posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:17 PM
Please don’t rip my head off for this post because I am close to believing you but have been close to believing many things and I want to offer
myself as a student raising his hand to the teachers. There is a lot of proof supporting different sides. Well maybe not proof but very convincing
arguments. I thought that her, after reading many posts, that I might get solid opinions on my questions from people sincerely trying to help.
My problem is I don’t know what to believe and I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to be persecuted based on the society that tries to confuse
its members at every turn especially when I’m trying as hard as I can to make a decision. I don’t want to run out of time before I feel like I can
make the right choice.
Here it goes.
The members of the different options are trying to find true proof of what ever we believe so we can save the rest of our family (other humans) that
don’t get what we are saying yet right? So they don’t get hurt right? (Seems to be what everyone on earth is ultimately trying to do or choose
which one to go with). My problem is that all the books, from all the various religions, and stories that tend to speak about our past history and
what the truth really is since we would have no proof in future times. Discoveries that modern man has found either translate, or back up their claims
convincingly depending on how we look at it right?
It seems as if the truth was hidden and we have been trying to get it back for a long time with many options to choose from (I hate options when its
based on something that happened before my grandparents’ great grand parents were born).I would think that if something really important happened
that would explain all of the questions we would have happened back then, it wouldn’t be left up to interpretation and there would only be a record
of what happened right? Something that big would be just as huge as if the USA set off a nuclear bomb (not hiding it and on purpose to save us from
aliens lets just say) and a bunch of people recorded it in a book that told of our wondrous human victory over the invading aliens. It would be kind
of hard to take that any other way other then a false alarm when we blew ourselves up (and here is the book that makes sure we don’t make the same
mistake for those who survived). If it wasn’t god involved which books would you believe? The ones that made us out to be great or the ones that
made us out to be at fault?
I’ve heard that anyone will believe anything you say as long as it’s a compliment and what bigger compliment is there when those that were slaves
actually were so full of strength that they could stand up against its oppressor and defeat them, freeing themselves from their captors. If a book
told of its people doing great things like that then it would be easy to believe it and everything inside would also be true as well right? Our
government and that of others are aware that if the people of its nation turned on them, it wouldn’t be a pretty picture. The power would change
hands right? Over our history in all the different books, they normally tell stories of its people rising above its oppression by the help of a higher
power. If not a higher power like god himself, it was a prophet sent or told to go forth in his name right?
These style stories or events date back as far as we have recovered drawings, documents, and the books that groups cherish today.
This is where you might get mad at me. Please understand that if you are sure of what you believe then this shouldn’t be a stab. It should be seen
as a child asking an innocent question looking for a caring answer because they honestly don’t know and really would like to find out from those who
have more of a grasp on the topics.
Is it possible that way back in time, those that had power and wanted to keep it, which actually lived during a great uprising just gave up but not
without a fight? (Let’s just use Jesus as an example but the same question could be asked of the rest as well.). The guy Pontius Pilate (or whatever
the spelling is or who ever really was in power at the time), that saw his power over his people falling apart, actually believed what he did BEFORE
declaring a new religion for his land. Whether a true conversion to a new faith wasn’t a result of seeing the light but a result which left him
feeling backed up against a wall?
I try to put myself in his shoes. I see my family ruling as direct lines to the gods, directly in ownership of some sort of superhuman knowledge. Our
people doing whatever we want, when ever we want, because the gods had my back. I see myself believing in this full force and I see how I would feel
if I were being forced to renounce that belief with no other option because a large population was at my door about to flip out.
I say all religions because there are similar stories to those in power being pushed up against a wall by a new belief or uprising in so many of them
that changed everything for the better for its chosen people. My fear is that all the books that are based on today’s religions were directly
written by these so called "converted believers" or just human hands from that particular time period. I see myself looking into to the future,
trying to plan what ever I could think of to bring my family back into power eventually, because I was no match for the uprising at the time.
The bible in particular, speaks of an antichrist, and we are to believe that the words are from those that knew the truth because they were there, or
from gods mouth directly right? Back then if before Christ revolutionized religion, there was a book or many books that spoke of an end time with a
prophet that spoke lies then the people might have had a harder time believing what Christ said. He was still killed even though some believed he was
god, and it just didn’t happen quickly enough for his mark not to make a difference especially since he rose from the dead in the book right?
Would it make sense that the back in the day TPTB would try to make sure that their descendants wouldn’t make the same mistake since they used to be
gods before this guy Jesus came along? They didn’t give two craps about what the religion was but just that they continued to live in the lap of
luxury right? The future religions seemed to be going into a one god ideology. What was the only way to punish these people from what they did to that
family of power?
I would insist on my new beliefs, and I would insist that I prove it by being part of writing the book to tell its story of how the people found the
truth. I would also get my close friends to do the same as a show of good faith to the people that I cared and we had the peoples best interest at
heart so they wouldn’t take our family an hang us from a tree. (Saying, “look at us we agree with you and will prove it by putting it in
Sure the majority of the books speak of greater good and god being so amazing but there also seems to be a few things scattered inside, which if
future people were to follow as religious law, would set the stage for a fraud. I’m talking about the fine print kind of thing, that if they had
such a book back then, the things might of went in the favor of a multi god world because they were warned about the day when Jesus would arrive. (If
it painted him as evil then the people wouldn’t listen to him at all or at least give the TPTB at the time the chance to put up a stronger case
proving their side of the story as the actual truth instead. Plausible deniability and benefit of the doubt).
Things like the antichrist makes it so no matter what happens, if someone comes along that is actually a real prophet from god, we will kill them out
of fear and won’t believe a word they say because we were warned by a book from someone who might have had revenge on their mind. If we see one
person leading people in a time of worldly disasters, speaking of revolution and the world finally coming together as one, immediately they would be
the antichrist right? It makes it seem like the bible was written as retaliation of what happened to royal family so long ago in order for us to kill
the one who might actually be able to help..
We won’t know the difference between the messiah and the evil one because it’s supposed to be that way, as the book says. Someone will be leading
the world with talks of peace during a time of disaster right? (The masses are said to believe what the antichrist is preaching). Jesus is supposed to
come after the antichrist, and defeat him in a glorious battle, because he wasn’t leading the people out of a disaster, but rather he was the cause
(and we were just stupid and followed him because we were scared right)? After that the world will be saved by God or at least for those that follow
the new savior?
It just seems fishy that a book written by humans (didn’t fall out of the sky written in gold or something crazy), predicts for the world to begin
going nuts with chaos all over the place, even in space, and someone standing up to it, successfully leading the people in the right direction (*or we
ALL will believe that he is). All of a sudden god decides after all this time that he will come back and save us from the antichrist.
This to me seems spooky similar to many other tactics that our government uses other places as well.
I’m trying to look at it as if I was looking from above when it all was happening in the first place. If I was the one in power before Jesus "took
it away from me" I think its not hard to believe that I would devise plan to eventually try and get my family back into power in secret. They had
big brain thinkers back then so I don’t think it’s too far of a stretch to think that they would try. People living today could be directly
descended from them just going along with the plan because if it works their family will become royalty over the whole world.
Okay so what I’m really trying to ask after my annoying long winded post (I’m sorry about that) is this:
There are many people that believe that our own government is behind some of the disasters that are very similar to the ones foretold in the bible,
and even the same is happening in other countries. Is it possible that our governments are just going along with the plan set into motion way back in
time? Are they setting us up to believe that the disasters happening all over, that are stirring up end of the world talks, just to flush out the most
powerful leader living today that could easily take on the "antichrist" role? Setting us up to believe that even though this person makes perfect
sense and is seeming to be the best thing that could of happened to us, that our lords return is not too far away? Setting us up to believe that he
has alternate motives behind his talks of world peace to actually enslave us all, only to stage the lords return to fight and destroy him coming to
the rescue of the whole world?
This is out there I know but it would make sense given all the claims to alien contact within governments all over kept secret. If in fact we are not
alone in this universe (which I’m not sure of), wouldn’t it be kind of easy to fake a lord returning out of the sky given their technology said to
be in their abilities? If our government is making it seem as if aliens are a crazy idea, and we would be so stupid to believe they exist? Someone
coming out of the sky and killing someone using the bible to name him the antichrist would make us think it was stupid to believe the being from the
sky was alien. The one who saved us from the antichrist would be the real savior and leader of what ever was left becoming god on earth right? If even
a slim chance that some of the reports are correct and all governments have linked somehow together with ancient aliens hiding it every time they slip
up and we would say nah no way (not always having to really work that hard to hide it). (Far out I know but if that’s what they wanted us to think;
they did a pretty good job doing just that).
The creatures in movies today look real to me but they are all cgi or props so the videos that people “capture the truth” could be from one of the
talented movie producers that do it for entertainment already. It would be kind of hard to believe a mother ship if we already saw one in independence
day, war of the worlds, etc……. (But we always win in those don’t we?)(So don’t worry because even if they do come we would win right?)(Is that
so we are surprised when they come, because we never thought they had a chance so we never did anything about it?)
If this has any truth to it then it seems that we might have been duped by those in power way back in time and their descendants are about to reclaim
their thrown by faking the need for our lord to return and replacing our lord with an alien buddy who has such high tech weapons that the so called
"antichrist" wouldn’t even have a chance. We would easily see alien technology as godlike an easily conclude that indeed our lord has returned to
save us from someone preaching peace during a time of world crisis that in no way our governments could have had anything to do with right?
Could someone make me feel better and tell me why there is no chance that this is possible and we aren’t going to sit back and watch someone who
could easily be the only true power wielding, truth speaking, prophet that god has sent in such a long time be killed for no reason. If someone
realized the truth we all have been searching for our books might force him to keep it to himself so the people don’t kill him as the antichrist.
This person would have accomplished the impossible. If they would of gotten the world to sit up, take notice and finally got the people to do the
right thing, how are we to know he is actually evil? Instead of acting like they couldn’t make a difference they are going to speak up and let
themselves die by the lords hand and we are going to just let it happen! They would be leading the world into peace and might actually have been
successful until we let him be martyred by our "lord" that we wouldn’t even recognize if they walked next to us on the street.
Look I don’t know what exactly to believe but I’m searching feverishly to figure it out. The only way I know how is to take all the information
and put it together to weigh it out. I would hate to have fallen for a plot that was set up 1000s of year ago by people going to the bathroom in a
hole and with a total of maybe 0 books to read at the time. I would feel so foolish and stubborn. I would hate for an amazing person to be murdered
just so that we would name the one who killed our "antichrist" god! After that, who ever God says is okay we would just go along with . It seems
that even when god returns the WORLD will be ruled by ONE being as long as he is here, or if he appoints someone worthy to take his place then we
would have a world GOVERNMENT leader in control anyway. It will be Pontius Pilate thing all over again. To make things worse our only hope before we
fell hook line and sinker was killed in our honor. I hate perspectives. There are so many to choose from. How am I supposed to believe the right one
with so many seeming right? Faith? Seems like a very convenient opportunity to be tricked!
I know that some will beat me up in here because of my spelling and grammar. (I know I am horrible with those) but I sure do hope that some of you
will help shed some light on this for anyone else who might have thought about these things. It would be nice to focus on my points instead of
diverting away from the damn topic. I’m sick of being confused! And I don’t want to find out after its too late or not at all because no one
thought to ask some crazy questions that would make them look stupid. Society told us that certain things were just stupid to think about. Who are
they and why the hell is society such a holder of the truth when they weren’t born back then just like me? What gives them the right? A book?
Thank you and I posted this here because after reading many forums about religion there seems to be many people really knowledgeable on these subjects
and I thought you guys could have great insight. I also posted another thread that paints a picture of why I think it could of taken so long for a
plan like that to come into fruition. (in the search bar type in - “stuck in a dream? Are you sure?”) if you want to read it. Please be nice
because the other side of nice isn’t very becoming and will only push those honestly seeking the truth away from you out of fear of your hate words.
It would be counter productive. The other post has a repost later in the thread that makes it easier to read. I tried to edit it but was too late so
someone reposted with a better format for me and I’m going to finish where they left off. You guys are great and I’m so happy to have found a
place where I can talk about things that make people look at me like I belong locked up by “society”.