Primary school pupils exposed to 'explicit' sex advice

reply to post by Mike_A
You say 'prove it'!


We have a single mum next door to us who went on holiday and came back to a pregnant 14 and 15 year old. Their lives are not improved. They are ALL wrecked and remain uneducated and without hope. Sex remains NOT a game for children who cannot afford to support themselves in life. Try to tell me differently as the main consequence of sex IS still pregnancy and therefore NOT for children. Throughout the UK you will find hundreds of thousands of such wrecked lives. NO is the most important word in the English language and self respect and potential for a better life remains the main benefit for using the word NO!

Children need to be taught comprehensive sex education (about orgasms and such, too) before puberty, that is about 10 years old at most (third-fourth grade in here). That is given by their biology. Five years old seem too soon to me, tough.

reply to post by Elliot


It is tricky.

I don't have kids myself, maybe if I had my view would be different.

I do understand both sides on this, yet I do feel that dealing with this subject "in the right way" is needed.

Like I say, there is an innocence to the way kids books do deal with certain subjects.

Do people also agree that kids books need to get rid of any mention or hint of killing, death etc?
The books I'd read in school had trolls, man eating wolves etc. Subjects that if written about in an adult way would be wrong.

I hope you are getting what I mean.

teaching these kids this sickening crap.

Sex is not "sickening crap".

It has to be avoided that children grow up with the belief that sex is "sickening crap", to avoid the errors that obviously happened when people like you were "educated" about it.

reply to post by ag893


Nowhere in the article does it show proof that 5yr olds are actually being shown or taught explicit topics. I agree it should be a parents responsibility to teach their children about the subect of sex when the time arises but for some parents they don't have the guts to. It is a hugely embarassing subject for parents and their kids to discuss. UNLESS it has been explained that it is as normal a subject as life and death.

I was lucky enough to have a mother who never made a taboo out of the subject. That is probably why I am in the minority of my age group in my area to have an eldest child only 7yrs old. Many (and I mean many) of my school friends were either pregnant when we left school or got pregnant shortly after. A few even had abortions whilst still in school. I am positively grannified by comparison.

It is not so much sex education causing a rise in these things as the sexualisation of everything we see from tv to movies to music. Without sex ed and parents who can handle the subject what happens? They grow up thinking that what they see in the media is real life when it is not.
Sex ed helps to distinguish between reality and fantasy. Once someone has all the facts only then can they make an informed decision. I am not saying that teaching 5yrs the joys of sex is ok, it's not. And there is no proof this is happening. BUT there is nothing wrong with explaining the basics if they want to know. It is not forced and parents DO have a right to pull their child from any such lesson if they feel it is inappropriate.

reply to post by Elliot


Oh come on Elliot, don’t insult yourself with such nonsense.

You said that sex education has not improved lives and that it appears to make children believe they SHOULD (your emphasis) be having sex and that this wrecks lives.

Your neighbour getting knocked up at 14 does not prove that and I am sure you understand why it doesn’t prove it.

Reply to post by TKDRL

This is the problem I have with people. Its people like this who NEVER grow up. How the hell does a grown man at 29 years of age, still think life is all about getting laid?! Most people I know at 30 years old don't use those terms at all. That's something idiotic 19-year-olds use because they get none. If your really trying to justify someone teaching a 5 year old about sex and orgasms just because you had sex at 12 years of age, you have no business being in this discussion at all. Your already corrupted and still haven't grown up to learn much of anything about life. This is why I starting to hate adults. Most of you act like the kids I see in HS on a daily basis with little to no common sense about the most basic things. You can't discern what is right from what is wrong because your innocense was gone long before you even reached puberty. How the hell is anyone suppose to accept advice from you?


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lol, I remember when I discovered my first, 'mag'. Very interesting indeed. To some it up though, the boy whose brother the stash belonged to was disgusted with what he saw and had absolutely no interest. To him it just confirmed how disgusting girls were and that is the trouble we are going to have with playground teaching.

We don't want our kids learning about the birds and the bees from graphic pornography.

A genuine question in an attempt to cool this conversation down a bit. What advantages are there to a parent teaching their child about sex rather than a teacher, who IS a teacher and although may not be an expert in sex (not sure a lot of people are) is an expert at teaching and portraying things in a way which is educational to children?

Originally posted by ag893
Reply to post by TKDRL

 

This is the problem I have with people. Its people like this who NEVER grow up. How the hell does a grown man at 29 years of age, still think life is all about getting laid?! Most people I know at 30 years old don't use those terms at all. That's something idiotic 19-year-olds use because they get none. If your really trying to justify someone teaching a 5 year old about sex and orgasms just because you had sex at 12 years of age, you have no business being in this discussion at all. Your already corrupted and still haven't grown up to learn much of anything about life. This is why I starting to hate adults. Most of you act like the kids I see in HS on a daily basis with little to no common sense about the most basic things. You can't discern what is right from what is wrong because your innocense was gone long before you even reached puberty. How the hell is anyone suppose to accept advice from you?

 

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Now you are projecting lol. I never said life was about getting laid... So shoot me, I use slang, big deal. Who cares what it is called, it is still the same thing. Stop assuming you know anything about me, because you don't. And stop assuming that your morals are some universal truth, morals are very subjective, and vary from culture indoctrination, to culture indoctrination. And for the record, I was well into puberty by 12....

Originally posted by jexmo
reply to post by TKDRL

 

A genuine question in an attempt to cool this conversation down a bit. What advantages are there to a parent teaching their child about sex rather than a teacher, who IS a teacher and although may not be an expert in sex (not sure a lot of people are) is an expert at teaching and portraying things in a way which is educational to children?

Parents aren't going to teach kids the same thing, some might not even say anything at all.

A teacher can provide a standard of education on the subject for all kids.

reply to post by JonoEnglish


Thank you.

So none, I rest my case.

Originally posted by Mike_A
reply to post by Frontkjemper

 

You’re guessing? On what basis should this guess be given any merit?

On the basis of me actually being an active (and so far successful) parent. We've all been kids, many of us can remember being kids. I didn't start to think about sex until I was roughly eleven. Granted, we're not all the same but seriously, I can nearly guarantee you that no five year old thinks about sex.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by Frontkjemper

 

Orgy-porgy, Ford and fun,
Kiss the girls and make them One.
Boys at one with girls at peace;
Orgy-porgy gives release.

Aldous Huxley, Brave New World 1932
en.wikiquote.org...

And they probably don't even know what the words mean. A few years ago in Norway, they released a "Hits for Kids" CD which included "Suck on my Lollipop", which of course when listened to by an adult meant blow job. But kids being innocent thought it meant just literally sucking on a lollipop.

I have to say that there are quite a few good arguments for both sides of the discussion. But I still dont feel right having my kids get Sex-Ed in a public discussion type of situation while the rest of the world treats sex as something private, only for bedrooms (for the most part at least )... Are we as adults dealing with sex wrongly or is the system wrong? I am inclined to think the later, most adults feel a tendency to shield our children from our nightly adventures. When they do catch us in the act, most of us will explain that mommy and daddy are simply really fond of oneanother.
In comparison Sex-Ed will not be putting emphasys on the being fond part. Instead they will dive into details and affirm the children that enjoying their body's is a good thing... Well, it is... But not at 5 years old, and neither at 15

@Frontkjemper

I can nearly guarantee you that no five year old thinks about sex.

Unless they've been into contact with the subject to much... I know I have. Thats why Im convinced that until a child begins to hit puberty, nothing good can come from indulging their curiosity... And just for your information, sexual molestation of children is so freakingly common that there literally is not 1 classroom wich doesn't contain a child with experience in that field.

reply to post by Frontkjemper

On the basis of me actually being an active (and so far successful) parent. We've all been kids, many of us can remember being kids.

And? Being a parent qualifies you in child psychology and the finer arts of pedagogy? It would be extremely unlikely that none of the people supporting sex education at this age are parents so being a parent doesn’t make you right.

Yes we’ve all been kids and we all have different opinions so what does we all having been kids have to do with it.

And why does kids not thinking about sex at five (evidence?) mean we shouldn’t teach about sex at that age? I image that a lot of what these children are taught has never entered into their thoughts but we still teach it because we deem it useful for later life.

There is a total lack of evidence in this thread but there is a whole heap of unfounded claims both for and against sex education; what happened to standards of evidence?

reply to post by Mike_A


There is also a TOTAL lack of solid evidence for whatever it is that the educational body is trying to feed our kids, didn't stop you from throwing your kids in the lions den did it? Except for our kids attaining a mass of raw information, nobody can be certain of the effects for our children... Ever heard of information-overload? Peer pressure?
Just because DR Spock wrote a book on how to raise children and did a study on it doesn't make him alknowing...

Its beginning to seem like modern times are all about "getting laid" than "falling in love", the latter of which is more important to me. I personally am 17 (18 in 4 months) and I personally am waiting for "that one" to lose my virginity to (if guys can even be considered virgins in the first place - since we don't - you know- have any hymens), and if I had been sleeping around at 12, by 18, I would've probably been a walking mess, because, you see, when you have sex with somebody you share some of yourself with them, if you did that on a regular basis, you would walk around confused and your life would be a complete mess, should you overdo it. I've got my life pretty well figured out right now, and happy with it.

Sex is overrated anyway, I say, if you wanna have that release - masturbate, skip the drama.

reply to post by faceoff85

There is also a TOTAL lack of solid evidence for whatever it is that the educational body is trying to feed our kids, didn't stop you from throwing your kids in the lions den did it? Except for our kids attaining a mass of raw information, nobody can be certain of the effects for our children... Ever heard of information-overload? Peer pressure?

Just because DR Spock wrote a book on how to raise children and did a study on it doesn't make him alknowing...

Yeah you’re right we should leave it all up to whoever’s got the biggest mouth; I mean I’m sure Frontkjemper’s guess is just as good as any peer reviewed study carried out by trained child psychologists and educational experts.

Do you go to your doctor with this attitude? The medical community thinks penicillin will help with that infection but the bloke on the corner guesses tic tacs are the cure, his opinion is just as good as any isn’t it? I mean just because Dr Spock wrote a book and did a study doesn’t make him all knowing does it!

When someone posts that 12 is the right age to start teaching about sex what the hell is wrong with expecting some evidence?!

teaching children about where babies come from is one thing...teaching 7 year olds that masturbating with others is normal and a perfectly decent way to spend time is..OBVIOUSLY...absolutely ridiculous...and..i think..soooo ridiculous that the people behind this move have to be watched very closely.

reply to post by Mike_A



Nothing is wrong with expecting evidence, I cant understand why anyone would agree with the system but at the same time I am less then powerless to do quat about it. My kids go to school, receive all the education you'd expect. Doesn't satisfy me but hey what can you do right?

I believe the only thing we can do to at least have tried and steer our kids in the right way is to set their moral standards high. Personally I'd rather have a bunch of very frigid kids who dont know or at least dont care for the subject until they're 15, hey who can blame me for trying...

Originally posted by ScorpioRising
(when you're a parent using the bathroom is a spectator sport....)

Totally off topic post, but as the mother of an 8 year old girl, I can totally relate to that statement.