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Comet Elenin PIC/DATA!

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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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Originally posted by pishu
doesn't it seem a little odd to anyone that the data on JPL has not been updated for at least 5 days and that there is nothing said about the mass of this object?

ssd.jpl.nasa.gov.../2010%20X1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb


They need to get data from a number of additional observations in order to update the data. Before the March 3rd update, the previous update was made on February 23rd. So I'd expect it to update every 8 to 10 days.




posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 08:44 AM
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Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by loagun
Ahhh it appears you are right. I knew it was discovered by an amateur astrologer outside of NASA, however I was under the impression that NASA quickly stepped in picked up the story, and has been doing the PR about it ever since(it still looks that was if you care to check out NASA's web page).
The correct term is astronomer, not astrologer. And I don't think NASA has had much to say about Elenin.



Oh wow, thank you for correcting my 5 AM mistake where I accidently wrote astrologer instead of astronomer, and what nice tone you write it in too. In an equally level tone; No, you are wrong. NASA has cited a number of pages to 'Comet Elenin' on it's official website which can be seen accessed by performing a simple search on it's main page. Here is a some information that NASA has said; some.....




So what the deal with comet elenin, there does not seem to be too much credible information. Everyone seems to be freaking out about it, but no one even knows how big it is. Does this comet pose a threat and what is its size and nature? ...

I have been receiving many questions about Comet Elenin. Many of them refer to the outrageous lies on some conspiracy theory websites, which are amplified by people who seem to think this comet is highly unusual. It is not unusual, and it is not a threat to Earth. See the Wikipedia article on this comet [en.wikipedia.org...] for more information. C2010 X1 Elenin (to give its full name) is a long-period comet, which takes about 10,000 years to complete one orbit around the Sun. It was discovered with a robotic telescope in New Mexico on 10 December 2010 by Russian amateur astronomer Leonid Elenin. When comets or asteroids are first discovered, their orbits are quite uncertain; usually it takes several months of observations to firmly establish the orbit. Elenin's perihelion (closest to the Sun) is in early September 2011 at a distance from the Sun of 40-45 million miles. It will be closest to Earth on about 16 October, at a distance of about 21 million miles, which is nearly a hundred times farther than the Moon. The comet never comes close to the Earth, but it is expected to be visible in binoculars during August and October. Part of the Internet chatter concerns its size. Comets are exceedingly small and enveloped in a tenuous cloud of gas and dust, so the only way to be sure of their actual dimensions is to visit with a spacecraft. Half a dozen comets have been the target of spacecraft missions, and all of them (even Comet Halley) are less than 10 km in diameter. There is no reason to think Elenin is any different. This means its mass is less than one billionth the mass of the Earth. Needless to say, we will not be aware of the tiny gravitational pull from Elenin.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:23 AM
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Originally posted by loagun
Oh wow, thank you for correcting my 5 AM mistake where I accidently wrote astrologer instead of astronomer, and what nice tone you write it in too.
There's a big difference between astrologer and astronomer. The differences are quite important. My tone was meant to be nothing more than a helpful correction.



Originally posted by loagun
In an equally level tone; No, you are wrong. NASA has cited a number of pages to 'Comet Elenin' on it's official website which can be seen accessed by performing a simple search on it's main page. Here is a some information that NASA has said; some.....
Yup, they've got a couple Ask an Astrobiologist answers that deal with Elenin. Other than that, and the JPL Small Body Database info, no real commentary or data. Certainly not any kind of PR campaign. As I said, NASA doesn't have much to say about Elenin.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 09:56 AM
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I'm investing into better equipment, just for the occasion...
S+F btw...



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:19 AM
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Well from what I have observed from your presented data it seems there is much to question as far as why certain images are blacked out from general public. I am not sure if the ELENIN is Nibiru/Nemesis/Planet x but I do find it weird that it is coming near on a untracked path in these times. Yes there have been many global situations that seem to hint at some UNKNOWN force interacting with EA. Now I seen in the data how it mentions the Binary star and celestial bodies it may have with it. And I don't doubt this just from information I have seen posted about there potentially being a large mass/size celestial body out there in the OORT cloud dislodging other celestials in its region once stationary in the OORT but moved from a Celestial object out there. I find that strange as well as the fact that there are new scopes up that are searching for celestial objects that may not show photon signature but show heat signature. This as well hints to me at least that something is out there and is being observed. Nibiru not sure as of yet have to get closer pics somewhat like the winged celestial you presented. So over all I do feel there is a force in the SOL system as of now interacting with the existing celestial bodies of the SOL system. Proof I feel is how Venus was struck in 8-09 and Jupiter in 7-09 So not to speculate to far I do think something is out there. Inhabited, 1 can assume.

Thanks for your input in the thread


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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by pishu
doesn't it seem a little odd to anyone that the data on JPL has not been updated for at least 5 days and that there is nothing said about the mass of this object?

ssd.jpl.nasa.gov.../2010%20X1;orb=1;cov=0;log=0;cad=0#orb


They need to get data from a number of additional observations in order to update the data. Before the March 3rd update, the previous update was made on February 23rd. So I'd expect it to update every 8 to 10 days.


Thanks

edit on 3/10/11 by Ophiuchus 13 because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by SubjectQR46J29P
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In 11.11.2011 The comet will change its path and this is a super comet we are talking about, which is why if it will fly by close it will be pulled towards Earth. So that pathway will change at the first signs America and other countries will try to shut it down. But it will be a false flag and it will be too late, so listen to the news and radio as soon as you see the signs start preparing food and a shelter for 2 years worth. This is the comet that will split the Earth into kingdoms after its impact. I said enough already but understand you will see the signs for yourself so watch the news and listen to the radio the best you can do is prepare.

Also make sure to stack up on stuff you can trade with the survivors it will be the difference between getting killed in the new world.

You will see the signs of proof in the coming months April, June,August, November.



Uh... right. Do you know what a measure of AU is to an astronomer? Have you seen the massive amounts of research done on Elenin?

They are recalculating it multiple times a day to see where they expect it to be, what days it will be closest, etc. And they will continue doing so, as an opportunity and experience to see something rare and exciting.

But it won't be THAT exciting aside from a light in the dark sky and research for our scientists. It will mean basically nothing to the average person, the absolute closest they figure it could possibly get at this time is .15 AU which is nowhere near enough to be concerned about it crashing into Earth... lol.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by shagulahe absolute closest they figure it could possibly get at this time is .15 AU which is nowhere near enough to be concerned about it crashing into Earth... lol.
Actually, the minimum distance is at .23 AU right now. And with a calculated magnitude in to 6 to 8 range, it might not even be visible to the naked eye.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by loagun
Oh wow, thank you for correcting my 5 AM mistake where I accidentally wrote astrologer instead of astronomer, and what nice tone you write it in too.
There's a big difference between astrologer and astronomer. The differences are quite important. My tone was meant to be nothing more than a helpful correction.



Originally posted by loagun
In an equally level tone; No, you are wrong. NASA has cited a number of pages to 'Comet Elenin' on it's official website which can be seen accessed by performing a simple search on it's main page. Here is a some information that NASA has said; some.....
Yup, they've got a couple Ask an Astrobiologist answers that deal with Elenin. Other than that, and the JPL Small Body Database info, no real commentary or data. Certainly not any kind of PR campaign. As I said, NASA doesn't have much to say about Elenin.


HA! Well since I have nothing else to do today, and its freezing outside I decided to do a little research about Comet Elenin, Leonid Elenin, the supposed IASC Astronomer who works at the Keldysh Institute of Applied Mathematics (Russian Academy of Sciences).

So NASA doesn't really have much to say? Hmm that's interesting... and I will tell you why..

I googled Leonid Elenin, and the first page that comes up is the amateur looking iasc.hsutx.edu... page which gives this little description about him:

"Mr. Elenin is an amateur astronomer from Lubertsy City, Russia, located near Moscow. With a passion for astronomy since childhood, he studies minor objects in the Solar System and variable stars. He has discovered more than 10 variable stars and numerous asteroids. He works at the Keldysh Institute of Applied Mathematics (Russian Academy of Sciences)."

Now presuming that we bpage looks old because it is in fact outdated, we can be assured that Mr. Elenin does 'apparently' work at the Keldysh Institute of Applied Mathematics like the first web page mentions, because by searching his name we also come up with this page: www.linkedin.com...
Which states the same information "Leonid Elenin, Astronomy at Keldysh Institute of Applied Mathematics RAS, in the Educational Institution" This website is also from 2010.

So not only do these two websites is that Mr Elenin not only works in Moscow, Russia, but he teaches Astrology at the Keldysh Institute of Applied Mathematics.

With more digging we see that NASA's official webpage, as countless other's states "It was discovered with a robotic telescope in New Mexico on 10 December 2010 by Russian amateur astronomer Leonid Elenin', but that is it. No mention of his job, or where that job is located.

Hmmm now isn't that odd? Now how can he be work for an educational institution, a university ne doubt, and teach astrology, and yet also be an "amateur" like NASA reports? Let's not forget that on NASA's press release they leave out any and all mention of his employment.....

Hmmm I don't know something smells fishy to me, let's keep digging...

So as NASA states Mr. Elenin discovered the comet(also known as C/2010 X1 according to NASA and Wikipedia) when he was using a 'robotic telescope in New Mexico'. Now how on Earth would an 'amateur astrologer' as NASA deemed Mr. Elenin ever get access to a robotic telescope in New Mexico? Not to mention that the contradicting stories get even more crossed when one wonders why he isn't actually in Moscow to begin with there he's suppose to be teaching astrology in a university???

Obviously NASA fudged there stories by accident when they deemed "Mr.Elenin" to be an amateur astrologer on one site, and a university professor on another(am I hinting that they made him up?? yes!)

BUT WAIT! lol. it get's EVEN better.

Now as nataylor stated "As I said, NASA doesn't have much to say about Elenin." and on the previous page "Number one, NASA had nothing to do with this discovery. Number two, here are a bunch of pictures:" with the accompanying link www.aerith.net... to some pictures.

So I decided to look up these robotic telescoped in New Mexico and I found all of them. They are as follows....

NF/ Observatory
Lincoln Near Earth Asteroid Research (LINEAR)
RAPTOR Los Alamos National Laboratory
ROTSE Robotic Optical Transient Search Experiment

now why don't we take a closer look...

NF/ Observatory
Western New Mexico University in Silver City
"Funded in part by support from the NASA Arkansas Space Grant Consortium, Henderson State University, and the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics."
www.nfo.edu...

Lincoln Near Earth Asteroid Research (LINEAR)
White Sands Missile Range in Socorro, New Mexico
"is an MIT Lincoln Laboratory program funded by the United States Air Force and NASA"
www.ll.mit.edu...

RAPTOR Los Alamos National Laboratory
Los Alamos, NM
ISR-1 is engaged in a mixture of civilian- and defense-related programs supported by DOE, DOD, NASA, and other US government agencies.
www.raptor.lanl.gov...

ROTSE Robotic Optical Transient Search Experiment
Los Alamos, NM
"The ROTSE research program is supported by NASA, NSF, the Research Corporation, The Planetary Society and the participating institutions."
www.umich.edu...


HA! There ALL supported/funded by NASA! The robotic telescope that "Leonid Elenin"(who doesn't exist on the internet outside of the two profile pages) 'discovered' Comet Elenin/C/2010 X1 using a NASA frick-a-ding-dong telescope that belongs to a NASA sponsored program.

Aslo the link that nataylor left me with the supposed pictures www.aerith.net...



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 02:29 PM
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Ahhh I forgot to mention the "The Pan-STARRS Project" which is talked about all over the original page we come to when searching for "Leonid Elenin" that gives his little description. What is this project all about??

solarsystem.nasa.gov...

he Pan-STARRS Project is being led by the UH M?noa Institute for Astronomy, and exploits the unique combination of superb observing sites and technical and scientific expertise available in Hawai?i. Funding for the development of the observing system has been provided by the United States Air Force Research Laboratory. The PS1 Surveys have been made possible through contributions by the Institute for Astronomy, the University of Hawai?i, the Pan-STARRS Project Office, the Max Planck Society and its participating institutes, the Max Planck Institute for Astronomy, Heidelberg and the Max Planck Institute for Extraterrestrial Physics, Garching, the Johns Hopkins University, Durham University, the University of Edinburgh, the Queen's University Belfast, the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics, the Las Cumbres Observatory Global Telescope Network, Incorporated, the National Central University of Taiwan, and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration under Grant No. NNX08AR22G issued through the Planetary Science Division of the NASA Science Mission Directorate.



Low and behold, the website that has "Leonid Elenin" only known description besdies the new one I found on Linkd, that the website that is dedicated to this "Pan-STARRS Project " is patented by NASA NNX08AR22G


God they sure slopped this story up. Obviously they threw it all together in a hurry seeings how their tracks are on everything.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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If what you say is true which im not doubting. Do you feel this is part of Bluebeam- depopulation attempt- or distracting the fear associated with Elenin if true on its way here?

You made some good points, thanks.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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I am amazed at your work! Loagun, it is people like you that make ats, what it is! You are really passionate about your belief here so, I am looking forward to reviewing more of the information you so kindly brought to our attention. Thankyou



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by loagunHmmm now isn't that odd? Now how can he be work for an educational institution, a university ne doubt, and teach astrology, and yet also be an "amateur" like NASA reports?
Perhaps he doesn't get paid for his time doing minor planet searches. That would make him an amateur, by definition. But if he is an amateur, semi-pro- or professional, what does it matter?



So as NASA states Mr. Elenin discovered the comet(also known as C/2010 X1 according to NASA and Wikipedia) when he was using a 'robotic telescope in New Mexico'. Now how on Earth would an 'amateur astrologer' as NASA deemed Mr. Elenin ever get access to a robotic telescope in New Mexico?
The telescope he used is hosted at this site: New Mexico Skies. If you want to get together with some buddies and buy a telescope and pay this place for hosting, you too can have your own remote observatory.



So I decided to look up these robotic telescoped in New Mexico and I found all of them.
You missed the one they actually use, hosted by a private company


So yes nataylor, an entire PR campaign by NASA.
beat that.
I just did. Also, your post was still littered with the word astrologer. It's not 5AM any more, so you have no excuse to keep using the wrong word.
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posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
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If what you say is true which im not doubting. Do you feel this is part of Bluebeam- depopulation attempt- or distracting the fear associated with Elenin if true on its way here?

You made some good points, thanks.


To be honest I really don't know much about project Bluebeam, and as for depopulation I am unsure yet. Now that we can see NASA is behind the whole Comet Elenin (and PS I urge everyone to please check out the sources to what I have stated so you can see NASA's footprints on the entire 'discovery story'), and once I get past the shock that I actually just debunked this, ME I JUST SHOWED THE WORLD NASA MADE THE WHOLE 'Leonid Elenin' DISCOVERY UP
LOL, I will begin to wonder why....

Maybe the whole comet is a distraction to keep us looking while something else happens?? Because they know everyone will be waisting their time searching for this comet for months. Maybe it's all a big 'Charlie Sheen' distraction story?



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by nataylor

Originally posted by loagunHmmm now isn't that odd? Now how can he be work for an educational institution, a university ne doubt, and teach astrology, and yet also be an "amateur" like NASA reports?
Perhaps he doesn't get paid for his time doing minor planet searches. That would make him an amateur, by definition. But if he is an amateur, semi-pro- or professional, what does it matter?



So as NASA states Mr. Elenin discovered the comet(also known as C/2010 X1 according to NASA and Wikipedia) when he was using a 'robotic telescope in New Mexico'. Now how on Earth would an 'amateur astrologer' as NASA deemed Mr. Elenin ever get access to a robotic telescope in New Mexico?
The telescope he used is hosted at this site: New Mexico Skies. If you want to get together with some buddies and buy a telescope and pay this place for hosting, you too can have your own remote observatory.



So I decided to look up these robotic telescoped in New Mexico and I found all of them.
You missed the one they actually use, hosted by a private company


So yes nataylor, an entire PR campaign by NASA.
beat that.
I just did. Also, your post was still littered with the word astrologer. It's not 5AM any more, so you have no excuse to keep using the wrong word.
edit on 10-3-2011 by nataylor because: (no reason given)


I don't really care about my mistake on a word, I just debunked your entire rant even if I cited the wrong telescope, and you know what, I am going to do it again right now citing the 'apparent' robotic telescope 'Mr. Elenin' used(cite your source on that please so I can link it to NASA as well).

You say he used this one: hosting.nmskies.com... the New Mexico Skies observatory? the same site that on it's 'Clients!' page here: hosting.nmskies.com...

list's it's very first client as being "National Aeronoutics and Space Administration (NASA)" linking to NASA's website.

Ha. Fail. NASA again behind another site you gave me.



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 03:03 PM
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"my comet is not dangerous for the Earth. It's first. I'm very happy - because discover of comet was my main astronomical dream by many years. I disappointed by many rumours about my comet, and try to give truth about this comet. This truth is simple - my comet is real comet. It will be relative bright and pass close to Earth, but on safe distance. Comet will be bright on images from space based Sun coronograph" Leonid Elenin

via facebook



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 03:11 PM
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PS to everyone. With all this info I brought forward that shows NASA being behind the entire comet 'Elenin' discovery story, I am not saying the comet doesn't exist! What is evident however is the fabrication of their story...

I believe something is indeed out their in our solar solar system that is behind the sun's current nervous breakdown. Remember, if we learned anything from Britney's epic 5 year breakdown, it can only get worse



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by flashcube
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I am amazed at your work! Loagun, it is people like you that make ats, what it is! You are really passionate about your belief here so, I am looking forward to reviewing more of the information you so kindly brought to our attention. Thankyou


Your welcome. It was my day off and it's -20 outside... also I hate NASA



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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No..like 65 million years ago...remember T-rex?



posted on Mar, 10 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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You don't believe the Sun follows a roughly 11 year cycle?

Is Bernhard part of the plot too?
www.amication.de...

Cool animation here:
nssphoenix.wordpress.com...




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