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Obama Suing Arizona for Enforcing a Federal Law? WOW!!

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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:18 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Arizona's law that allows the State to act like that they are US Customs and Border Patrol.


No, I know what Arizona's law is. I keep reading that they are just enforcing a federal law already on the books and I am just curious which federal law this Arizona law is supposed to be an exact copy of.




posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:22 AM
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Once again the loser in the WH shows he has no clue......
And shows what's more important to him, votes and nothing else.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:32 AM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Arizona's law that allows the State to act like that they are US Customs and Border Patrol.


No, I know what Arizona's law is. I keep reading that they are just enforcing a federal law already on the books and I am just curious which federal law this Arizona law is supposed to be an exact copy of.


Regardless of how the law reads the law is the law and the law is that only Federal can enforce Federal law.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 06:42 AM
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And yet they don't.......
The state has the right to defend itself, and anyone thinking this is anything other than grandstanding by the left to garner votes is delusional.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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Originally posted by Angelicdefender2012

Apparently Obama is taking the side of drug cartels instead the side of the law!!! What a disgrace!



www.youtube.com...

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edit on 9-3-2011 by Angelicdefender2012 because: (no reason given)



So, I guess we know now the agreement obama made with mexico's president on their meeting they had a little while back. Is this more of his "hope & change"? What other little agreements did he make?



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by adifferentbreed
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


And yet they don't.......
The state has the right to defend itself, and anyone thinking this is anything other than grandstanding by the left to garner votes is delusional.


If the State feels threatened it cannot act on its own and must contact DC, anything beyond that is overstepping.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:08 PM
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If the State feels threatened it cannot act on its own and must contact DC, anything beyond that is overstepping.


The only overstepping going on is the illegal immigrants overstepping the border.....

If the Fed refuses to act on it's own laws then it's up to the states to tell them where to shove it and start defending their own borders..



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:11 PM
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No it is not and the 10th does not mean jcak squat here as border patrol is FEDERAL JURISDICTION AND IS NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE STATES, GOT IT?

Stop trying to circumvent and twist this to suit the draconian Neo Nazi Bagger Conservative Agenda and get real.

Only morons and stupid people give others who are posting blatant lies and mistruths get stars while me who is 1000% factual gets none. More sheep!

The Federal Govt has been trying to act but everytime they do the GOP and The Baggers complain bitterly about everything stopping progress cold.

The only reason why Arizona or any border state wants this power so that they can continually exploit them for cheap and dirt free labour because if Border Patrol or INS or ICE gets to them first they will be on the next plane out after being deported.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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No it is not and the 10th does not mean jcak squat here as border patrol is FEDERAL JURISDICTION AND IS NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE STATES, GOT IT?
Stop trying to circumvent and twist this to suit the draconian Neo Nazi Bagger Conservative Agenda and get real.
Only morons and stupid people give others who are posting blatant lies and mistruths get stars while me who is 1000% factual gets none. More sheep!
The Federal Govt has been trying to act but everytime they do the GOP and The Baggers complain bitterly about everything stopping progress cold.
edit on 10-3-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


Hmm mistruths huh ?

A couple of quick questions then..

1)Does the Fed have a law making it illegal to cross the border without papers ?
2)Is it the Fed's responsibility to guard the borders and stop this happening ?
3)Did the Fed cut the budget for border security ?
4)Is the Fed stopping illegal immigration ?

5)Does Obama need more votes from Latinos ?



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by backinblack

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by backinblack
 

No it is not and the 10th does not mean jcak squat here as border patrol is FEDERAL JURISDICTION AND IS NOT UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE STATES, GOT IT?
Stop trying to circumvent and twist this to suit the draconian Neo Nazi Bagger Conservative Agenda and get real.
Only morons and stupid people give others who are posting blatant lies and mistruths get stars while me who is 1000% factual gets none. More sheep!
The Federal Govt has been trying to act but everytime they do the GOP and The Baggers complain bitterly about everything stopping progress cold.
edit on 10-3-2011 by TheImmaculateD1 because: (no reason given)


Hmm mistruths huh ?

A couple of quick questions then..

1)Does the Fed have a law making it illegal to cross the border without papers ? - Yes, no papers from INS and you are on the next plane out.
2)Is it the Fed's responsibility to guard the borders and stop this happening ? - Yes, this is their juridsiction.
3)Did the Fed cut the budget for border security ? - The GOP cut the money for border matters because so that it's multi Trillion dollar lobbying firms could exploit them for dirt cheap labour all while avoiding paying income taxes on all money,
4)Is the Fed stopping illegal immigration ? - Yes, but with the State in the way this hinders Border, INS and ICE from sucessfully completing the task before them.

5)Does Obama need more votes from Latinos ? - This has nothing to do with tha Latino voting bloc an attempot at diversion caught.


Answered in quote and you are not to try and debunk me anymore as I've got your number. It is not The GOP's way or the highway, besides this stance of States should take over matters of the GOP does not concern you as it has nothing to do with what is going on currently in your own life so leave this up to the smart people to deal with this.

You are touting and issuing me the GOP Mantra which means you clearly are uncapable of formulating and concieving of an original thought of your own as everything you have replied to me comes direct from The GOP Daly talking Points and are not your ideas.

Go away as you are apart of the problemwhile issuing no ideas for solutions to our current mess. Either help or get out of the way please.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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WOW where do you get your facts?

The federal government has done NOTHING to beef up border security, other than prosecute border patrol agents trying to defend themselves, or putting more security down there with BEAN BAG shot to fight off cartels who carry an assortment of automatic weapons, and who are partly funded armed by bought off Mexican Army officials..

I can tell you right now of atleast 10 border patrol agents that i know personally that will tell you the federal gov has done JACK to supply them with the tools and the authorization needed to stop this gaping hole that is our border system....

Now i will admit that the past presidents havent done a damn thing about it either, and that needs to change.....

But to sit here and blame conservatives for it, when its OBVIOUS through the lawsuits and demonstrations from the left wing nutjobs out there the day this bill came out, is insane.....

Yes the federal gov has done SO MUCH, like that wall that was FULLY FUNDED that never got built?

Like the calls that weve been making to put national guard in numbers on the border? Give me a break, what was it , this year they put a handful down there just to say they did something? Give me a break man....

Ive lived on the border in Texas and i still have friends down there, its more horrible than you can imagine. I dare not even travel back to my old stomping grounds around Laredo or Del Rio.....

So dont sit here and tell me the federal government has done anything other than cover their own asses and pander to the minorities so they can keep those votes flowing in......



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:32 PM
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Remember the Border Fence started under 43 that Obama cancelled because we are not Germany who feels the need to wall ourselves off from the rest of the world.

Racism at its finest is on total display, my, my!

Hook, line, sinker, SUNK!

TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT, TROLL ALERT!

Meant and only posted to identify troublemakers and those who look for a fight becuase they cannot get their way.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Regardless of how the law reads the law is the law and the law is that only Federal can enforce Federal law.


I am afraid you are completely missing what it is I am asking. It even appears you may be looking for an argument that is not here. Maybe not?

For the people that claim Arizona is just trying to enforce an already existing federal law, I would like to know which federal law that is.

I am sorry if this question is not making sense.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Remember the Border Fence started under 43 that Obama cancelled because we are not Germany who feels the need to wall ourselves off from the rest of the world. Racism at its finest is on total display, my, my!


Aww cute, theres that racism word again...........

And who said anything about 43 or Obama? you said federal gov? that includes both of them........quit trying to pick fights.......the only troll i see here is you.....

A border fence has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with securing borders from drug cartels and ILLEGAL ACTIVITY.......

If you cant comprehend that, then it seems this conversation might be over your head...........

I did wonder how long it would take till the race card was played tho.......well done



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:49 PM
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Originally posted by Sinnthia

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Regardless of how the law reads the law is the law and the law is that only Federal can enforce Federal law.


I am afraid you are completely missing what it is I am asking. It even appears you may be looking for an argument that is not here. Maybe not?

For the people that claim Arizona is just trying to enforce an already existing federal law, I would like to know which federal law that is.

I am sorry if this question is not making sense.


The law in question is the one that allows US Customs & Border Patrol to police and troll the Souther border looking for infractors. This is in place so that the 4 Southern borders states that are : Caliornia, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas won't clog up the courts with nonsense and crud. This is also in play so that all 4 sounthern states aren't battling one another or the Federal Govt for something called "jurisdictional prudence" over that region and decrees all matters pertaining to the security of the southern border under the direct and exclusive jurisdiction of the following agencies :

US Dept Of Homeland Security, Immigration & Naturalization Service, Immigrations & Customs Enforcement, US Customs & Border Patrol all of which more then have the manpower, resources and funding to carryout all operations it is charged with.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1


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The point I am making is not to deny a State the right to pass a law as all State have a sovereign right to do but to deny a State from enforcing Federal law as if it were it's own.

Immigration and National Security is Federal territory which means the States must stay away. This matter was Arizona law that illegally gave the State Border and Customs level authourity.

IE, New Jersey cannot touch nor enforce Federal law.



DeCanas v. Bica 1976

The Supreme Court upheld a California law prohibiting businesses from knowingly employing unauthorized aliens. The Court held that states can regulate illegal immigrants in a manner consistent with federal law, provided they are trying to protect a vital state interest.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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I'm brown, I live in Tejas and whenever I get pulled over I always have to show my plastic.
You don't see me griping.

He is becoming a joke more and more each day.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:53 PM
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You are looking at what Arizona did as legal for which it is clearly not. You are the misinformed one. Try reading what I type like 4 times and let it sink in before hitting the reply button and you may actually learn something.

I am a top 25%'er when it comes to iq which makes what I say completely factual and to try and use the party rhetoric to try and dispute or debunk me make no mistake and have zero illusion that you will lose as you are clearly losing here.

Go away!



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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Well if what you claim is true, then I guess you are one of those high IQ people that lack critical thinking skills. Do you honestly think that having a high IQ makes anything you say gospel and truth? I seriously hope not....



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 11:02 PM
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This means nothing nowadays as remember when Walmart was caught employing illegals?

www.foxnews.com...

money.cnn.com...

www.reclaimdemocracy.org...

Guess who fined them? The Federal Govt and not the states completely blowing your lie right out of the water!




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