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Wis. GOP bypasses Dems, cuts collective bargaining

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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Time after time I read the same ignorant, misinformed idiots claim that the "rights" of the American worker have been violated by Gov. walker and the Republican Party. GET IT RIGHT....belonging to a labor union IS NOT A RIGHT...collective bargaining IS NOT A RIGHT. Why is it NOT A RIGHT for someone who needs a job to not join a union (closed shop rules)?
This is the start of the end of unions in Wisconsin and the GREAT U.S.of A.
We should keep our jobs because of our individual work ethic and merit...NOT because a bunch of union idiots try and force a company out of business by striking in favor of the weakest member of the "old style" union style.
his is the step that will make America competitive again in the World Market.




posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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So long as they recognize our sovereignty and leave us alone, sure, why not?

On my particular block, the US is the bully who needs restraint and to be forced to keep its word by treaty.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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So what gives you the idea there is a right to operate a business any old way you please?

Being in business is a privilege accorded by licensing, with the stipulation to follow the health, wage, and safety laws.

Business people hate government because it forces them to respect the rights and needs of others and curbs their selfish impulse to cut corners that endanger their employees and society.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Where in the Constitution does it say governments can dictate how businesses are ran?

Please post the pertinent clause.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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I work for a small business...I talk with the owner daily. He's a good guy and has honestly tried to help out his workers the best he can with what he has to work with in a tough economy. I support small businesses. What i do NOT support is international corporations who sold out American workers....especially through the inception of free trade and other agreements. An American making minimum wage still cannot compete with slave labor without TARIFFS....which brings me back to what I originally stated. You can lower taxes to zero across the board and we still cannot compete with slave labor.

Learn to separate the two. Small businesses need to quit siding with the large corporations.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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So you are really for One World Govt as long as they recognize your sovereignty? That's a very interesting concept. What makes you think the UN is going to make good on their side of the bargain? Does the name Club of Rome ring a bell?



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Originally posted by MindSpin
Well...the dictator finally got his way.


Bad news for residents of Wisconsin.



The best news EVER for Democrats concerning the 2012 elections.

Are you out of your mind? The public unions had the right to bargain with taxpayer money without giving the taxpayer a seat at the table and you think it's BAD for the residents? This is the best news for the residents of Wisconsin in ages. It saves the hard-working taxpayer hundreds of millions of dollars that previously amounted to theft - public sector collective bargaining is the very definition of taxation without representation.

This is cemented by the fact that the public overwhelmingly SUPPORTED THE GOVERNOR. This is the worst news for Democrats as the Republicans actually kept their campaign promise - you know, the reason why they were elected in the first place.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Where in the Constitution does it say governments can dictate how businesses are ran?


Is there anything in the Constitution prohibiting child labor?
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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Do not blame the business for doing whats best for business with the environment presented to them.

Place the blame where it rightly belongs: On government and on unions.

If a company pays $5 to make XYZ (factoring in labor, taxes, materials, etc etc) and can have that same product made in another nation for $1, the smart business decision is to move production to that other nation.

People go into business to make a profit. Corporations have an obligation to return a portion of that profit to its investors. It is not a difficult concept to understand.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:00 PM
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I agree that these giant multi-national corporations do not have US Sovereignty in mind and bully the little guy out of business. All too often the money is in tsx shelters and off-shore banks, untouched even by attempts at taxing the rich. The Progressive income tax is a Marxist strategy anyway and a stated plank of the Communist manifesto.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:02 PM
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I wonder what will happen when Wisconsin and other states continue to suffer budgetary issues following these cuts to the middleclass? Whats next? We going to remove minimum wage outright? How about giving employers every right to fire somebody when they want for whatever reason? Yep, I can see the future, and it's just more cuts to the middle class.

The consequences will come out soon.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by David9176
What kills me is that people call the unions greedy and are upset at their benefits...but then say absolutely nothing to the billionaires from wall street and the financial industry that sent this country into a tail spin.....then we bailed them out...they are making record profits...they get their extended tax cuts....

So what's next?

Rape what little is left of the middle class...and by god they got the people to support it.

This nation is full of idiots.

At least we are following China's model of no unions....hmm...what's that mean???

Probably because "billionaires on Wall Street" actually contribute to society and pay billions into the tax system. Public sector unions, on the other hand, are some of the largest leeches on society.

You'll be hard-pressed to find a billionaire on Wall Street that didn't break their back to get to their position. Many come from very humble beginnings. You'll also be hard-pressed to find someone in a public sector union that didn't take the job to collect a pension, have every conceivable holiday off and accumulate 4 weeks paid vacation a year.

I argue that the average public sector union worker is greedier than the average Wall Street billionaire. At least the billionaires earn their money and contribute to the tax base.

Besides, you should know that the majority of the bailout money went to two places:
1.) It was funneled into public sector unions to keep their jobs while the taxpayer was laid off.
2.) Obama had to return the favor to those that financed his campaign.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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Corporations have an obligation to return a portion of that profit to its investors. It is not a difficult concept to understand.


And when corporations control the government, as they do now, they will manipulate it to extend and increase those profits no matter the consequences. It's made much easier when you control all the media as well. It's not a difficult concept to understand.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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Yet election after election, the American sheep keep voting corrupt politicians in.

Who is truly at fault?

The American people are, and I will rejoice when they finally begin to suffer the consequences of electing criminals.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:11 PM
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Coming from someone who's mother works as a nurse for the state, this is a huge deal for me. Not having her bargaining rights means that her wages will probably be cut even further, so there we will be screwed in the long run. Without the unions there won't be as many construction workers and such, which will affect my dad who works for a private business that works primarily on state construction vehicles. If they aren't getting any business due to the cuts in construction due to the lack of unions, then I can safely bet that my father will be out of a job. This is awful news for me, as it may jeopardize my being able to continue attending college because my parents have been trying to help me pay for it.

So the way I see it, Walker and the Wisconsin GOP have completely screwed over my family financially.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by HaveAnotherOne
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Yet election after election, the American sheep keep voting corrupt politicians in.

Who is truly at fault?

The American people are, and I will rejoice when they finally begin to suffer the consequences of electing criminals.


So you are basically saying there is nothing we can do?

Bow down to the fascism



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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If these steps don't work and you want to go back to the way it was, vote them out in 2012/14 and elect some folks that will reinstate it.

That is how our process works. If you don't like the process you will need to move to a socialist nation, or lobby the legislature, petition, etc to change the process through constitutional amendments.

This is the great thing about our country, the people do have recourse built into the system, although they are not instant.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:14 PM
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The part we should anticipate is what the proponents of all these policies will do to deal with the outrage and civil decay?

They will sure need lots of police



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Short of a violent revolution?

IMO, no.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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What fascism? They followed the Constitution. It isn't like Obamacare, which is unconstitutional - THAT is true fascism. The only thing done that was illegal was the Democrats fleeing the vote like scared kittens.



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