Primary school pupils exposed to 'explicit' sex advice

reply to post by Elliot


Probably because assbackward prude places like that end up with the highest rate of pregnant kids popping up. If they are not taught about it responsibly, they will learn about it amongst themselves anyway, and without the helpful knowledge about using a rubber to prevent pregnancy and STD's. Like it or not, once adolescance kicks in, biology takes it's toll. Keeping them in the dark is harmful.

reply to post by Mike_A

With very great respect, Mike, how do you or we know that the people who take these decisions are well qualified to take them? How do we know they have the best interests of our children at heart? In the UK the sex education has rocketed at school, and along with it has the underage pregnancy rates.

WE have had 'qualified' teachers, 'qualified' nursery nurses etc, convicted of being pedophiles and preying on our children, so how can we be so sure that those at the top of the heap are any better?

To many honest people this seems totally wrong. They may be castigated as backwards fools who are missing out 'on the Joy of Sex' but in reality sex education has NOT improved the lives of our children as in their minds, once it is taught and they are 'educated' on the subject they appear to believe it is something they SHOULD be doing and they then wreck their lives being distracted by pointless relationships and their own nether regions rather than their education. Does someone not want our children concentrating on education.

So what would happen to a child if it were convinced by their parents that sex at a young age is... lets say damaging to their body's, effectively steering the kids away from anything sex-related. Then when they turn lets say 15 you sit down with em and explain everything from a husband/wife's POV (this would give the opossite perspective as opossed to pornmovies for example, putting emphasys on love and respect)

My point is, why in gods name would we want 5 year olds knowing where to stick it? To me its just another example of the sickening society. The way things are ATM we as parents have little to no control over the sexual development of children. Where is this leading? sexual revolution, loss of respect, even higher divorcestatistics, our children being WAY to aware of their own sexuality.

Dont get me wrong I think sex is wonderfull and my daughters have every right to enjoy their own sexuality. I just cant bear the thought of them learning the sick ways of the world. They would not receive ANY harm if they'd wait with sex until they were in a steady relationship. But what will happen is that all the influences in our daily lives is going to jumpstart their curiosity and they will likely fall prey to some form of sexual abuse, not to mention the diseases one can get from f***ing around

Has anyone ever heard of age appropriate material? There is nothing wrong with encouraging children to wait until they are mature enough to make safe sex decisions. For older children, preteen and up additional information should be provided upon request. Older children are not given all the facts to make safe sex decisions. Heck, I am constantly surprised how many adults don't have all the facts.
I was with a guy who around 3 months after we had gotten together told me a woman was trying to claim her son as his. The kid was a dead ringer for this guy. He swore up and down though that the kid wasn't his because she was on her period when they had sex. The mother and I became friends and we now share and ex.
Other stories I here are guys saying the woman lied about birth control. She probably was taking it, just not correctly. Or guys who say, I made her take it in front of me. Well if it was the wrong time of day...

Originally posted by MrEuphoric1
reply to post by JonoEnglish

 

Exactly.

Those should be the main focuses and the acknowledgment that sex and the human body are a normal thing......stay informed.....No means No.....and talk to a trusted loved one or parent...

And btw.....I walked in on my dad and his girlfriend when I was twelve only because the sounds made me think they were "fighting" (which was not the norm in our house) and I subsequently walked around confused for three days. So i know the consequences of No Communication about Sex.

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I bet that was an awkward moment.

When I was in school, I was not taught any of this crap at 5 YEARS OF AGE!! Do you any of you realize that these kids are freakin 5 years old?! What the hell is wrong with some of you adults?! I'm a senior in HS and I can remember back when I was five, the world was nothing but going outside and playing in the sand box or playground with my friends! We didn't talk about sex at all because there was no need to! We weren't thinking about it!! A freakin 5 year old shouldn't be! Some of you people that are actually defending these people sicken me! When I was a child, I always thought becoming an adult meant actually being an adult. Someone with wisdom, maturity, growth, education, morals. As I grew up, I realized most adults are neither. Well the ones without Jesus in their lives. It always amazes me how many people are quick to point out how just because they aren't a Christian, they have morals. Well if that's so, how the hell do you discern what's right from what's wrong. If they raping kids, you'd probably still find a way to justify their actions!! You all make me sick!! This shouldn't be talk to freakin 5 year olds!! Not even 8 year olds!! They should wait until at least junior high like I was when we actually understand these things! Wtf is wrong with the world?!!


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If any of this crap was being taught to my little brother, you'd better believe all hell would break loose. Maybe some of you don't care about your kids, that's your freakin problem. But don't you dare try to infiltrate the innocense of my little brothers mind. All he needs to worry about is being a normal kid. He's 7 by the way. You all need to seriously get a freakin clue!!


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TKDRL Again with respect, it is not just the bacward types as you put it who are ending up pregnant. Many a young girl with great potential in life ends up pregnant and either with a child, or potentially damaged by abortion or STDs..
Girls seem to be programmed to 'please' (disappointingly) and are often pressured into sex by boys they should not even be seeing in the first place. And we allow this to happen why? Sexual liberation in its theoretical form, has turned into sexual slavery for young girls and women as they actually believe they have to allow themselves to be used in such manners and that it is normal. I am afraid, only by its consequence, a broken and hopeless society do we learn that sex education has corrupted our children and may well have destroyed society as we knew it. The family is dead, long live the single mum with a child from each and every partner supported by the state and the tax payer! And yes, this was caused by sex education, because in sex education children are taught they can do anything, have anything, be had by anyone....as long as it 'feels right.' Quite sad and pathetic really.

And whose silly idea was that?

Originally posted by ag893
If any of this crap was being taught to my little brother, you'd better believe all hell would break loose. Maybe some of you don't care about your kids, that's your freakin problem. But don't you dare try to infiltrate the innocense of my little brothers mind. All he needs to worry about is being a normal kid. He's 7 by the way. You all need to seriously get a freakin clue!!

 

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Calm down...
Thats very naive, you don't think kids ever over hear their parents. You don't think they ever turn on the T.V late when they can't sleep. They don't find their brothers stash of mags and then show their friends?

I found out about sex at a very early age through a certain school friend, Im sure im not the only one.

Thats reality friend, its not ideal and I wouldn't choose that sort of education for my kids. I'll stick with the teachers.

reply to post by Elliot


Kudos, I couldn't have said it better myself. You described exactly why I detest the mainstream Sex-Ed... They want to make us believe that we have "a right" to enjoy our body's.... no we SHOULD enjoy our bodies with whomever or whatever we want.... Morals anyone?

reply to post by Elliot


Young people got pregnant long before sex education was introdused. Back in those days mom and dad just took them quietly to get abortions, and never spoke of it again. wouldn't want to bring embarrasment upon the family name.

Especially in this day in age, it is impossible to keep kids in the dark about anything. Unless you never let your kids go to friends houses, dont let them watch TV, listen to the radio, or use the computer. And TV only teaches about the fun parts of sex mostly, not all the reprucussions...

Originally posted by calstorm
Has anyone ever heard of age appropriate material? There is nothing wrong with encouraging children to wait until they are mature enough to make safe sex decisions. For older children, preteen and up additional information should be provided upon request. Older children are not given all the facts to make safe sex decisions.

Are you kidding??? First off what Age is appropriate when all people are different. Secondly and most importantly... I never ever ever would have gone to my dad or mom and asked for ANY sex specific info, condoms, advice etc. And I don't think I know any girls that would have. Especially when the age I would have wanted to ask things was 13.. Be realistic. The best parent/ child relationship isn't going to stand up to All the embarrassing questions. And those are the most embarrassing to a child or pre-teen.

reply to post by Elliot


I do understand your concerns. I have concerns about it too. Yet I do agree that sex education or awareness of sex is a good thing, backed up with like I say abstinence and safe sex etc.

I think we need to consider WHY children are being distracted and sexualised in this manner

It's educating kids on a subject that will effect every single one of them.
There's no point in educating a kid on it once she or he has hit the "legal age" .

Once a child's innocence is stolen........it remains stolen

i so agree, don't you think though that kids will be aware of inappropriate behaviour by an adult due to knowing a little about the very basics on the subject?

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I found out about the "birds and the bees" early too lol. Some friends and I were playing hide and seek and stumbled upon his fathers penthouse stash. Enlightening experience lmao.

Reply to post by MrEuphoric1

No morals and no class. As I thought. Your just like the people teaching these kids this sickening crap. What's worse is that you think the teachers and schools should be educating students on sex. That's your parents job! That's kinda the point in them being parents?! Who taught you right from wrong? How to talk? How to clean up?! Your parents or guardian! Those vital skills have nothing to do with the school. Its not their responsibility! In addition to losing morals, it seems most people are losing their common sense!


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reply to post by JonoEnglish


Everything a child needs to know to be able to make a judgement wether an adult is showing indecent conduct is the following: Your privates are yours and nobody should be touching you there.. NOBODY

Why would you want to explain an 8 year old what handlings he/she should be on the lookout for...

reply to post by TKDRL


I agree that young people have become pregnant in past times and even before sex education BUT NOT to the extent we are seeing now.
To teenagers IRRESPONSIBLE sexual behaviour is considered normal. Yet they cannot afford to bring up a child on their own and so should not be indulging their groinal 'itches' to the detriment of society.

As for condoms, I assume you are like me over 18 and well aware that they only work 80% of the time. These children cannot afford the consequences of their actions and are behaving in an fashion that could cause harm to themselves and society. Society is being wrecked by these children because we are expected to pay for their children and their 'pretend' families where the states is the provider. That is not good enough, I am afraid and girls are NOT the playthings of boys which is what they have become and what they have been allowed to become and what they are being allowed to become by society.

There is no NEED for sex education. WE can all survive WITHOUT sex. It is not essential for our lives to continue, only for the future generations and if we can't afford them, don't have room for them, can't support them, we should NOT be having them.

Contraception is a 'fantasy' and a have it all fantasy at that which does not work. Unless we are sterilised, nature will always find a way.

reply to post by Elliot

With very great respect, Mike, how do you or we know that the people who take these decisions are well qualified to take them?

Because it’s a matter of public record who the department of education employs, what educational standards they apply, and what information they use to determine the national curriculum. For example the current permanent secretary is David Bell who has a PGCE and Masters in Education.

In the UK the sex education has rocketed at school, and along with it has the underage pregnancy rates.

I’d like to see the statistical evidence but even if it exists it doesn’t prove a causal link.

WE have had 'qualified' teachers, 'qualified' nursery nurses etc, convicted of being pedophiles and preying on our children, so how can we be so sure that those at the top of the heap are any better?

I really don’t know what that is supposed to mean. Are you suggesting that this is a pedophile conspiracy? Or are you suggesting that because some who are qualified turn out to be pedophiles then qualifications don’t matter?

To many honest people this seems totally wrong.

Who cares? There are plenty of nutjobs who think teaching evolution will damn their children to hell but that doesn’t mean we stop teaching about evolution.

in reality sex education has NOT improved the lives of our children as in their minds, once it is taught and they are 'educated' on the subject they appear to believe it is something they SHOULD be doing and they then wreck their lives being distracted by pointless relationships and their own nether regions rather than their education.

Prove it.

reply to post by JonoEnglish

JanoEnglish - If the purpose of sex education was to protect our children from molestation it would be praiseworthy indeed. However, do not let anyone do this, or that to you is not what is taught. Anything goes, is what is taught.

We as parents were very disappointed in our children's sex ed class....infact I nearly fell off my chair when I saw the materials shown to 11 year olds and that was nearly ten years ago!

reply to post by Elliot


Well I am 29, been getting laid since I was 12. So far rubbers have been 100% effective for me. And like I said, unless you are homeschooling your kids, not letting them go anywhere, watch TV, listen to the radio, or use a computer, they are gonna find about it, and probably a lot sooner than you hope for. Simply refusing to educate them would be really naive.