8.9 Quake hits off coast of Japan! Live Updates.

DUDE!

www.tohoku-epco.co.jp shows radiation levels at Onagawa plant almost 1000x normal levels (10.000nGy/h)

This is a tweet, can anyone read Japanese to confirm?

Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by ADUB77

 

1)There are plenty of threads on this board for discussing how much you loathe Japan and how you think it deserves this suffering; this one is for breaking news

2)Don't try to hide behind "I was just speaking hypothetically". It's perfectly clear how you feel. Own your words.

3)Do you have any news about the quake or questions about quake news to contribute? Other than judgment about the victims?

Emotions have crippled your intellect, with respect to ATS, I will no longer derail from the original topic

2011: A former adviser on radiation to the UK government, Dr Christopher Busby, has told the BBC the situation at the nuclear plants is extremely serious. "Particularly concerning is the [Fukushima] number three reactor which I understand is in trouble now, because... it runs on a different sort of fuel; it doesn't run on uranium, it runs on a mixed uranium plutonium fuel, and plutonium is an extremely serious hazard so if this stuff comes out then it's going to make what's happened so far, in terms of the tsunami damage, look a little bit like an entrée to the real course."


YIKES!!!!

Originally posted by ADUB77
I did not say America or Britain were free from god's karma, "if" god exists

No country is, and neither is any person by the looks of it, use your head. You should probably drop this too, this thread is for live updates on what's happening over there.

edit : just saw your last post, thanks.

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I'm reading from the other thread that the MOX used in #3 effects of exposure at 1mg is the same as uranium at 2kg? That's 2million times more dangerous, pound for pound.

The small number of survival stories that are slowly coming through in the news reports are heartbreaking to watch. For some people that say its Karma I find quite frankly sick and inhuman.

2020: The rolling, three-hour power outages scheduled to affect prefectures in Kanto and Chubu on Monday - the first in Japan's history - will take place between 0620 and 2200 local time on Monday, says the Japan Times online. "If we continue [using electricity at the current level], there is the possibility of an all-out blackout in the area," it quotes Prime Minister Naoto Kan as saying. "The impact of a sudden, large-scale blackout would be immense and we must prevent it at all costs."

Been watching this incident about 3-mile Island, which is quite a eyeopener. The valve which failed has been known to had mechanical problems 11 times prior to even this incident alone.

www.youtube.com...

Just to put this in perspective.... here is a current list of after shocks for the region since midnight on Saturday

Gulf of California got hit again today as well

www.iris.edu...

13-MAR-2011 17:55:24 35.21 141.03 5.5 24.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 17:50:06 36.04 141.63 4.8 25.4 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 17:40:30 37.93 142.58 5.2 24.8 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 17:29:11 35.68 140.67 4.8 29.8 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 17:05:58 37.64 143.60 5.1 24.9 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 17:01:32 35.18 141.07 5.2 24.9 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 16:44:53 38.85 142.94 4.7 10.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 16:34:48 38.41 144.35 4.7 3.4 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 16:16:02 39.41 142.75 4.8 30.1 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 16:07:35 25.31 -109.75 4.6 14.0 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
13-MAR-2011 16:04:40 35.66 140.79 4.6 16.4 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 15:43:30 39.81 143.67 4.5 29.2 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 15:27:21 39.49 142.58 5.1 32.3 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 15:10:54 35.50 140.78 5.0 44.2 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 15:08:51 36.97 144.48 5.1 36.3 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 14:48:00 37.94 142.54 5.3 1.0 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 14:41:20 38.35 142.81 5.1 12.3 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 14:40:31 37.70 141.79 5.2 9.9 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 14:31:56 39.17 142.71 5.0 25.7 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 14:14:28 37.70 141.96 4.7 12.8 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 13:43:37 39.03 142.37 4.8 5.6 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 13:16:31 34.34 141.62 5.1 23.0 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 13:01:09 38.70 142.14 4.8 10.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 12:56:25 37.76 143.63 4.7 35.3 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 12:53:35 35.02 141.21 4.8 35.8 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 12:53:01 35.01 141.35 4.6 26.1 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 12:42:33 37.47 144.05 5.0 30.0 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 12:36:53 37.33 142.50 4.6 35.8 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 12:33:37 38.39 141.97 4.8 35.1 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 12:27:18 36.78 141.08 4.8 29.8 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 12:24:18 38.80 144.84 4.5 25.5 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 12:02:53 37.37 142.50 4.7 31.5 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 11:56:26 35.93 141.40 4.8 26.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 11:37:31 37.35 142.42 6.0 24.8 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 11:27:30 38.70 142.01 4.8 30.2 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 11:19:38 39.68 142.60 4.5 30.4 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 11:01:22 39.77 144.41 5.1 35.4 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 10:59:00 37.07 143.14 5.0 35.7 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 10:44:33 39.97 143.42 4.7 25.1 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 10:36:56 39.61 144.78 4.7 37.2 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 10:04:04 37.79 143.66 5.0 34.2 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 09:52:31 38.86 141.87 5.5 31.9 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 09:42:24 37.23 143.62 4.8 31.8 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 09:37:59 37.25 143.75 4.8 24.9 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 09:25:08 39.05 142.48 5.5 24.2 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 09:13:00 37.72 143.86 5.0 36.1 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 08:54:05 37.46 143.63 4.8 24.9 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 08:49:37 37.89 143.95 4.9 25.0 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 08:45:51 -15.22 167.21 4.9 156.3 VANUATU ISLANDS
13-MAR-2011 08:43:23 37.17 142.44 5.0 25.1 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 08:26:20 37.41 143.74 5.1 25.4 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 07:56:44 39.64 143.24 5.9 24.9 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 07:37:23 37.04 143.18 4.7 25.1 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 07:04:36 38.33 144.13 5.4 18.8 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 06:37:49 37.80 143.42 5.0 25.3 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 06:19:08 40.19 142.00 4.7 25.2 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 05:59:53 37.07 141.41 4.9 26.1 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 05:55:06 38.38 142.09 4.9 25.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 05:54:25 25.28 -110.08 4.0 10.1 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
13-MAR-2011 05:50:53 37.45 142.24 4.8 25.1 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 05:47:42 39.71 142.54 4.9 24.8 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 05:33:27 36.55 142.48 4.6 25.0 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 05:08:31 38.61 144.01 4.7 24.9 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 04:40:29 36.30 142.33 5.1 24.8 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 04:36:14 35.24 141.04 5.0 26.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 04:23:23 38.21 142.96 5.3 25.5 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 04:12:55 35.71 141.74 5.0 25.1 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 04:02:13 38.07 142.56 4.9 26.3 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 03:54:43 38.68 144.83 4.9 25.9 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 03:45:42 38.05 142.53 4.9 24.9 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 03:34:10 37.64 142.77 4.8 25.3 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 03:07:46 37.13 142.55 4.9 25.1 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 03:01:26 36.72 140.29 4.7 25.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 02:57:15 36.89 143.37 5.2 24.9 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 02:51:24 36.88 143.38 5.4 25.3 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 02:50:11 25.44 -109.76 4.6 23.6 GULF OF CALIFORNIA
13-MAR-2011 02:48:19 36.89 142.64 5.1 25.2 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 02:42:29 39.70 144.32 5.2 25.2 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 02:39:25 37.07 142.88 5.0 25.1 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 02:32:36 36.73 141.62 4.9 27.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 02:23:37 36.35 142.35 6.2 24.9 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 02:13:54 36.62 143.75 4.8 27.4 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 01:42:54 36.94 142.91 5.5 25.2 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 01:26:07 35.74 141.73 6.2 24.5 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 01:16:15 38.23 144.10 4.8 27.3 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 01:08:42 36.44 142.19 4.7 26.4 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 00:47:04 39.10 143.31 5.2 24.9 OFF EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 00:43:17 38.07 142.70 5.0 26.4 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 00:32:57 36.04 140.85 4.9 25.4 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
13-MAR-2011 00:15:47 36.62 141.76 4.8 25.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN

The vessels are steel that wont go until 3000f degrees unless it is ruptured (possible). Concrete liquefies around 2000f depending on the components, but starts to fail and be weakened at below 1000f. (see a ceramics degree isnt entirely useless)

Combustion of the components in air would be very bad. Chernobyl had a carbon core too - which burns. Water is a neutron limiter in a LWR. If they keep it covered or at least partially submerged or watered the threat to the US will be minimal, if any at all - even in a full failure.

Here is my working theory:

Thurs/fri I suspect there were partial meltdowns of fuel in the reaction vessels. The explosion sat was corrosion induced H2 buildup from them flooding sea water into the reaction vessels that was probably a mixed metal slag of fuel rods and components by then. They released the pressure and it exploded. I imagine it was very hot too.

I think those vessels got up to around 2000 F in some places. (one of the control rooms was 100 degrees C and had radiation 1000 times above normal.)

I think its basically already happened and over with the reactors and they are just water contamination points as they cool.

Thats mainly for reactor #1 and im not sure of the time line.

reply to post by Perfectenemy


That's actually 21-12-4012 but I get your point.

Start posting about the nuclear meltdown threat in my thread.... Why I'm more concerned with the Nuclear aspects of this emergency than the ground shaking


www.abovetopsecret.com...

# 2044: Professor Regan said when they vented the first reactor at Fukushima on Saturday - triggering the explosion at the plant - "that vapour would almost certainly have had a little bit of radioactive material called nitrogen 16 - which is in all reactors. That decays away very quickly, in 5 to 10 seconds, but if some of the fuel rods - which appears to have been the case - were compromised, some of the radioactive material from the fuel would have got into the steam and that would also have been taken out." So a key question seems to be to what extent the fuel rods had begun to melt down.

Reuters(ETA: sorry, BBC)

Originally posted by THEDUDE86
Start posting about the nuclear meltdown threat in my thread....

Already have a thread on the nuke situation here
Nuclear emergency as Fukushima cooling system fails after Japan quake!
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Hard enough to keep track... sorry

reply to post by zorgon


Robotics are a complete possibility in the future and a very good idea. I have been working with robotics for nuclear applications and can tell you this is the future. We are not at that level at this time but are able to use robotics for maintenance and many other nuclear activities. www.iaea.org/Publications/Magazines/Bulletin/.../27304393138.pdf In this scenario, the robots would not actually bring the generator into the reactor, only the extensions. Humans would unload the generator and attach the extensions to the robots, then the robots could attach the extensions. We do not have any programming for such a scenario in case of a meltdown unfortunately. Also, comparing the robotics of the 80's(Chernobyl) with the robotics technologies of today is silly.

reply to post by zorgon


Or Japan declares 'nuclear emergency' after quake (That's page 40, the latest)

I saw a report on RSOE about insects,birds,and animals living the area before the earthquake hit,just like what happen in Thailand and Sri Lanka.And people did not heed the warning because they do not observe nature anymore,but are busy with ipods,computers and TV.
Didn't I read somewhere that the technology of man would bring us all down.
If I'm off topic here,please remove.

Originally posted by shikori
2011: A former adviser on radiation to the UK government, Dr Christopher Busby, has told the BBC the situation at the nuclear plants is extremely serious. "Particularly concerning is the [Fukushima] number three reactor which I understand is in trouble now, because... it runs on a different sort of fuel; it doesn't run on uranium, it runs on a mixed uranium plutonium fuel, and plutonium is an extremely serious hazard so if this stuff comes out then it's going to make what's happened so far, in terms of the tsunami damage, look a little bit like an entrée to the real course."


YIKES!!!!

Dr. Busby is an anti-nuclear activist....