Apparently, the end of America begins in Michigan!, page 4


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reply posted on 10-3-2011 @ 09:03 PM by xKhaosXREVolutionXx
Originally posted by loam


I am no Rachel Maddow fan and often I find she distorts the truth beyond belief. But I ran across this today, and even if half of what she says is true, this country really is done.

What a PATHETIC political system.



Great, because I just so happen to live in Michigan. And she is definitely right. The state is in ruins, and it's more-or-less a dog-annihilate-dog world. The new governor is trying to impose new taxes on us even though one of his campaign promises included no new taxes. He's a millionaire who has it in his mind that by shoving mathematics and science down my generation's throat, he'll be able to revive this decaying state. What he doesn't realize is that we don't need math and science, we need innovation and creativity to re-structure the old economy. And I don't know if the rest of the kids are like this, but the ones in my school won't do anything unless it can be done within the span of five minutes.

That being said, we have potential. But instead of going beyond full capacity, we choose to ignore it.


reply posted on 10-3-2011 @ 09:24 PM by freedish
reply to post by loam



I don't see what the big deal is...just another anti-union bill. And it's not like its this guys fault our country has been ravaged by unions. Someones gotta clean up the mess...

BTW I can't stand watching Rachel Maddow for more than 20 seconds...I get dizzy from all the spin.


reply posted on 10-3-2011 @ 09:30 PM by General.Lee
reply to post by loam



What is happening here is essentially the same thing the Obama administration has been doing since he took office; finding ways to skirt the constitution and proper legislation to impose his will on the people. This is equivalent to having a vote to null and void the state constitution.

However, I am somewhat torn on this issue. I believe unions played a major role in putting Michigan where they are now. Even as the auto industry was fatally wounded and dying a slow death, the unions still wanted more, more more. When they were laid off they went into labor pools. Between what unemployment paid and what the auto makers continued to pay, they were making 80% of their base wage...all the while being laid off. This situation is the same; Detroit is in deep doo doo but the unions don't want to give anything up to save the ship. They want to have the power to run it into the ground. Then, when the budget is exhausted and there's nothing left to pay them, they'll all cry about not having jobs. I see this as a desperate attempt to salvage what's left of Michigan. If they let the union thugs run Detroit completely into the ground, that will be another huge nail in the coffin that is the Michigan economy. But, again, union employees don't care; it's all about them.


reply posted on 10-3-2011 @ 09:37 PM by xKhaosXREVolutionXx
reply to post by mpriebe81



I've found a few articles on the bill (I'm assuming you're talking about the infamous tax bill, if not then ignore this reply). But I can't really find an article using quotes from the bill itself, you can try looking but I don't think they post stuff like that on the web.

www.freep.com...

The article below is a really good one.
detnews.com...

If I find anymore, I will post them.


reply posted on 10-3-2011 @ 09:48 PM by nivekronnoco
reply to post by FriedrichNeecher



You clearly know nothing about either unions or michigan...
Read a book.



reply posted on 10-3-2011 @ 09:55 PM by nivekronnoco
reply to post by Mr Tranny



How come I don’t see anything wrong with it?
I believe that's because you're an idiot.


reply posted on 10-3-2011 @ 10:37 PM by LifeInDeath
Originally posted by Mr Tranny
The constitution doesn’t dictate how the state manages it’s self. In fact, the constitution would support the bill because it would fall under state’s rights.
edit on 10-3-2011 by Mr Tranny because: (no reason given)

You are wrong, actually the Constitution
DOES dictate how the state manages itself:

Article IV - The States

Section 4 - Republican government

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.


This law totally destroys any form of republican government at the state level. It allows a Governor to appoint people who can dismiss any local legislator who does not agree with his political point of views. It's completely anti-republican.


reply posted on 10-3-2011 @ 10:46 PM by nunya13
So if the supposed logic here is that these elected officials did such a terrible job managing their budgets that they should be thrown out by one person who makes the call, why can't the people throw out anyone they see fit? Why do we have to jump through flaming hoops and over shark infested waters to get rid of elected officials who do even worse than mismanagement and just plain go corrupt?

This is ridiculous!!

There is some sort of systematic agenda going on here. Its like all the republican governors got together to figure out how best to screw the middle class while keeping the bank accounts of the wealthy stuffed with money they should be paying in taxes.

They have successfully managed to turn all rage AWAY from corporations/wall street and toward unions? All of a sudden unions are the reason our country is headed to heck in a hand basket? You people honestly think that by disbanding unions, all our problems will magically go away? No! The only thing getting rid of unions accomplishes is paving the way for corporations to gain even more profit, hire even cheaper labor, and send even more jobs overseas.

But go ahead, keep supporting these bastards. I can't wait for the amnesia to set in when you're scratching your head wondering how we went from a bad economy to an even sh###ier one. Cuz you all seem to have forgotten about when they convinced us giving them tax beaks would mean we would all somehow be billionaires, too! When they convinced us that we needed to deregulate to keep the cash and the jobs flowing. Now people are jobless, homeless, and penniless and it's all the unions fault? You guys are gullible.
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