reply to post by mrjones7885
I think that you really think you made a good attempt at a poignant statement here. Unfortunately, your arguments tend to fall flat on their face. Not
because you use extensively harsh, and antagonistic language, but because your thoughts here are really only half-formed assumptions. Assumptions
which are based on equally half-formed pseudo-spiritual beliefs. For instance:
Look around, you see cop cars, you see schools, and then you see birds.
I really get what you're trying to do here, comparing natural, free animals, with society as a whole. Unfortunately, your phraseology is incorrect.
For one, a "cop car" is not a sentient, self-motivated being. It is a created vessel requiring an occupant to lead its actions. Second, a school is
an institution. Again, not an individualized being capable of making its own judgments. So, yes, a bird may be free—to the extent of which its wings
may carry it—but that does not make having institutions and automated living somehow into incarceration. By your logic, homeschooling, and owning a
bike are all you need to be free like the birds.
Obviously, that is not the truth. So, next you say:
Waking up to the issues in the world is one thing, but saying that we need to change the rules of the people ruling over us isn't going to
This is incorrect on many, many levels. I am going to make an assumption, which is: that you are living in either America, or some other democratic
nation. And yes, in America changing the ruling powers (President, cabinet, Congress, Senate) seldom brings about change. However, that is the nature
of the system we have instilled. Democracy is, by nature, bipartisan. As long as you have a predominantly two-party system (Republican and Democrat)
you will always have an inability to move forward because both systems are at odds about what "forward" consists of.
However, take these two examples into account: the overthrow and death of Sadam Hussein, and the stepping down of Hosni Mubarak from Egypt's
presidency. These two acts—of changing the rules of the ruling class—are going to do exactly what you said wouldn't happen: they are going to
solve many problems, and give the people the opportunity to embrace several more as-of-yet-unsolved problems.
Change can be beneficial, when it is paved with good intentions.
If you cannot do so and simply desire to leave your baggage on someone else, perhaps you are not worthy of the greatest gift of all which is
life, existance, and love.
This is wrong on many, many levels. You obviously do not meet many people who suffer psychological and mental neuroses. Nor, I am thinking, do you
live with clinically depressed, or bi-polar people. The human species is riddled with "baggage" because we are inherently faulty creatures. If you
can find one person who has no baggage at all—and I mean not a single regret, complaint, or fault about themselves—you will have found a dead
By the same process, you list "life", "existance" (sic
), and "love" as the greatest gifts of all. Please explain to me how living, and
existing, are different. I consider any existent thing to be a part of life. Perhaps you meant "sentience" or "thinking", because I could
understand that. Love, however, I do not see as a great gift. Love... love incites murder, causes jealousy, begins wars, breaks hearts, leads to
suicide, destabilizes the brain, distracts the thoughts, blinds the reasoning, and occasionally causes happy little butterflies. Love is wonderful
when you find an altruistic version of it, but when you don't... it is hardly the greatest gift of living.
recognize the you are a self-centered, ego-centric, materialistic, miserable negative person that's never gonna be happy.
And the pot calls the kettle black.
You are subject to your own karma (choices, actions, thoughts) along with everyone else.
This. This is something I see happen very frequently on a site like ATS. The watered-down Western view of Karma. Karma is not about the here and now.
Your current actions do not create your future actions. The doctrine of Karma, as taught in Hinduism, and Buddhism is that this entire life is
already pre-planned because of your Karmic actions in a past life
. The Doctrine of Karma is a warning, telling you to be good in this life, even
if things go bad, so in your next life you may be reborn closer to the godhead. "I stole some money, so my car get's vandalized" is not an example
of pure Karma. This is something Westerners have invented, which I call "Instant Karma". Again, it just reflects the cultural differences.
Westerners live fast-paced lives where everything must happen rapidly. Hindus and Buddhists learn to center themselves and quiet their minds, so they
understand the patience behind Karmic Doctrine.
Does Karma make a little more sense to you now?
At the end of this, you bring into play addictions. Addictions to life, to pleasurable things, to feeling good, and the attachment you have to living.
You call this a bad thing. You insinuate that death, and letting-go, are the two essential steps to enlightenment and waking up. Do you not see how
this flies in the face of everything you have just spent your post discussing?
Let go of pleasurable things, because in life to be free you have to be happy.
Let go of attachments you have, because in life loving someone is a great gift.
Let go of life and kill yourself, because life, and existence are just the Greatest Gifts you've been given.
Please do a little more soul-searching. You might find some real answers... but nothing in this post is enlightened, or a great new discovery. Please
~ Wandering Scribe