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reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 12:52 AM by GambitVII
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I sense a bit of hostility... but what of it? If it takes a challenge to wake gamers up then so be it!

If your looking for modern day titles that annihilate these so called "plot based games" in terms of plot, NIER and most especially 9 people 9 Doors 9 Hours (NDS) easily have a much more magnificently woven aspects of character development, plot execution, and overall depth. I'd say more but you asked for classics. Nier has some weak sides but the plot and the music is what makes it a classic.

If you want to TRUELY acquire wisdom from some serious titles, do your research on the following. And I assure you, fans of these games played hundreds titles before making their judgment. Quite frankly, people haven't stepped out of "mainstream" until they've experience titles of these caliber.

- XenoGears
- Planescape Torment
- XenoSaga
- Baldurs Gate 2
- Legacy of Kain
- Suikoden 2
- Silent Hill 2

And I'll stop here to at least give you some my favorite of the bunch.
These 'plot based' games are missing the substance that games before the 360 generation have delivered. Most of it surrounds Hollywood tactics that sell easy but they sacrifice substance in the name of profits. Much of that contributes to how games like Xenosaga fall hard but Xenosaga survived the carnage of "exiling" its most influential staff members including the director and producers for the sake of rushing the second game.

Once again, do your research. And don't get back at me without getting in touch with these titles. With all due respect: most people (in this case quite possibly yourself included) are too caught up with hollywood gimmicks to understand whats lacking in terms of substance for literally all forms of media today. (with a few exceptions of course)
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reply posted on 11-3-2011 @ 08:45 PM by GambitVII
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Fair enough and I dont require any sort apology (no offense taken at all). Quite honestly I was looking forward to making some form of debate concerning the substance of games today vs games back then.

Alan Wake is fairly mysterious in it's own right but it fails to truly deliver the same amount of depth and the utilization of said depth throughout the plot.

**SPOILER**
I thought it was just me, but others whom I've conversed with have for-saw such as the 'coming of life" of his writings or how he would trade himself for his wife not to make the same mistake as Zane. Truthfully, if you simply ask the appropriate and fill in the blank with answers the plot unfolds itself quite simply.
**END SPOILER***


----Now bout those games having intricate plots...
I'll be a 'little' bit more detailed as to why that list of games I've chosen by illustrating it in the simplest form without spoiling it too much. Quite frankly, making a few spoilers here won't hurt any future expression since they are so minuscule compare to how far things truly get.

I'll pick two games.
- XENOGEARS
In Xenogears, you start off as a humble resident of a distant village. A set of circumstances lead to the destruction of the village, but it's destruction was a result of your efforts to save it. You learn quickly that the destruction of your hometown was a influenced by an external entity manipulating the events surrounding you so that you may forged into a threat against 'God'. (Now figuring out the truth behind that alone is a kicker).

Of course, as you progress through the game, you save occasionally to ensure you'll be able to continue your game as you please. Later on you run into an enemy "save point factory", and you'll quickly realize that all your save attempts were part of the means and methods for the enemy to observe your progress. mini spoiler.

You can't take my summery at face value, because the existence and purpose of everything you do and everyone your involve with has a purpose.

- PLANESCAPE TORMENT
Your an immortal who finds himself waking up in cell, and for some reason you have no idea who you are or where you are. Your then left with a journey of self discovery, only to find out that everyone around you purposely lied about you and what you've done. And why everyone did that? Your responsible for something you wish you were never involved in.

You can't take my summery at face value, because the existence and purpose of everything you do and everyone your involve with has a purpose.
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Alen Wake merely uses Holywood tricks to create the feeling of mystery without any actually mystery behind it. They merely created open ended interpretations.
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reply posted on 18-2-2012 @ 04:33 PM by GambitVII
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A patch may be required or you'll have to update your drivers. If further problems continue, accessing resources like the official forum will actually help you get this problem diagnosed. (At least, if the devs are active or if someone may has a similar problem & knows how to fix it)


reply posted on 20-2-2012 @ 11:45 AM by D0MiNAT0R 1OOO
reply to post by GambitVII



I'm using the latest Catalyst V12.1
BTW i switched to another game because i think the enemies and the fightsystem (Flashlight+Gun) sucks.
i can't acquire a taste for it. I didn't deinstal it but maybe play it some time later.
I now started "Kingdoms of Amalur "Reckoning" btw its my first try to play a RPG-Game.
Played it now for approx. 4-5h and still like it. I know its not comparable with Alan Wake just needed a good game to play.
We have a long weekend here (its carneval) in germany, but i prefer to stay at home.


reply posted on 22-3-2012 @ 10:10 PM by Chukkles
reply to post by GambitVII



Xeno Gears sound interesting. Enemies using your saving habits against you, that kinda blows my mind.lol.

Anyway, the reason I have brought this thread back is to ask any of the AW fans how American Nightmare is?

I played the demo and it seems less linear and actually has a large area to search and backtrack and search some more.

I never done any of the DLC's for AW, main reason being the lack of replayability I found when I tried hardcore mode. I only done it to get the extra pages and realised I would have to get all the pages I got in the first place anyway (if I remember correctly).

But as a standalone story of AW American Nightmare may or may not be a step in a better direction.
What are your opinians of it.
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