reply to post by LiveForever8
I can tell from your reply that you clearly don't understand some of the bigger concepts about the ancient cultures, and you are missing the bigger
picture of my posts.
These were deeply spiritual people, not like anything you've probably witnessed unless you've spent time with a native American Indian tribe or the
Mayan elders or a similar type of setting. The world you and I live in, the one we use computers in, doesn't exist for them and their way of life.
Yes, some people in those regions have "crossed over" into the technological world while still holding their traditions, but they aren't who I'm
referring to and in no way, represent the Mayans.
I did originally begin to go through your reply bit by bit, but to be honest I thought "what's the point?" It is obvious to me that your
belief in this is verging on a religious belief, in a way that is exactly what it is. All you are doing is regurgitating the beliefs of an ancient
civilisation, and of course, like all religions, you cant offer anything other than scripture/prophesy.
I don't like to bicker, but I don't appreciate your lack of interest after you write a thread knocking the entire idea around 2012 where I present
factual information and you call it "religion". It's obvious to you?? How do you have any clue what my religious beliefs are? I'm an educated
individual with an interest in ancient cultures, not just Mayans, but many different cultures. I've written about several of them. You have no idea
who I am or what I know and I'm insulted that you would make such an assumption about my religious background. It exemplifies how stereotypical you
are and rather than do some homework and prepare a good post, you throw nothing but personal conjecture and strawman arguments at me. You are a
hypocrite saying that I cite scripture and prophecy when that is exactly what you did in response to my first post? There are artifacts, far beyond
scripture and prophecy... stone carvings, codices, paintings, pottery, all of which illustrate the life of these cultures and go beyond "religion"
as you are trying to define it.
Yes, I agree that the Mayans NEVER stated this was some sort of apocalypse. And yes, they saw this date as a "new era" (the end of one
calendar and the beginning of another) which was, for them, a time of strengthening bonds and weaving a tapestry of balance and harmony. But that is
just like what we do every new year when we make resolutions and say "right...a fresh year, a fresh start!"
So you agree with me, but then disagree? WTF? And no, it is nothing like our "new year". We live through several decades of "new years" where they
do not live to see an entire Katun or Baktun pass. You're comparing apples to elephants. If you ACTUALLY read anything I wrote, or bothered to do ANY
kind of research, you would know right away that our new year resolutions are nothing like the prophecy of these cultures. You'd also realize that
they had observed CYCLES in time, the same way that we have seasons, and these were carefully documented and handed down over generations. They were
astute observers and understood the cosmos exceptionally well.
I don't have time to do it right now, but I have some information that relates the creation of the Gregorian calendar to the same time the
conquistadors returned from Central America with the Mayan codices. It wasn't soon after that the best mathematician the Pope could find at the time
(a German) designed the modern calendar, and the Mayans had more precise math because they didn't need a leap year to correct for the poor math of
the Vatican hired German. A full paper was written on this by a professor who was the head of the mathematics department at Fairleigh Dickinson
University, and it basically said it was practically impossible for anyone to have created the Gregorian calendar to be so precise without a more
accurate one to work from. Yet, for some reason, you really think that there is not a shred of credible interest that should be devoted to this, as if
the entire thing is nothing more than the 2012 hype that talks about doom... my thread shows otherwise.
You are basically relying on the word of an ancient Mayan priest who gave prophetic meaning to observed celestial and terrestrial cycles. Yes,
their understanding of astronomy was great, but that doesn't mean the vague and now out dated/meaningless prophecies that came from them should have
any legitimacy because of that.
I guess I should say the same about Moses? Buddha? Jesus? They gave meaning to things that were NOT observed and terrestrial cycles, yet you cite them
as reference and then have the gall to say I'M the one bordering on religion? The Mayans, for that reason alone, have far more legitimacy than most
religions, but that's not the point of this thread. I just want to make sure I clarify that one point with you because 95% of the world today
believes in things that aren't tangible or visible in any way, but the Mayans give you things that are measurable and tangible, including a calendar
and exact dates as well as artifacts.
I just don't get why people believe in this stuff. As if it's not bad enough that we still have religions tearing this planet apart, now
people are reviving ancient religions and giving them a sexy 21st century make over.
You clearly do not want to hear about anything that has to do with the history of these people.... PEOPLE, just like you and I only at a different
time, and your argument is only based around the modern hype that has been given to 2012 instead of the WHY it has been given. This is not ancient
religion with a make over, that is a foolish and absurd statement. This is an appreciation for ancient knowledge and technological abilities that
these people somehow had,. which were beyond what a majority of the rest of the world had at the time. Europe was still in the DARK AGES
that time! People want to understand HOW the Mayans got the knowledge and means to do what they did... which when you do the RESEARCH, takes you to
their God, Kukulcan / Quetzalcoatl. The importance of 2012 is the prophecy that he will return, and as I explained, this may not be a god-like figure
but a change in thinking that hasn't been observed since they were visited by this god-like figure. If you want to throw the religious slant, you
could say it's the return of a god... or you could do some research like I have and will realize that the line of thinking centers more on a
spiritual change that will make us all like him.
I appreciate your replies, but I honestly don't think you have any appreciation for this subject and frankly, are a little ignorant about it. You
don't have to go "bit by bit" through my response and try to tear it apart... you should put together your own well-rounded, and well-educated
presentation of the facts that YOU have found and then propose your hypothesis. I have seen nothing but conjecture from you so far, which borders on
ignorance my friend. I would love nothing more than to have a tit-for-tat debate
with you about what I previously mentioned.
I might make a more detailed post in the near future, but for now, that's me done.
For now, I bid you farewell and welcome a more detailed, researched, well-educated
post from you anytime.