Chiba.
There is not enough checking. Not even any open information. Actually the government announced plutonium and Sr 90 does in fact "fly" (is being dispersed from Fukushima to other areas). But what the Japanese officials did was simply to put up a poster up stating these admissions, the numbers, in front of the government hall. But people, even most of the media don't understand (the terms perhaps) and don't know what it means.

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - ENd of translation of main points from the Yasumi Iwakami radio interview, October 10. Tallone.

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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 06:43 AM

Hydrogen Management System Unit 2

So hydrogen found in Unit 2 also?

- Purple Chive

posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 06:49 AM

Unit 1 Radiation Levels Fall below Legal Limits

October 11th Readings (Upside?):

October 4th Readings (Above):

- Purple Chive
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:18 AM
I think the folks in Japan are starting to freak out so the IAEA has sent a team to make up some more lies.
Also Reactor and fuel status in case of malfunction by Mutsumoto [Translated]....We think, We assume, We cross our fingers....
I have a question? Folks in Japan know about Chernobyl, right? They know there is a large 1000 year dead zone around it, right? Why do they think Japan is different and can be decomtaminated? It can't be because of faith in Tepco.

posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:23 AM

New Arnie....

- Purple Chive
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:40 AM

Originally posted by Aircooled

I have a question? Folks in Japan know about Chernobyl, right? They know there is a large 1000 year dead zone around it, right? Why do they think Japan is different and can be decomtaminated? It can't be because of faith in Tepco.

I think that some, not all, believe that the Japanese Technology is much better than the Russian
25 years ago, another thing is the difference of the Radionuclide
in F'Shima compared to Tschernobyl,
please check this by yourself because this is by far to difficult for me in English

Originally posted by Purplechive

Hydrogen Management System Unit 2

So hydrogen found in Unit 2 also?

Yesterday or the day before i read that this Hydrogen is a byproduct of the Valve gaskets
and the Tubes and Pipes, when they are hot they produce this explosive Gas?
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Purplechive

Unit 1 Radiation Levels Fall below Legal Limits

October 11th Readings (Upside?):

October 4th Readings (Above):

- Purple Chive

And then this....

Dosimeters display ‘ERROR’ when entering Reactor No. 1

Very suspicious...

- Purple Chive

posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 11:15 AM
reply to post by Tallone

This is exactly what was feared in the earliest days of this disaster here in this thread. The truth is slowly beginning to dawn upon the people of Japan that their government has lied to them and that the extent of those lies is leading to a national epidemic.

No a world wide epidemic.

The near absolute news blackout in the West about the poisoning of our earth in the East as a direct result of pressure from the West to open Pandora's Box (nuclear energy) is a testament to the degree of collusion to keep this from the public awareness. Those who read (how many are out there that don't post?) this (and others in the Japan Forum) thread are informed as are a few others. But unless you go looking for the information, you will not be told anything is wrong, you are indeed more likely to believe that it's all fixed if there was ever anything out of place to begin with.

It was discussed WAY back in this thread about how the various isotopes would aersolize (based on a report I dug out of the DOE Scientific and Technical database and analyzed by Silverlok) and then be easily suspended in the atmosphere in a way very similar to water evaporation. This is also why the "cheesecloth condom" tent is not going to do anything to stop transport of the radionuclides which are continuously being emitted.

In fact, a quick search yields an interesting report about radionuclide transport:

A two-dimensional transient model for the transport of dissolved constituents through porous media originally developed at Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) has been expanded and modified. Transport mechanisms include: convection, hydrodynamic dispersion, chemical sorption, and first-order decay.

The report is by Oak Ridge National Lab in association with Union Carbide and was published in 1981, so this is not new science and is something that is well understood.

The transport of a dissolved constituent by ground water through sorbing porous media is controlled by carrier fluid advection, hydrodynamic dispersion, molecular diffusion, chemical reactions, and sorption on the media and decay. Mathematical equations to describe these phenomena have been formulated for various physical and chemical properties by many investigators. Reeves and Ouguid (1975) and Ouguid and Reeves (1976) have provided full background information concerning transport equation development and Galerkin finite-element techniques. Emphasis here will be placed upon modification and expansion to their original work.

So yes, ground water contamination in the area in close proximity to the plant is to be expected as is in any area in which aersolized radionuclides fell and were then subsequently carried into the ground via the hydrological cycle.

Unfortunately it looks like the models are only applicable to short-time-frame/small-localized dispersion. Well, who would ever think we would need long-term-wide-area models for radionuclide contamination?

This is an essential aspect in the application of the model to field situations in which the scale length of dispersivities is small relative to that spatial discretization (Ergatoudis, et al. 1968,
Finlayson 1972, Zienkiewicz 1977).

It sounds like the equations in this paper could be used to determine the amount of contamination in the area immediately proximal to the plant (the Pacific Ocean being one of those areas) and maybe even those are far removed if accurate measurements could be taken to determine the amount of surface contaminaiton.

The waste flux at any point in the region is due to two mechanisms, advection and dispersion.

And here we are with the experimental data:

The sample problem of transport from a seepage pond reported by Duguid and Reeves (1976) is used to compare the simulation by the original computer codes (Reeves and Duguid 1975, Duguid and Reeves 1976) with that by the new waste transport code coupled with the revised water-flow code (Yeh and Hard 1980). The seepage pond is assumed to be situated near a stream as shown in Fig. 9. The system is composed of a highly permeable sand with soil properties shown in Fig. 10. A flux of 4.0 X 10 cm cm sec" , directed vertically downward from bottom of the pond, provides the only driving force for moving the contaminant toward the stream.

(to be continued)

posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 11:16 AM
reply to post by jadedANDcynical

(continued from previous post)

Our seepage pond here is the masses of corium that are surrounded by the tons of seawater circulated by Tepco and the stream is the Pacific Ocean.

This is a cross section showing the seepage pond at the top as a cut out and the streem is the grove in the lower right-hand portion of the diagram. The contamination spread is indicated by concentric curves emanating from the seepage pond. As you can see, the contamination seems to seek out the stream:

Yes, ground water contamination is a concern, both near the plant (remember underground streams) and in areas far removed spatially.
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 11:16 AM

Emergency Test...

Just in case all hell breaks loose again.

On 12 October an emergency drill simulating a magnitude 8 earthquake near Fukushima Daiichi will be carried out. 30 workers will be employed to install fire trucks and hoses to pump seawater in order to confirm that the cooling of the reactors can be restored within 3 hours.

- Purple Chive
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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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YIKES..... Thanks for the link I'm working my way through The Forgotten Guinea Pigs now.

Recognize any names on the down winder report aka The Forgotten Guinea Pigs

It is my humble opinion that our government is also going to be responsible for not using the emergency alert system to warn us about the nuclear rain/fall out from Fuku.
Also Albert Gore aka Al Gore is not that bad a guy after all.
I heard from therapist a while back that his uncle's family was able to collect on the damages, so I know the legislation passed.
It is my hope that none of us succumb to cancer as my mother did and can sue the living p^ss out of them if we come down with it. So help me God.

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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 06:44 PM
Just want to say a big thanks to Tallone for the Japanese translation of the interview with the investigative journalist.

Very useful to have that kind of thing and also something extremely important which would be totally missed by anyone not understanding Japanese. Translations like this make this thread much more relevant and meaningful because there is a lot of information which is only given in japanese.

(Obviously not forgetting the other stuff written in English on this thread is useful too)

posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 07:31 PM
and here is the topper that proves that clear back in 1980 the Energy Dept. that use to be called the Atomic Energy Commission was "conflicted" like that they are now, 31 years later!!!!

Rbrtj speechless near Seattle

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posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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It is in the interests of humankind to sacrifice a few.

posted on Oct, 12 2011 @ 07:47 PM
rbrtj - yes this is amazing how one bunch of people can be so dedicated to serving their masters the nuclear industry. Whatever we(the concerned people) do, we do not seem to be able to get rid of this need of theirs to continue to kill us all. Rather like a terrorist aiming to blow up the world and seeking glory for himself in the afterlife without thought for the people who will be blown up.

Unfortunately, it is never as simple as one terrorist act and we all die - there is lots of unnecessary illness and suffering which goes with it all. We just have to accept that there are beings who dont have the emotions of love and care for anyone.

Reuters article about Daini taking until August 2012 to repair.

TABLE-Japan nuclear plant ops (Tokai Daini under repair until Aug)

Oct 12 (Reuters) - Japan Atomic Power said on Wednesday that repairing its
quake-hit Tokai Daini nuclear reactor will take until August next year, about nine
months longer than originally planned, as the facility's turbines need extra work.

The 1,100-megawatt reactor in Tokaimura, 110 km northeast of Tokyo, has come under
the spotlight this week as the town's mayor has called on the government to
decommission it. The 33-year old reactor has an allowed life of 40 years.

Japan Nuclear Plant Cleanup to Cover Thousands of Miles

Wednesday, Oct. 12, 2011
Roughly 5,000 square miles of Japanese territory would be covered by a national program to remove radioactive material released by the Fukushima Daiichi atomic facility, the Asahi Shimbun reported on Wednesday (see GSN, Oct. 11)

US NRC urged to act quickly on lessons from Fukushima accident

Washington (Platts)--12Oct2011/512 am EDT/912 GMT
The US Nuclear Regulatory Commission should move more quickly to implement actions to address lessons learned from the Fukushima accident in Japan, nuclear power critics told the regulator at a briefing Tuesday.

NRC staff earlier in October sent the commission its proposed plan for how to prioritize recommendations from an agency task force on how to improve the ability of US nuclear power plants to withstand floods, earthquakes and station blackouts.

Officials find small radiation hotspot in Tokyo

Associated Press, 10.12.11, 10:24 AM EDT
TOKYO -- Japanese officials have found a small area in Tokyo with higher levels of radiation than evacuation zones around the Fukushima nuclear plant.

Tokyo's Setagaya city's mayor says concerned parents monitoring for radiation asked them to conduct further tests on a roadside spot near a kindergarten. Its radioactivity slightly exceeded that of an area about 25 miles (40 kilometers) from the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant.
Article Controls

Mayor Nobuto Hosakai says the cause is being investigated. He says rainwater containing radioactive particles had been dripping from the roof of a building by the sidewalk.

Radioactive sediment found miles from Japan nuclear crisis zone

Officials in Yokohama, Japan’s second largest city, are investigating soil samples after a radioactive substance was found in sediment atop an apartment building about 155 miles (250 kilometers) from the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant, according to news reports.

The discovery has raised concerns that leaked radiation from three Fukushima reactors that suffered meltdowns after the March earthquake and tsunami may be more widespread than thought, The Japan Times reported Wednesday.

The findings come after a travel alert issued by the U.S. government last week, warning Americans in Japan to avoid areas near the stricken reactors.

The alert recommends that U.S. citizens stay away from areas within 20 kilometers (12 miles) of the nuclear facility. The State Department also admonished Americans to stay away from territory northwest of the plant in a zone that Japan calls the "Deliberate Evacuation Area." The zone includes Iitate-mura, the Yamagiya district of Kawamata-machi, Katsurao-mura, Namie-machi and parts of Minamisoma.

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