Wisconsin Cap on Lockdown!

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Those are not the real protesters. Those folks are the same people who take advantage of others real protests. They are doing anything they can to get their faces on the news and make YouTube video's to impress their childish friends. They are not impressing anyone.

What I find odd is they don't believe in Democracy. That much is clear. Attempting to stop the government because their leaders lost the elections is pretty revealing about who they are.

Education is really sad when they turn out a crop of young people who don't understand their share of zero is zero and that the only money there is, is what the government takes away from others. Or they do understand and their just a full of crap.

I can't believe anyone would equate this to real protests in the Middle East. Sad, really sad. Oh well, happens every few decades.

Next you will see lot's of the older politicians retire all of the sudden and a new crop will come in. The new crop will mess up just as bad and thirty or forty years from now it will start all over again. Isn't Democracy wonderful and I'm serious about that. You can be a total clown, illiterate and protesting for things you don't even understand and it's OK. Gotta love that about America.

Ignore this silliness as it will go away when they get bored. Childish minds don't have a long attention span. The real danger is in the real protests in the Middle East, not with children playing at being adults. Everyone knows those brats are being orchestrated by Union Thugs and confidence people like Jackson who is now involved. Jessee could give a crap less about anyone but himself. Why he can't stay forgotten where he belongs boggles the mind. A know confidence man and yet people still follow that idiot. I wonder which Mistress he is showering with donated money now for sex? Why he is not in jail is insane. You or I funnell money out of a charity for sex and we go to jail.

Before this started the same people in many cases were complaining about how crooked the Unions are and the politicians they bribe. Now all of the sudden they pretend this involves them. Amazing. Fakes and phonies.

The worst however were the Teachers buying fake sick slips from MD's on the street to help them defraud the taxpayers out of pay for not going to work. Then those losers think anyone could trust them to teach their children? Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Folks do anything you can to get your children into private schools. You don't think Obama's kids are being taught by activist teachers do you? Hell no, they are getting the finest education money can buy. Those Teachers could not get a job in a good school.

Zero Hedge is now reporting that politicians are getting death threats over the plans for austerity in Wisconsin.

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Is it true that the Republican polotitions got a bomb threat? I read that somewhere. Might have something to do with this.

Originally posted by bertapearl
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EMERGENCY There will be emergency rallies protesting the action of the Wisconsin power grab in State Capitals in all fifty states at noon today. Your attendance will show our support of the Wisconsin folks, and let our State legislation know we stand in solidarity against this railroading of the American People!

DEFEND YOUR RIGHTS! STAND UP NOW!

Okay; Only if you can explain in no uncertain terms exactly what is happening in Madison(how it affects all unions as claimed) and what you/we would be protesting against tomorrow? and if you don't live here and "pay the bills up in this mf'er" then get your weasley sign waving; entitled; lemming butt back to your own state capital...

Originally posted by silent thunder
Zero Hedge is now reporting that politicians are getting death threats over the plans for austerity in Wisconsin.

edit on 3/10/11 by silent thunder because: (no reason given)

As for the threats, anytime I see something like this and it serves to be beneficial to the politicians, I tend to call BS immediately. Too many instances of unethical tactics have been used by TPTB to garner any trust from me whatsoever.

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I just got done watching a video of the protesters being dragged out, and I just was explained to what exactly is going on that this is about the Republican's just made Unions illegal in WI. Okay, now I'm taking this more seriously. I'm going to be frank this got my fight or flight adrenalin running. I am a bit scared about this. It could spread state to state. I hope this all get's resolved, but let's face it there has been quite a bit of build up on their web about what the government plans to do on 2012 to us. I was hoping it would all blow over in burocracy. I am hoping the wonderful USA's 200 year cool streak is not up like all the hype has been saying. You know all governments last 200 years for the most part. Rome lasted a while, but I think it either lasted only 200 years, or it was broken up into different government fractions over the course of time. The faces on the cops, and the furry in the protesters made me feel that it is not far to speculate that there could be some blood shed. The unions were created with blood shed, and so it does not look so good historically when they say "no more unions". Personally that's just a political issue I would just leave be, to late. Plus I am not sure about this, but I just heard a rumor of a bomb threat several militia attacks. That would be a big deal.

Um Blaine those protests in the middle east arent organic either, they're well organized from here by the same people who are organizing those here. It'll take just a little digging to put 2 and 2 together but it isnt hard.

There is nothing about none of this that is organic except the useful idiots who are reacting to the puppetmasters.

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WOW!

What are you? A politician, or a banker, or a lawyer, or a mortgage broker who makes loads of money for doing very little except lying and stealing from anyone you can to line your own pockets? Or a business owner who steals from the government by fudging on their taxes, and by default, cheats taxpayers as well? (sarcasm)

Of course, I don't know you, but hey, others can make assumptions as well.

I'm SURE you must be a Republican......

YOU sound like you have an agenda here. I have never read a statement containing so many ignorant assumptions in one place.

I guess you personally know all these people are childish pretenders who are out to defraud poor taxpayers like yourself, is that it?

I guess educated professionals who spent many years in school and are still undergoing continuing education as a requirement of their employment, only deserve to be compensated with decent salaries if they are NOT teachers.

And I guess if teachers take on a hard job like working in the public school system, they must all be low life cheats that deserve what they get, because, hey, how good could they be if they can't get a PRIVATE school job, right?

Hey, why should anyone be able to get a union job and make a decent wage, when they could just get a couple of fast food jobs instead, right?

Oh by the way, I am not a teacher, OR a union employee, and I don't have any relatives that are teachers anymore, although two of my uncles were teachers, and very caring, good teachers who both worked in the public school system. When each of my uncles died, hundreds of former students came to the funeral homes to pay their last respects. Many of the former students had wonderful stories to tell about how their lives were impacted in a positive way by having known them and been taught by them.

How many young people's lives have you impacted in a positive way in your life?

Another assumption on my part, since I don't know you, but what difference does that make, right? Judging by your response above, probably not many?

How much money and benefits DO you think teachers deserve, and since you mentioned it, do private school teachers deserve more, since they are so much better?


And, whether you agree with it or not, they have a right to protest if they feel they are being unfairly targeted to make up the budget deficit in the state. The way the whole thing is going down really doesn't look right.

This was written by Martin Niemoller, said to be written in 1946.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out - because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out - because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak out for me.

This arguments against the protesters are flimsy, nonsensical arguments that collapse under the weight of facts.

Public unions cost too much! Deficit!
Actually, the Wisconsin deficit was not caused by taxpayer-funded public unions, it was tax breaks to the wealthy elite of the country. Taxes cover the deficit, simple as that.

Taxed to death enough already!
Propaganda again. Lets look at other countries where there is higher taxation (places where public unions exist strongly). Wages in those countries are much higher than the US in order to compensate for the discrepancy.

Let us not forget that public sector workers are consumers too. They fuel the economy by the purchasing of goods just as much as workers from the private sector. Of course, consumers themselves need to be payed in order to consume. Let us not ignore what the long-term plan of people behind the new rise of "libertarian" conservatism: the privatization of the the majority of the Federal Government. Privatization inevitably comes with the laying off of workers. Watch those unemployment rates skyrocket! Watch the economy tumble further! Then what? With all of our free-trade treaties in place, will the newly privatized jobs be whisked off overseas? I wouldn't be surprised.

What really gets me is that the people attacking collective bargaining for public sector employees are the same people that claim to adhere to the Constitution. Um, did they forget the First Amendment?

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

ats kinda makes me mad... ill get back to that.
I went to protests yesterday, and it was amazing to see that many people after one goal. I truly think MSM account of the day was extremly underplayed. My personal guess is several hundred thousand people attending. At 2pm it was announced that over 250,000 signatures had been attained for the repeal petition, as well as protest organizers had run out of the 150,000 'pink slips' (pre addressed cards asking for walker to step down) and were rushing to have more made.

Annon had a presence there and I felt moved. The farmers union was represented with tractors and combines, as well as iron workers, teachers, Auto workers, artists, and yes even the cabbies made a show of circling the outer square with cabs and honking in unison. All i saw on MSM were several blurbs about the large crowd. There were so many people there we were walking shoulder to shoulder ad we filled the square, streets to the square, and capital grounds. Even as I was struggling to leave the event, thousands more were pouring in. The people of WI do not want are unions stepped on. and yes from the people i spoke with most were from WI. 1 out of 25 was not, but even those worked here through a union.

now back to why I am kinda mad ats, and it is a bit childish, but I think it is ridiculous how hard it is to add pics here. why cant i copy a pic and past it here like on so many other blogs. I have to upload pics one at a time from my comp to my pics folder, then copy the url to the reply. If there is a shortcut to this please let me know and i will retract my statement. but here is a pic or two





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Ok,

Since I started this thread, I believe it only fair to weigh in on my thoughts about unions.

Do I believe they are necessary? Absolutely.

Unfortunately, until we can all have fair treatment by our bosses regarding pay, medical, race, color, religion etc, unions ARE necessary. A union is often times the only means for an individual to have a voice against TPTB.

Unions were necessary at one time because it was too easy for the bosses to just fire someone for no reason at all. Or to not even hire someone because of personal beliefs such as not liking a skin color, ethnicity or sexual orientation.

When human rights garnered more strength during the 60's and 70's, it would have been the perfect scenario to disband unions as there were other ways to be heard such as courts of law. Can you imagine what the judicial system would look like if we had to go to court to fight for equality every time we were denied a bathroom break at work?

Having said that, most of these unions were formed because of powerful, greedy and unethical corporations that served nothing but the board members, stock holders and thus, the dollar. Now, the corporations have been replaced by the Govt. as it keeps getting bigger and in many areas has become the largest employer.

Now I believe the unions are more necessary than ever because it has become a case of people standing up not against a manager at McDonald's, but their own oppressive Govt. Those people that would hate unions for being able to be heard should be looking at who the fight is against.

Look around. If you truly believe that your Govt is not corrupt and has your best interests at heart, then I understand your hatred of unions. But, if you are like many of us that see what is being done to the little guy (you and me) then you should be thankful that a group of people are standing up for not only their rights as employees but all of our rights as citizens. This is why Asia makes our sneakers and toys.

Now, can a union get out of hand? Absolutely! No question about it. I believe however, that the Wisconsin protests are fair because they don't fight for anything more than what was promised or for what they already had.

Why is it spreading? Because people are FINALLY waking up to see who the REAL bosses are. And it ain't Bob at the local Chinese take out.

Just my 2 cents.