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Oh Muslims, how much longer?

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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 05:54 PM
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What the Muslims need right now is a charismatic leader not a illuminati controlled one but a free thinking one.

He needs to bring order and solditary like Lech Volanski in Poland ...

Egypt needs to support Libya
Tunisa needs to support Libya

Egypt... Tunisa ... Libya need to support the Saudi and Iraqi people ...

And finally the oppressed people of Gaza


Then with a Middle East free of Western control we may finally have peace and just trade




posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I also have Muslim friends. And they are as you and me.
I don't know if you have seen the video and what you know about the sharia threat.


Sharia Law is Islamic Law. It is what sets Islam aside from all other major religions in the world, because it is not just a religion, but a strict form of government with inflexible ideologies. It is practiced to a greater or lesser degree, by all Muslims everywhere, instilled as part of the national system of laws in countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and so forth. Muslim extremists throughout the world, including millions in Europe and America, have sworn to establish Sharia law as the law of the land, not to be compromised by any existing constitution. It is the guiding light of the Muslim Brotherhood who, by their own pen, have declared the United States as the target of ultimate destruction… from within.


Please read this article about it and afterwards this one.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:02 PM
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I seen this thread and I just could not help but put this video up to get peoples feedback on it.



This is a very informative video which is worthy of viewing.



In my personal opinion there are far too many Arab immigrants in the West, Europe in particular. Rotterdam, Netherlands is 47% immigrant and growing by the day. Arab women outbreed Caucasian women and soon the number of Arabs will be doubling each generation. How long will this be tolerated in the West until people finally decide it has gotten out of hand?

I am not anti-Arab or anti-Muslim but I believe this hatred is being perpetrated upon Westerners viciously. Like the cultural Marxists do not understand that if you bring in so many immigrants so rapidly without any end in sight who do not share any common culture or values with the natives that it will not result in a massive uprising of nationalists and cultural preservationists who will then be labeled “racist-xenophobs”. The fact is that this immigration will result in one of two endings; 1. The Europeans will be overtaken in number by Muslims within the next 40 years and mass emigration of whites will ensue, or 2. There will be reactions to this immigration which will not be exactly Politically Correct, deportations, civil war, racial wars, etc…

All of this can be halted and reversed but what are the chances that the cultural Marxists will wake up before it is too late? The left is already aligning themselves with Sharia Islamists while the Nationalist and anti-immigrant parties grow faster than ever before. For the first time in over 6 decades the Left parties of Finland are set to receive less than 40% of the popular vote, 34% to be exact while the right-wing nationalist True Finns are set to take at least 17% of the votes up from 4% in 2007 elections. In France the nationalist, immigrant deportation, and protectionist Front National in a new poll is leading for President of France in 2012 elections.

German top minister has said Islam does not belong in Germany. Chancellor Merkel, President Sarkozy, and Prime Minister Cameron, have all declared multiculturalism has failed. The right-wing anti-immigrant nationalist parties of JOBBIK, Sweden Democrats, and Part for Freedom have all shot up in the election results. Neo-fascist groups are surging across Italy, Lega Nord is gaining significant ground, Swiss People’s Party is at an all time high and won the referendum on banning Minarets in Switzerland, Freedom Part of Austria is surging in the polls, I mean just look around at what is happening it is not a coincidence.

People from Hungary and Italy to Britain and Finland are growing tired of the limitless immigration, failed multiculturalism, growing Islamism, Arab ghettos, and the growing power of the EU over their own nation. True Finns are running on a campaign of refusing to accept a new Finnish constitution declaring Finland as a nation within the European Union. What will it take for the left and the governments to finally wake up and end this before tensions explode and Fascists begin marching and/or mass attacks against minorities occur?
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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awe, where's my girl Nancy Ajram hahaha



or this one, the style is the same as in the more or less it as in the states and reminds of a Katy Perry type of thing.




As to the o.p. I think to associate the current uprisings with a reestablishment of the calphate is an overstatement by some of the theocracies (ahem Iran) or religious zealots hoping their time has come. I do not see or hear from the vast amount of protesters that they desire anything more than a western style of democracy and if anything a limitation to the religious powers the government can enforce.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:07 PM
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People on ats have shown evidence that the muslim brotherhood has been infiltrated by western intelligence services..

Like I said before organized religion was set up and is controlled by the elite ...



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by Doomzilla
reply to post by DutchBigBoy
 


People on ats have shown evidence that the muslim brotherhood has been infiltrated by western intelligence services..

Like I said before organized religion was set up and is controlled by the elite ...


Any idea what thread that was on? Just for me looking at the statement, I see how it could make sense. I have never heard of this "Muslim Brotherhood" prior to the protests in Egypt as the new super scary boogey man, and now "they" are everywhere they sure did explode on the scene with a quickness.

Fox seems to have all but stopped scaring me with al queda and now the new buzz group that hates me is the Muslim Brotherhood and they are going to take over the m.e. governments. Pretty impressive especially for a group that had very limited, at best, ability to gather and plan in Egypt.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Yeah. Minor doctrinal differences. If your priests didn't all wear funny clothes (Each funnier than the last, I might ad) I would be utterly unable to tell the difference between any of you bronze-age penis-mutilators. Like for instance, what's the huge difference between Roman Catholicism and Anglicanism that led to a centuries-old ideological rift in Ireland? I don't know. You don't know. And I guarandamntee you that the Irish don't know, either! Same thing in Islam, what's the difference between Shia and Sunni? Not a damn thing. From my perspective they might as well be Mormons. Hell, the only difference between all of Islam and all of Judaism is one makes good chicken soup.

So what it boils down to is that some dude demanded that we put to death well over a billion human beings because they have one prophet over his.

That strikes me as being pretty damn nuts.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:38 PM
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I'm sorry I dont remember but if you google you should be able to find the source the guy posted , I'l try now for you ...........

Here we go
Found something for you .

As Peter Goodgame has exhaustively documented, the Muslim Brotherhood is a prized secret weapon of the globalists.

Both the CIA and British intelligence penetrated the group and used it to fight against Arab nationalism, in particular early on nationalism promoted by Egypt’s Nasser

.“The CIA was following the example of British Intelligence and sought to use Islam to further its goals,” writes Goodgame

www.infowars.com...





Hope this helps and yes I'm more scared of my government than the mighty al quaeda .

The elite are the real enemy .


Nothing is real everything is permitted .



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Thank you! We need more of that -- media that points out more of our similarities, rather than constantly enumerating our differences.
Very enjoyable. Thanks again.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by Misoir
I seen this thread and I just could not help but put this video up to get peoples feedback on it.



This is a very informative video which is worthy of viewing.



In my personal opinion there are far too many Arab immigrants in the West, Europe in particular. Rotterdam, Netherlands is 47% immigrant and growing by the day. Arab women outbreed Caucasian women and soon the number of Arabs will be doubling each generation. How long will this be tolerated in the West until people finally decide it has gotten out of hand?

I am not anti-Arab or anti-Muslim


Wait wait, stop. You want to run that by me again? I don't think I read you right.

That stuff... and the stuff after which I'm excising for space... and you're not anti-Arab, or anti-Muslim. You think that there are too many of them, and that Arab women "outbreed" white women (what, do they have a 5 month gestation?) but you're not anti-Arab.

Well, if you say so. I'm sure what you qualify as being actually anti-Arab must be pretty damned scary by comparison.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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lol, 5 month gestation that's great.


I would be sooooooo jealous if that were true, 10 months is a bit long for us with non Arab dna
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If some members cared to look "breeding" rates really aren't drastically different when looking by socioeconomic criteria. Actually, Islam does not prohibit the use of birth control, like many Christian sects. But as with other groups, globally, poorer people have more children than the rich folk. So really, by keeping certain parts of the m.e. economically repressed we are assisting in higher birth rates.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 07:17 PM
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Awesome.

Yes, Nasser really was a threat with his, what was it called "Pan Arabism" it was the closest thing in modern times to reestablishing the dreaded calphate. I do consider myself to be a religious person, but there really is no great way to control people than through religion. Many many people, across the faiths are very concerned with "doing right" by God and getting into paradise (in whatever form one believes it comes in) that a spiritual leader really can possess a real ability to convince people that their interpretation was wrong and really the right thing to do is x, y, or z. If a leader is corrupt or has less than pure motivation it really can be a recipe for disaster.

Just a little example that many will be familiar with, the t.v. televangelist. How many times have they been caught using God and faithful followers to live the high life. Now, these people typically only use their evil powers for personal monetary gain, but they don't have to. Currently, they seem pretty effective at demonizing and dehumanizing Muslims.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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Hello,
I know this video seems out of place, but go with me for a second. Fast forward to 3:30 and watch to 5:40. Buford describes how he can see the failed federal attack before it even happens. He is gripped by emotion knowing he is gonna watch as events unfold to dire ends. This is how I feel about this situation.


It is like I can already hear Glen Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, and others calling for anger against the Muslim world. If more countries succeed in forming new governments after rebelling against Western propped up dictators what will happen? Most likely US controlled media will portray these revolutions as completely driven by a desire to create an Islamic world. American's will begin to feel they are threatened, and will support large scale wars.

Some people in the Middle East do desire an Islamic world. This long history is clear from the OP. I am arguing the majority of recent Islamic outrage is from decades of repression from foreign military and economic power. This anger often wears the garment of the Islamic faith, but without the underlying political and economic issues would not exist. As the revolutions against Western dominated economic and political systems grows so the movement will be moved into a more religious direction. Both in the West and the Muslim world radicals will guide the dialogues. As a result a clash of civilizations will occur.

The clash of civilizations has been discussed for a century at least.(Huntington: Clash of Civilizations)

In recent years since 2001 it has increasingly come to prominence again. The War on Terror is often portrayed as a clash of civilizations.


The War on Terror and the Clash of civilization.
Thus, ‘clash of civilizations’ rhetoric is intertwined with the very language of the
‘war on terror’. Rumsfeld – a leading advocate of US involvement in the ‘war on
terror’ – believed that there were just a small handful of (well-off, Western)
nations that could be trusted not to covet the commodities and “lives” of others.

In his speech to Congress on 19 September, 2001, for example, Bush outlined his
vision for the ‘war on terror’ stating, “[t]his is civilization’s fight.”18 Whilst the
US government may have seemingly sought to avoid the notion of a clash
between ‘Islam’ and ‘the West’, the rhetoric of ‘civilizations’ still crept into its
dialogue.

This struggle has been called a clash of civilizations. In truth, it is a struggle for civilization.
George W. Bush 2006 State of the Union


The concept of clashing civilizations, then, is deeply ingrained in the thought
structures of Western diplomats, scholars, intelligence analysts, officials and
Presidents. Such language points to a dangerous state of affairs; it removes from
the equation the possibility that Islamic militancy may have its own political and
strategic aims beyond a desire to destroy our more modern, superior ‘Western
civilization,’ and implies the need for all-out warfare to combat this threat. But
this rhetoric cuts both ways. The implication that civilizations are at war also
plays into the hands of the al-Qaeda leadership, providing an ‘us versus them’
discourse which serves to boost recruitment and commitment to the cause.


What does this mean? We are heading toward a conflict on a global scale. It seems that the stage is set, and I am watching the actors get into place in slow motion. The emotion in the video is why I began with it. I am watching the pieces placed for a giant clash that in my opinion is avoidable.

I do not believe it to be a natural progression. I cannot prove this, and it is difficult to speculate on. The global catastrophes necessary for a one world government must be tremendous. People will have to suffer on a scale where we demand an institution to ensure it never happens again. I have heard many people discuss that the NWO will create a war with the Islamic World. Forces in both sides will foster the environment for it to happen. I think if the US limited the economic colonization, and the Muslim world gave the people more voice the Islamic revolution would fall from favor. The only thing that unites the disparate Muslims in an attempt to create a world Caliphate is the injustices persecuted against them. If you remove economic and political tyranny it would remove the backbone of anger necessary to fuel an Islamic caliphate.


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posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 01:36 AM
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Hey Dutch!

Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
Many analysts today are expressing well-justified fears that the House of Saud will fall into the hands of Islamist revolutionaries resulting in a massive stab to the Achilles' heal of the Western economy. Although this scenario will eventually take place, it is yet several years away. While the collapse of the Saudi regime and the $10-per-gallon gasoline that would result is a surely fearful prospect, for now, the much more immediate danger is Yeni Osmanli: the New Ottomans and the catastrophic impact this will have on the region, on the United States and the entire globe.

I hope they do, but I seriously doubt it. Anyhow, seems odd to say this when the House of Saud itself backs many groups which would most definitely be described as "Islamist Revolutionaries" (but in a bad way). But then we get this talk of oil, which again comes to the root problem of outside interference- while the US may profess a love of freedom, Saudi Arabia was okay, because they were buddies. Egypt was okay, because they were buddies. Libya? No one likes the Libyan leadership, lets go after them!
While there may be a professed love of freedom, in some cases, I suppose they think stable villains under their thumbs are more appropriate than free people who have their own ideas and plans.

You touch on some other issues I'd like to address, mostly about Shariah, but there are lots of people going on with misconceptions about Shariah, so maybe I'll create a separate thread about that (hmm....ME Forums, or Conspiracies in Religion?).
However, Robertauthor mentioned something I'd like to talk about...he mentioned the "need for a charismatic Islamic leader".
Personally, this is something I think that is a completely wrong and incorrect approach. A lot of people don't remember (or realise) that the Caliphate as it was that was brought down by Ataturk at the beginning of the 20th century was a worthless, tired and (here's the funny bit
completely unislamic! It was a despotic, dynastic excuse for old king's to get their way.

reply to post by Misoir
 

Hey Misoir!

I'm not sure where you got your statistics from, but you might want to recheck them. While it is true that Rotterdam has a large immigrant population, the percentage of muslims and/or arabs is very small (8-9%) There is no significant arab population in Rotterdam (or even Netherlands as a whole). The closest you can get is about 3% of the population of Rotterdam is arab, the majority of which are Moroccans.

As for that popular "Muslim Demographics" video (I haven't been able to check the other one yet), it has been totally debunked.
Here is a debunking done by BBC.


Oh, and to the bigot who posted the "Kill the infidel wherever you find them" quote, I think he missed that the quote doesn't mention anything about "infidels" at all. And if he had posted the line that came JUST BEFORE the line he quoted, he'd have seen it said (and I'm paraphrasing here, but to be fair, so was he) "Fight those who fight you, but do not be the beginner of hostilities, God doesn't like aggressors. And kill them wherever you find them...but if they stop, you stop".
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posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:19 AM
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Under Sharia law a girl like Nancy Arjam will be sentenced to death for exposed hair and her sexy appearance and clothing. So don't make it pretty when it will be very grimm.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:28 AM
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Thanks for your input, it is really almost as clear as Buford describes. While many say it will because of the population growth in Europe I say it will be conquered by force within 2 years.



posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 02:31 AM
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Thanks for the correction, I just seen somewhere it said 47% immigrants not necessarily Arabs. Plus about that video I had no idea it was debunked, thanks for the info.




posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 03:18 AM
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Someone's been watching a bit too much lunatic Beck




The funniest comment was that the goal of the revolutions is a fast track to Sharia law...when in reality, most of those countries already use Sharia law, because they are MUSLIM countries


FYI, I spent almost a month in a village 50km from Makkah during Ramadan...I put "atheist" on my immigration slip, told the people at the hotel during dinner I am an atheist, told my client I'm an atheist, and as far as I could tell was the only non-Muslim white guy there the entire time. For crying out loud, I was 50km from the holiest of their places, together with thousands of pilgrims, and I'm still alive. I wonder why that is...could it be that the majority of Muslims just doesn't care about what I believe, and that they're not blood thirsty infidel-killing terrorists trying to bring Sharia law to the US? Impossible...right?


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posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 03:27 AM
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Can you find and show me where it says this?

Or have you just found this on a random website written by an anti-islamic bigot?

If you would care to research your outlandish claims you would realise that the term infidel (meaning non faithful) is actually a christian word generally used to tar people of other religions, mainly muslim...

And if you say 9:5 (which i'm fully expecting as this is commonly misquoted) try reading the context first.
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posted on Mar, 11 2011 @ 03:27 AM
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Originally posted by DutchBigBoy
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Under Sharia law a girl like Nancy Arjam will be sentenced to death for exposed hair and her sexy appearance and clothing. So don't make it pretty when it will be very grimm.


Luckily Western law prevents Sharia law to ever stand above Western law...so there is no way it will ever stand above Western law. Nothing but fear mongering and a lack of education when it comes to law...



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