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74.2. That's how many cents the public pays Milwaukee public-school teachers and other employees for retirement and health benefits for every dollar they receive in salary. The corresponding rate for employees of private firms is 24.3 cents.
The average Milwaukee public-school teacher salary is $56,500, but with benefits the total package is $100,005, according to the manager of financial planning for Milwaukee public schools. When I showed these figures to a friend, she asked me a simple question: "How can fringe benefits be nearly as much as salary?" The answers can be found by unpacking the numbers in the district's budget for this fiscal year
•State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees' share as well, for a total of 13%.
•Teachers' Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. Teachers contribute nothing.
Originally posted by ohioriver
Originally posted by queenofsheba
reply to post by ohioriver
The starting salary for Wisconsin teachers is $25k; the average salary is $46k, yet 100% of them are required to have at least a bachelor's degree,
Oh wow, $46k a year. Who can live off that and how much can you by for that? Not a whole heck of a lot. That's nothing! You'd have to have a very, very small house payment in order to live off that and buy gas, electric and groceries and try to have a little entertainment money left over.
Quite a few Americans live on less than that. And I imagine they aren't too happy knowing their taxes will go up so public union workers can have another raise or better benefits. Most 2 earner families are struggling on just above minimum wage and you feel sorry for ONE teacher making $46,000 for 9 months. Imagine how the families making less than the teachers feel when their land taxes go up. I say good that they now how to join their fellow Americans and pay into their own retirement and benefits.
Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
First off, someone who criticizes a mere typos in an online forum must have too much free time on their hands, or being an anally obsessive fool. Which one are you?
Hell, since I don't know how to use apostrophes, I should be the first one to criticize teachers. They taught me wrong then didn't they?
On the other side of that coin, the employees would be happy to have a job and whatever pay they get. If they don't like the fact that that their employer doesn't listen to them, they are more than free to seek employment elsewhere.
Again, you are wrong. Employees are perfectly free to speak amongst themselves about the issue. Hell, teachers can demand more than 1 million per year and a different hooker every night, that doesn't mean anyone has to listen to their demands, which are in effect what negotiations entail.
If you were my employee you would be more than free to talk to other employees and come up with a list of demands. I would simply refuse to negotiate, which is exactly what the law says. There will be no negotiations. This is what we offer. Take it or leave it. Dont like it? GTFO.
The idea of PUBLIC employees demanding more of the TAXPAYERS funds flies in the face of everything this country was founded upon.
What you are saying is akin to me complaining to a government official that I dont have a different Lamborghini for each day of the week and expecting government to do something about it.
If the taxpayers up and one day decided to stop paying taxes forever, would PUBLIC workers still have jobs? No, they wouldn't. There is a reason they are called PUBLIC employees, and not PRIVATE. Perhaps you are unable to differentiate between the two. Public employees= paid with public funding. He who signs the checks makes the rules.
Kindly post the portion of the signed law that says teachers cannot talk to each other. If you cannot do that, once again you are wrong. (Being wrong seems to be a common thing with you).
Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
reply to post by whaaa
There is no right to bargain for more of the taxpayers money.
If they are unhappy with what the taxpayers provide them, they are more than free to try their hand in the private sector.
Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
reply to post by inforeal
And now that there are workplace protections in place, there is no need for unions.
Abolish all of them.
Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
Average salary is a little more than 46k per year. State average compensation for teachers is a little over $75,000. In Milwaukee its over $100,000.
Would you like me to do the math for you, or are you capable of doing it yourself?
edit on 11-3-2011 by HaveAnotherOne because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by D1Useek
Government union employees will find no sympathy from the private sector. The private sector buoy’s the union pensions of government employees and keeps them going while they pay into their own 401k and their own health care packages without any help from any organization. All this comes out of their paychecks. The private employees pay their own way and the unions. To hell with them!