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Phil Zuckerman: Why Evangelicals Hate Jesus

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posted on Mar, 17 2011 @ 06:36 AM
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I was cooped up with an evangelical fun(d)y for 5 years at work.
he insisted on discussing politics and religion....like he knew what he was talking about...

Those brown people that Jesus went the middle east to save...
they all gots to die...
so jesus can come back and RULE
( I ain't votin for him)
so American evengelicals can rule the world and then go to heaven.
You go to heaven because you take the bible literally
Following Jesus' teachings or the ten commandments is for the NOT REAL CHRISTIANS!
and those who do are NOT REAL CHRISTIANS, and are doing the devil's work and are going to hell.

He doesn't seem to know anything about the zionist paid for criminal Scofield who wrote the concordance that spawned this...this ..this..

PS: according to him NONE of the other Christianities could possbly be christianity because his form is the
ONLY REAL CHRISTIANITY...


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posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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Who is Holy enough to judge my friend?


Jesus? Muhammed? Joseph Smith, Jr?



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by troubleshooter
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You look like that Raelian guy...are you that Raelian guy?


Don't judge on appearances my friend but judge...

Oh never mind, just watch




With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Mar, 18 2011 @ 10:55 AM
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Originally posted by Danbones
He doesn't seem to know anything about the zionist paid for criminal Scofield who wrote the concordance that spawned this...this ..this..


Actually, Scofield is responsible for Dispensationalism, not Evangelicalism -- evangelicals have been around since the 1700s. Most dispensationalists are evangelicals, but few evangelicals are dispensationalists, just because there's not a lot of the latter. When you hear someone yammering on about the Rapture, it's generally because they heard the term, or read Left Behind, not because they are a dispensationalist.

I'm not one, either, but I recently bought a Scofield reference Bible so that I could see what they're up to, and for the most part, so far it seems pretty harmless, just an annotated King James Bible. Where does the "zionist paid for criminal" part arise from?



posted on Mar, 19 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint
huh???
what kind of shabby research is this???

I am an evangelical Christian and I can
assure you I do NOT hate Jesus.


It seems to me that the Jesus whom the evangelicals love so much is just projection of their imagination and not the Jesus who is depicted in the Gospels.

In my many debates with Christians, whenever I refer to the actual stated teachings of Jesus and the religion of Jesus (fundamentalist Judaism) it is quite clear to me that the Christians do actually hate the Jesus of the Gospels with a passion.

The Jesus of the Gospels was a person who is portrayed as promoting strict adherence to the letter of the genocidal Mosaic Law and the Prophets. Perhaps an exception to this is when he opposed an execution of an adultress, however this is a clear contradiction with his statements demanding strict adherence to the Law.

We find in the Gospels a person who was clearly an anti-monetarist and an anti-propertyist (i.e., a primitivist Communist), who forbade shoe wearing, money carrying and demanded having no more possessions than a single robe and a sword; unless of course you did not possess a sword and then you would have to sell your only robe to buy a sword, in which case you would be a sword carrying nudist. He attempted to convince persons to give up their possessions, their homes (sell all and give the money to the poor and follow Jesus), abandon their families and become wandering exorcists, fake healers and fake miracle workers (unless of course you believe that they had discovered a cure for leprosy and blindness).

In contrast the "Jesus" so loved by the American evangelicals tends to be an anti-Communist, Capitalist icon who has nothing whatsoever to do with the Jesus of the Gospels; this American evangelical Jesus is thus purely a figment of their imaginations and a projection of their own personal beliefs.


And I approve of gun ownership due to
self-defense. Where in the Bible does it
say we cannot defend ourselves???


Oh yes well you are required to wage war against the Gentiles (non Jews) and to exterminate all enemies of the genocidal Bronze Age tribal deity of the ancient Israelites. Weapons are thus essential. Unless you take Jesus' "Do not go into the towns and cities of the Gentiles" literally.


And I approve of Capital Punishment
not because of the ideas presented
in this report but because the Bible
also states an eye for an eye.


Many of the 613 Laws of Moses are executonable offences. Of the 10 commandments, 9 are executionable offences. Don't forget to demand the death sentance for all persons who work on the Sabbath (i.e., today, Saturday) or who fail to observe the Sabbath as a day of rest (and who post on Internet forums today), and for adulterers, blasphemers (such as myself; I love to blasphem against the evil deity of the Bible), persons who worship other gods, and for persons who disobey their parents and women who are found not to be virgins when they are sold into slavery.

And don't forget to stop eating shellfish, and stop shaving your beard and cutting your hair. You are also forbidden to marry a Gentile unless she is a child virgin whom you have caputred in war; Gentiles are only good for being put to the sword or bought and sold as slaves.

And if you follow all these edicts you will be a living testimony to others of genocidal insanity.



This report is completely taken out of
context to attack Christians.


Oh any excuse to attack Christians is a good excuse, but quoting the Bible is always "out of context" for a Christian, since they anyway reject the Biblical teachings apart from a few "cherry picked" texts which support their own personal prejudices and beleifs.


Originally posted by boondock-saint

Like I said, this report is just an attack
on Christianity by twisting words out of
context for an agenda.





Which is exactly what the anti-Communist, pro-Capitalist, US Christian Right do.

Lux


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posted on Mar, 20 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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To an extent this article is correct, but the political machinations behind it are appallingly transparent. Basically, the Huffington Post is condoning communism and/or socialism by making an appeal to religion. I think Ya'hshuah was beyond political ideologies. Yes, we should be pacifist, give our money to the poor, forgive others, and stop worrying about material things, but I also happen to believe in free will. The issue with socialism and communism is that they force these values on everyone. I totally support the ideals as set out on the Sermon on the Mount and recognize that if they were implemented we wouldn't live in a society of "capitalist excess", but I adamantly stand against any attempt to force this through worldly institutions. This has to be a change of heart through faith in God, not a change in the world by the world that Christians are supposed to reject. This is why I don't support Theocracy either, because it negates free will and enforces the "will of God" by worldly institutions. Both of these approaches change by force and not by free will and therefor should be avoided like the plague. Yes, the fundies are enormous hypocrites, but they have every right to be. I also have every right to point out their hypocrisy and be ignored. After which I shall do as Ya'hshuah instructed and shake the dust from my feet and leave them in their ignorance.



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:03 AM
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Originally posted by forbiddenhealing
Come on,...Christian, they don't have a clue. Born-again Bush and his neo-con cabal caused the murders of how many beloved neighbors? Funded extravagant inappropriate pharma? Allowed fracking, unscrubbed coal burning, and oil rip-offs and deregulated deep ocean drilling and a free for all financial hosing? And trampled the God inspired constitution?
The organized evangelical "Christians" worship Jesus as an idol but never put his message into action. These do-gooders want to control everyone's behaviors but come off as pure hypocrites.
Simple logic will penetrate the lies and lead one through the valley of the shadow of corporate media. Learn the truth, www.forbidenhealingforum.com. Drink deep my friends!


If I had to assume a generic label. I don't know what I could call myself, because I am not associated with any demonization, er, I mean denomination. But I do believe that Jesus is the Son of God. He died for my sins. That God raised Him from the dead. And that He is coming at the end of this age to "fix" the earth. And set up a wonderful Kingdom unlike any since the first to now.

As far as how I am supposed to act. The above quoted post is sadly too true of most christians. But as for this christian (me), I believe I must do my best to follow what Jesus said to do, which is;

Love my enemies, bless them that curse me, do good to them that hate me, and pray for those who despitefully use me, and talk badly about me. (Matthew 5: 44) Also, to love the Lord my God with all my heart, with all my soul, with all my mind, and with all my strength And to love all the family of humanity as much as I do myself (care for needs when I see them and God has given me the ability to do so. I can always pray for others) (Mark 12: 30,31)

Am I all that yet? Have I accomplished being like these verses say I should be. Sadly , NO.

But HE which started this good work in me , HE shall surely finish it. (First Thesselonians 5: 24)

I'm not as bad as I was a year ago, and I am not as good as I will be a year from now. i am HIS work in progress.

I vote. I am perplexed and dismayed at the issues and how "Wag the Dog" they are. But I maintain my sanity through prayer, and learning the Fear of the Lord, which is the beginning of all knowledge and wisdom (Pro.1: 7)


Peace,
dplversion.blogspot.com...



posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 03:17 AM
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tell that to the fundie in question and that is my point about faith,,,
I describe him also as a dispensationalist..
also a crook at work which is why we have parted ways
he can do that because he is going to heaven because of his protestant faith
no matter he is a crook to pay his mortage
or the deal he signed witht the Satanist bankers he is always on about

point being:
faith gets him into heaven no matter what his behavior
and he justifies it with the most gibbled lack of logic I have ever seen.
thats the problem
and thats my point...

it was OK to lie about the incubator babies and WMD
and
attack Iraq because the skull and Bones man GWB represented christian familly values....


and it is OK for our PM Harper to bend over for Israel BEFORE the country is elected to serve

Scofeld was a con artist in the employ of Zionsts

I realize there are truly people who practice what they preach, but this is about the FAUX people who don't
there is a big difference

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posted on Mar, 23 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
he can do that because he is going to heaven because of his protestant faith

.. snip ..

faith gets him into heaven no matter what his behavior


Well, if the Protestants are right, he's in for a bit of a surprise, because what he thinks they teach is not what they do teach. Yes, we're not judged on works, because nothing we do is ever going to be "good enough", instead, we are judged on the validity of our faith, and if he reads Paul and James's letters in the Bible, it's abundantly clear that continuing to intentionally sin demonstrates a faith which is not legitimate.


Scofeld was a con artist in the employ of Zionsts


Again, I'm curious as to the basis for this claim -- since I'm studying the dispensational perspective, understanding what the original motivation of Scofield might have been would have an impact. And would that also apply to the guy that actually came up with dispensationalism, John Darby? Or just Scofield and his annotated Bible?



posted on May, 22 2011 @ 11:59 PM
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Even though I am no fan of Evangelical's, this article is very disingenuous and one could argue is more of a reflection of the contempt/hatred Academia and the Huffington post routinely show towards those of "white" skin coloration and Christianity. It is nothing more then marxist pig's applying what they learned from "Rules for Radical's".



Jesus unambiguously preached mercy and forgiveness. These are supposed to be cardinal virtues of the Christian faith. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of the death penalty, draconian sentencing, punitive punishment over rehabilitation, and the governmental use of torture.


The death penalty is only given to those convicted of murder so a case of Rules for Radical's here. As for torture/ and unreasonably harsh sentencing for lesser crimes the author makes some points.



Jesus exhorted humans to be loving, peaceful, and non-violent. And yet Evangelicals are the group of Americans most supportive of easy-access weaponry, little-to-no regulation of handgun and semi-automatic gun ownership, not to mention the violent military invasion of various countries around the world.


Author caught in a direct lie/fact manipulation. Even though Jesus advocated peace, he wasn't a brainless leftist. He had his own followers travel with swords "just in case". And another thing the author fails to account for is that most Evangelicals believe the Party line about the cause of the military invasion. So in their minds the USA has "Just Cause"(meaning if the Government was telling the Truth instead of telling lies to expand corporate profit it would be justifiable as acts of self defense).



Jesus was very clear that the pursuit of wealth was inimical to the Kingdom of God, that the rich are to be condemned, and that to be a follower of Him means to give one's money to the poor. And yet Evangelicals are the most supportive of corporate greed and capitalistic excess, and they are the most opposed to institutional help for the nation's poor -- especially poor children.


BAM. Right there the author exposed himself as a Marxist who is a christian hating bigot, trying to apply Rules for Radical's. Jesus supported hard work and was against heavy taxation(remember the money changers). People are supposed to donate money willingly and of their own accord. Not be forced to pay tax's comparable to those levied by the Romans(And were did that tax money go? It went to Romes social institution to help Romes poor).

There is no point in continuing to read because the author is a bigot with an objective.


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posted on May, 23 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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yes I do get Fundy and evangelical intermixed as do the christians that I know that have melded it all into something like a religious Pizza

No offence to anyone who is actually trying to be a good person


"Oh sure," she excitedly exclaimed. "That is what the Scofield Bible, which my husband and I love, says. The Jews shall reign over all the earth. They are God's Chosen. In helping them to rebuild their great temple, I am helping to usher in the Kingdom of the Jews."...

....Cyrus Scofield, a corrupt, crooked lawyer funded by Zionist Jews from New York City in the late 19th century. Scofield's heresies promoting a Jewish kingdom and an earthly Zionist New World Order to be ruled over by a god-like Jewish race, without any Christian gentiles around to mess things up, soon became fashionable among some apostate denominations, especially among the Southern Baptists and their heavily Masonic Lodge membership....

....Scofield and his Talmudic Jewish mentors conceived of a coming worldly kingdom led by powerful Jews who would reign over inferior Gentiles for a thousand years. Jewish rabbis everywhere must be laughing hysterically that the preposterous Scofield scam has worked out so beautifully over the years...

www.jesus-is-savior.com...
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just an aside
False Prophets EXPOSED!
www.jesus-is-savior.com...
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posted on May, 23 2011 @ 12:47 AM
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And who was Cyrus Scofield?

As a young con-artist in Kansas after the Civil War, he met up with John J. Ingalls, an aging Jewish lawyer who had been sent to Atchison by the "Secret Six" some thirty years before to work the Abolitionist cause. Pulling strings both in Kansas and with his compatriots back east, Ingalls assisted Scofield in gaining admission to the Bar, and procured his appointment as Federal Attorney for Kansas. Ingalls and Scofield became partners in a railroad scam which led to Cyrus serving time for criminal forgery.

While he was in prison, Scofield began studying the philosophy of John Darby, pioneer of the Plymouth Brethren movement and the "any moment now" rapture doctrine.


from the above link
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posted on May, 23 2011 @ 07:42 AM
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No offense, but all that comes off as an anti-Semitic rant, and a quick look at the root site (www.jesus-is-savior.com...) doesn't make me any less confident that these guys base their claims on anything other than their own skewed opinion.

I know that you didn't write that text, and I'm still not a fan of Scofield and Dispensationalism, but that quote makes me more likely to read him, not less. When fringe people get that worked up about someone, it often means that there's something worthwhile within.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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To be honest, a true christian wouldn't even support a politician.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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I'm ignorant to Scolfield, don't know anything about that man or his Bible version. But if it's not a KJV I wouldn't know about it anyways. Now, as far as Dispensationalism, that is a fact. Paul hammers home the idea that God is NOT finished yet with Israel in chapters 9,10, and 11 of Romans. The actual heresy is "Replacement Theology", the teaching that the church has replaced Israel in God's plan for mankind. Many of the promises God made to Israel are eternal ones and were even given to Israel in seasons of rebellion.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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A Scofield Reference Bible (or at least the 1917 edition that I have) is a regular old King James Version, with Scofield's notes throughout the margins (effectively, an inline-commentary.) His commentary goes beyond the Dispensational view, of course, but that's the allure of his reference Bible.

I don't have any issues with the concept of Dispensationalism directly (at least not at this point, I'm still studying,) but I think that it can lead to misinformed claims like Harold Camping's, which does Christianity no favours. Personally, when the future Kingdom happens, how it happens and whether I'm still around to see it aren't things that I worry about. All in God's good time.

I purchased my copy of Scofield last year, after being cautioned to avoid editions after the 1917, and had to order it from ChristianBookshelf or some other online vendor -- the guy at the local Christian bookstore looked at me like I'd asked for a copy of the "Satanic Bible" when I asked if they had one in stock (which made me all the more interested in getting one, lol.)



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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What's briefly the issue with Scofield though, sorry this is the first I've heard of this controversy. And Dispensationalism has nothing to do with Harold Camping's displays of being a false prophet on Saturday and in 1994.

His issue is He thinks Jesus is lying in Matthew 24:36, or is unaware that verse is in the Bible. And if the man thinks Jesus was lying his issues are far greater than two failed prophecies.



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
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What's briefly the issue with Scofield though, sorry this is the first I've heard of this controversy.


Well, for the other poster, it seems to be rooted in anti-Semitism (not necessarily on the part of the poster, but the sources he's cited,) aroused by Scofield's positive view of the Jews. It was also the first I'd heard of it, which was why I'd asked him for the clarification.

You know me... I spend little time on "end times" sorts of things like the Rapture or Millenarianism (and all the resulting arguments that result) because I think that it detracts from there here and now. Being right with God today, that's what matters, not getting ready for the Rapture, because I'm far more likely to meet my maker as a result of natural causes than because of the end of the Age, and that's the same as everyone else.

One of my favourite movie quotes:


Agent Smith: You hear that Mr. Anderson?... That is the sound of inevitability... It is the sound of your death... Goodbye, Mr. Anderson...


Both my demise and Christ's return are inevitable, and I figure it's pointless to spend a lot of time on either. (Observation that Agent Smith was wrong is duly noted
)



posted on May, 23 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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Both my demise and Christ's return are inevitable, and I figure it's pointless to spend a lot of time on either.


I hear you, but if Christ chided the Pharisees for not knowing the signs of their time shouldn't we learn from that? For every prophecy concerning Christ's first coming there are 3 dealing with His 2nd coming. But also, one of my gifts is prophecy/discernment and it's always been a special place put on my heart by the Lord.

As far as Scofield goes, I live by this verse:

"I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you.."

The Replacement Theology leads to anti-Semitism, Martin Luther was quite anti-Semetic in his writings and was fuel for the Nazi Holocaust in part.
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posted on May, 23 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
I hear you, but if Christ chided the Pharisees for not knowing the signs of their time shouldn't we learn from that? For every prophecy concerning Christ's first coming there are 3 dealing with His 2nd coming.


I suspect that might have been a matter of them making bad decisions because of their failure to see that the scriptures were playing out before their eyes. Being familiar with what is prophesied and having open eyes to the world around us just seems like common sense, but, like I said, it similarly seems rather foolish to live an unrighteous life because one sees no signs of the end.


But also, one of my gifts is prophecy/discernment and it's always been a special place put on my heart by the Lord.


I envy you that. When I mark my gifts, they are in mundane areas, and I'm never too happy to recall that both Judas and I held the same position of the keeper of the money... I do try to serve a little better than he did, though.



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