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WTF- this is another violation of the US constitution, bill of rights and, declaration of independence. i wonder who the f*ck would have voted for thsi idiot, and mor eimportantly i bet you no one in Michigan knows about this either. this aint right man


p.s y do a lot of people hate the us constitution/ mock it so much? is it because they dont have one? look the original Constitution gave power to the people but the presidents soon after wilson started to strip away all of the amendments with "emergency laws".

I'm a Michigan native (though I'm not living in Michigan at the moment) and I was outraged when I first read about all of this. It's an absurd bill. Governor Snyder isn't even trying to be subtle about this grab for power. I honestly cannot even comprehend the motivations behind it. One must assume that the man went into politics because of some belief in the ideals of America. Then again, I'd like to think that about most politicians, yet it still seems that the ideals that this country was founded on have been crumbling for a long, long time now.

What really gets me, though, is the apathy. Many of the people I've spoken too simply do not care about this. This is even true of many people in Michigan! I get responses like "this is why I don't watch the news" or "it's less stressful just to remain ignorant of these things." Other people say things like "I don't pay attention to most of this stuff because the media distorts it so much that we never get to hear the whole story anyway." Well, if what we hear is even a fraction of the truth (it is, tragically), we really are in trouble. This should be causing an uproar. The issue is hardly causing a grumble. None of the people I've talked to about the bill think that it is a good idea. In fact, they agree that it's one of the worst things that has happened in Michigan in quite some time. But beyond that...they shrug their shoulders and move on.

I'm heading to Lansing this weekend to do some protesting. I suppose I'll make some phone calls and write some emails/letters, as well. I'm not sure good it will do, but it's something. If half of those in Michigan who felt the same acted similarly, there might be a chance of our discontent really being heard. Then again, when the issue in question is something so overtly malicious (let's be honest--Snyder cannot honestly believe that even a small fraction of the public his fully behind him on this one), I have to wonder if every man, woman, and child in Michigan could shout loud enough to stop it.

Time will tell, I suppose. I hope this is just an isolated event and not the start of a trend (sadly, I suppose this could hardly be called the "start" of this authoritarian government action). Either way, I'll fight it.

"Till shade is gone, till water is gone, into the Shadow with teeth bared, screaming defiance with the last breath, to spit into Sightblinder's eye on the Last Day." ...or some variant of that, haha.

Good luck to all of those living in Michigan right now.

Also: First post on ATS!

Originally posted by Mr Tranny
How come I don’t see anything wrong with it? It is just putting local governments under the same rules as businesses.



If a business files bankrupt, then they send in people that can fire people, replace people, renegotiate agreements, void agreements. Anything that may make the company viable. Or even consider it a lost cause, chop the company up and sell it’s assets.

When a business goes on receivership, it doesn’t mater how many shareholders elected the CEO to his position, if the person appointed to go through the company sees that the CEO is the problem, then he is gone.

This is just along the lines of the same thing for cities/counties.

Currently…. When a city/county goes insolvent, the only thing the state can do is give it more money. They can’t force any of the people out that caused the insolvency!

And insolvency doesn’t just happen on it’s own. The people running the county/city isn’t just helpless victims. They are usually the cause of the problem. But people keep electing them because they like what they do, even if the county/city doesn’t have the money to actually pay for it.

Like a local county here. A local developer had some land in a flood plane that he couldn’t sell. He got his friends in the school board to convince the rest of the people that they needed a new, bigger, better baseball field!!!!!!! So…… guess which land they bought to make the baseball field. You guessed it. How much did they pay for it? Way more than he could get if he sold it for home development. By the end of it, with construction and everything, they was in pretty deep. Come this year, they was facing a million and some shortfall……… Ow wait……. How much did that new baseball field cost?.......... Ow……. Now I get it………

The point is, when you have overgenerous contracts, there is usually someone on the inside that makes that possible. If you void the contract, then the person on the inside will just reinstate it. If you just get rid of the person then the contract is still in force. You have to ditch the contracts, and the people who are awarding them.

No mater how may people elected someone to a government position, if he is the cause of the financial shortfall, then he has to go. There is a breaking point where business can’t go on as usual. We are reaching that breaking point.

edit on 10-3-2011 by Mr Tranny because: (no reason given)

I know many teachers and school employees here in Michigan. The schools spend money according to the previous years funding. If they don't spend it they don't get it. They have to have their expense reports in by a certain time. Lately the state wants these in before they decide how much money schools will get per student. Basically causing schools to sign contracts for supplies and employees without knowing the exact amount of money they are getting. These schools are not going bankrupt because of their own lavish spending habits; Gov Snyder is REDUCING the amount of funding that they get. He is THE CAUSE of the the PROBLEM and his solution is to break up the unions and fire elected officials. Give me an f'n break. This guy is obviously only working for the good of companies.

Smells to me like a test-case....just to see how it goes so other states can follow. You can bet your sweet ass that this comes from somewhere in Washington and is a federal initiative. If you'd ask me....when this 'economic/financial" legislation is in place it will make a lasting marshal-law more...... complete?.

One thing that is not being considered here is immanent domain laws. A city or town or state can take your private property under immanent domain, but they have to show good cause under the law.
If a Corporation has taken over the job of the elected body of a city or town- presumably they can do the same, as they have also taken over that responsibility.

So God forbid if your house is sitting on some resource (coal shale to water) that a Corporation may want it's hands on. Or in a prime location that they just want. They could even raise the property taxes and force people off the land.

Corporations don't have to answer to anyone. At least your municipality does- and you can vote them off. You can't vote anyone out of a corporation.