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Originally posted by Whereweheaded
Considering that the Patriot Act, which by the way was misnamed, presented to the public as an antiterrorism measure, actually focuses on American citizens rather than foreign terrorists. The ability to expand the definition of " terrorism " has opened the door for the implemented executive order, to now be judge and jury.
This * snip * is just getting crazy!
edit on 9-3-2011 by Whereweheaded because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by yeahright
Originally posted by solargeddon
Wow, there is only one thing I can say to this.... "It's not fair !"
Just a quick question, How is it that this hasn't been reported on Yahoo? or in the English press ? Or have I just missed it?
Originally posted by glad_to_be_His
Here is the White House link to the EO Executive Order - Periodic Review of Individuals Detained at Guantanamo....
I slowly "skimmed" it and honestly can't find the nefarious part that gives Obama this power. Could someone with more expertise (or brain power) please point out the section(s)? From what I read it looks like this is limited only to detainees that were at Gitmo and fell under EO 13492. Is that correct? I understand that this could potentially lead to an overall general implementation (regardless of what it says) but I just can't find the actual language in the Order.
I am in NO way suggesting there is nothing wrong here, I just want to be clear of the argument before I step into it with someone or post it on FB
Originally posted by OldCorp
Yes, this is intensely disturbing; but not nearly as bad as when Obama Claimed The Power To Assassinate U.S. Citizens WITHOUT A TRIAL!
Now I'll be the first to admit that al-Alwaki is a scumbag, and he probably does deserve to die - AFTER A TRIAL has found him guilty! Regardless of what the man has been accused of, as an AMERICAN CITIZEN he has the right to be tried by a jury; especially when the sentence is death.
When the Chief Executive takes away our right to due process, he is a TYRANT. We live in a Fascist state now people. Get used to it, or do something about it.
Originally posted by GovtFlu
reply to post by Kali74
No rights being denied?.. how about the "right" to be freed by a jury / due process?
"Sec. 2. Standard for Continued Detention. Continued law of war detention is warranted for a detainee subject to the periodic review in section 3 of this order if it is necessary to protect against a significant threat to the security of the United States."
Some govt clowns "periodic review" can nullify a "not guilty" verdict as long as said clowns decide the acquitted represents "a significant threat to the security of the United States."
Originally posted by charles1952
Beside the obvious immediate effect on "Terrorists", President Obama's action shows a change in the fundamental philosophy of our government. We were founded on the checks and balances system because the founders knew that no one person or group of persons could be trusted with total or near total power.
If the President is not constrained by Congress and is able to ignore the Constitution, then he is a King in effect.
Besides, I happen to believe that every person needs some kind of control on their actions. "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." leads to a rotted soul. (No, I'm not trying to switch this to religion, simply observing that people need limits.)