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Wis. GOP bypasses Dems, cuts collective bargaining

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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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Thankfully trash service is private in my county (walworth), as I have no doubt an overpaid union parasite would take much longer to get the job done.

Public sector workers have little impact on the secure city ratings either. When it comes to snow removal, frankly they do a crappy job. How about K-12 schools on average here?

Taxes are high enough here, we sure as hell dont need more overpaid, under performing losers demanding more of our money.




posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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Is this post supposed to be taken seriously? If you're really behind a billionaire who would like to strip rights away from working people that's fine with me, I never said I supported the supposed "union bosses" though I do personally know a former Union President who is a good person, and helped negotiate the future for teachers all across my state.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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What rights are being stripped?

These rights are enumerated where?



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:06 AM
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Yes I agree it is about time someone put the kabosh on those sweet union deals. My friend is in the teachers union and has an incredible health care package. You and I we get the average plan. State workes should be next. How can they get all these sweet deals while we get the shaft.

Tool workers making 6 figures is crazy. These jobs need to be cut that is why we have such huge deficits so these unions can reep all the benifits.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by MindSpin
Well...the dictator finally got his way.


Bad news for residents of Wisconsin.



The best news EVER for Democrats concerning the 2012 elections.

Ha!...
Live here? (U.S.?) (Wi?)
No?
myob...
I'm sure your state has its own problems...



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Originally posted by David9176
So who's buying all the public utilities????????

Those just went for sale as well correct?

I glad you see this too....Are these people in here so blind in here to see what just happened...?
People wake up! The GOP of Wisconsin just used a state budget crisis to bury a section of the bill that reads as the following...

(1) Notwithstanding ss. 13.48 (14) (am) and 16.705 (1), the department may sell any state−owned heating, cooling, and power plant or may contract with a private entity for the operation of any such plant, with or without solicitation of bids, for any amount that the department determines to be in the best interest of the state. Notwithstanding ss. 196.49 and 196.80, no approval or certification of the public service commission is necessary for a public utility to purchase, or contract for the operation of, such a plant, and any such purchase is considered to be in the public interest and to comply with the criteria for certification of a project under s. 196.49 (3) (b).
ON TOP OF THAT
They are using tax increases in the exact same amount budget wise that would cover the tax breaks the Koch brothers recieved....WOW...Way to go dummies..way to buy into that right left smoke screen...



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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You MORON...

You have no idea what this means. This means that YOU, or "We the people" have lost and that corporate interests have won. Are you so blind that you can't see this?

You are everything that is wrong with this country. And your time will be OVER soon.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:38 AM
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Originally posted by AmericanaOverdrive
reply to post by FriedrichNeecher
 


Is this post supposed to be taken seriously? If you're really behind a billionaire who would like to strip rights away from working people that's fine with me, I never said I supported the supposed "union bosses" though I do personally know a former Union President who is a good person, and helped negotiate the future for teachers all across my state.


Dead seriously: Unions are defacto billionaires defacto corporations and they abuse their duespayers by forcing their jobs overseas TO MILITATE FOR NEW DUESPAYERS in FOREIGN COUNTIRES while they drop you off on the charity doorstep.
Time that the employer had a voice in who they hired. Bargaining without leaving is not barganing, its extortion.
Bargain collectively all you want as long as you are forced to accept the taxpayer can get a better value for his money elsewhere,. Limit that, its extortion. Not gonna work no mo, because extortion attempts always run out of money or out of victims
edit on 10-3-2011 by FriedrichNeecher because: thats the way I roll



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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My children are most likely going to have to go to private school. This takes money out of my pocket. Our entire family was publically taught, my mother is a retired Chicago public school teacher. We are proud of the education we recieved and see no reason a dedicated student can't be successful with a public education be it inner-city or in a well-to-do suburban public school. Now the choice we are left with - send our kids to public with resentful, underpaid teachers and crowded classrooms or go private and leave our children open to the teachings of anything they deem necessary. I can't wait until dinner conversations revolove around God and Intelligent Design. If we wanted that - we would send our kids to church.
Thinking the Dem's have a great shot in 2012 is short sighted as reports of recall elections favor the dems immediately. The Gov's poll #'s show he would have lost by a landslide if the public would have seen this coming. Hindsight. Is any of this savings going to go to improving public schools? Sure. This whole thing was Un-American and disgusting. Making children pay the price is unforgiveable. Putting people's safety at risk is unforgivable. Snow removal is already terrible in this area and now will only get worse. Anything publically run will suffer from this and in turn the lives of everyone in this state.
My daughter and I were playing the secret game last night where we whisper secrets into each others ear. After about 5 rounds, I ran out and let my frustration get the best of me. My final secret was this: "Republicans are one of three things - Insanely rich, insanely stupid or flat out insane." I held back the worst part. The party is driven by hate. Hate for the poor, the educated, the sane.
This is far from over. The anger and frustration in this state is palpable. Spending last weekend in Chicago and talking to people at the bars I found nothing but disbelief and disdain for whats happening up North. The farmers are supposed to be driving their tractors up to Madison this Saturday in protest. I hope they continue with their plan. My plan - start looking for a new house just over the border in Illinois. Peace.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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How many people here have held a Wisconsin state funded job?

I really think ONLY those people should be able to talk.

I'm working one right now...and I can honestly say there is NO rules for employees. If you get about 30 minutes of work out of anyone that works at this University every 4 hours you are doing EXTREMELY well. Why is that? Because you simply, CANNOT get fired. Union bosses run the show...people have not shown up for OVER TWO MONTHS and not been fired, then when they show up again, the Limited Time Employee worker they hired to do the other person's work is fired.

Also, keep in mind state employees are paid out sick time accruals and are not required to use sick time for sick days, they can simply "make the time up". That means many of my co-workers have over 4+ years of salary saved up for when they retire for medical bills. Do factory workers get that?

The fact that my co-workers spend their whole days surfing the web, chatting, leaving early, coming in late and doing nothing, makes me feel like state employees could AT THE BARE MINIMUM chip in a little more for their health benefits.

Not to mention the fact that none of them cared that factory workers, like my dad, that have to pay medical bills from 5 years ago and have to choose which limb to keep because they dont have enough money to pay for both were NOT SUPPORTED in any way by state employees for the last decade. Where were the protests for equal rights then? Now, that the shoe is on the other foot they want to complain.

God forbid we have to pay more for NO DEDUCTIBLE...while private sector factory workers pay similar rates and still have to dump huge chunks of their payroll into medical bills. What a joke.

If you want to protest Wisconsin, protest about the big issues like the gutting of our civil rights on the federal level, not something that lowers your paycheck a marginal percent.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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As well as the MIA senators. They are paid to do a job and are hired by the people. They should be held accountable in the same way a member of our military is. They should be considered AWOL and prosecuted accordingly. Serving the people is not an entitlement and it's not meant to be a "cushy" job with carte Blanche. I believe these senators should do jail time for failing to do their sworn duty, to serve the people.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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You are speaking for public school teachers too? Take your race to the bottom and stuck it up your finish line. You want to fight for the crumbs on the floor while the billionaires laugh at our misery from the dining table. Are you misguided, an imbecile, a plant or all the above? Serious question.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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State workers make too much. Boo Hoo.
My daddy doesn't have as good a job as state workers. Boo hoo.
My health care is worse than the state workers. Boo hoo.
State workers can't get fired. Boo hoo.
Instead of crying about it in public - you place the blame on the state employees. If a state job has all these benefits - get a state job and quit whining. Do you know why your daddy has it worse than state employees? Do you know why you health-care sucks? Do you know why daddy got laid off last year? Must be because of the school teachers. IN NO WAY IS IT BECAUSE WE CAN"T REIGN IN THE LACK OF ETHICAL BEHAVIOR IN CORPORATE AMERICA.
I cry because my children face a sub-par education. I cry because the poor are to become poorer as their children will have no way to break the cycle. I cry because our state government is run by a billionaire family sticking Scott Walker in front of speeding train headed right for the capitol. One term and done to never be heard from again. Well, maybe once a year when he files his taxes and shows he earns millions from one of the Koch's companies. I wonder if our Gov ever had the gall to use the phrase "We are the richest nation in the world"? It seems every politician has uttered these words. Time to retire it. Anyone got any ideas for a new slogan?



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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Originally posted by David9176
What kills me is that people call the unions greedy and are upset at their benefits...but then say absolutely nothing to the billionaires from wall street and the financial industry that sent this country into a tail spin.....then we bailed them out...they are making record profits...they get their extended tax cuts....

So what's next?

Rape what little is left of the middle class...and by god they got the people to support it.

This nation is full of idiots.

At least we are following China's model of no unions....hmm...what's that mean???


It wasn't just greedy wall street types that received bailouts. GM also got taxpayer money after the union drove them into the ground.

GM: "Guys, we really can't afford this unlimited benefits for life, paying you to sit on your ass in a job bank program and remain competitive with other auto makers."

Union: "We don't give a #, as long as we're getting ours."

GM: "Hey Obama, we need a bailout."

We should have let them fail as a company is what we should have done.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:15 AM
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The move was illegal and will be in court. Of course a sitting senator won't do prison time while sitting
come on 2012


This measure will flop, the unions are now on the verge of striking. Its one thing to have a few democrat politicians leave state, its a completely different thing when you have 200k employees strike, from police to teachers straight across the board.

Let passions run high enough to where lynch mobs are created...eventually they will hear the people..destroy the rove drones, and let the power fall to the people verses a mini dictatorship.

70% opposition from the citizens of wisconson..the mini TPTB will fall...sorry doodz



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:20 AM
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Well said!



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Darkrunner

Originally posted by David9176
What kills me is that people call the unions greedy and are upset at their benefits...but then say absolutely nothing to the billionaires from wall street and the financial industry that sent this country into a tail spin.....then we bailed them out...they are making record profits...they get their extended tax cuts....

So what's next?

Rape what little is left of the middle class...and by god they got the people to support it.

This nation is full of idiots.

At least we are following China's model of no unions....hmm...what's that mean???


It wasn't just greedy wall street types that received bailouts. GM also got taxpayer money after the union drove them into the ground.

GM: "Guys, we really can't afford this unlimited benefits for life, paying you to sit on your ass in a job bank program and remain competitive with other auto makers."


Neither should be done, but bailing out the auto industry once is far more forgivable than wall street..GM bounced back and is doing well now, wall street of course also bounced back and is now doing such high criminal activity again that the timebomb is once again ticking and this will all happen again.

The bailout of the auto industry was done because it effected soo many people job directly, and there is also a sense of national pride. Wall street is just the nations rich that we now know, has little to do with the average joe having a job (even if they are being highly successful, the ripple doesn't seem to effect main street).

There is socialism in America...always has been, the question is, when is such measures logical to use, and which is not....logically if it accellerates science, economy, or other key issues of the society, then its forgivable. (remember, roadworks = socialism...yet people love that bit.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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Took a byte out of European style Socialism.
Does anybody see the connection between high cost of American labor and the low cost of Chinese labor and Chinese products at Wal Mart?
edit on 10-3-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:25 AM
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There is only one common factor eident, and that's the CONTEMPT the unionistas have for the taxpayer.
All else is smoke and mirrors.
If they could they'd gut every taxpayer to get at all those precious golden eggs

"look tor the union label as they nail you to their 'bargaining' table."



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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I don't agree with either faction. Wall Street or the Unions.

Don't get me wrong, unions have had their place in history (i.e. child labor, people being slaves to a certain company) but nowadays, the leadership of the unions is getting close to being just as bad as the wall street types....



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