It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by deesw
No man that has ever set out to disprove the Bible has ever been able to do it.
Why would it be so important for anyone to try and disprove Jesus' Deity? That is a question that I would really like a rational answer to. Madness......
copernicus and galileo sure did quite a number on the biblical model of the universe
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a Son, and will call him Immanuel. He will eat curds and honey when he knows enough to reject the the wrong and choose the right.
Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
St Mathew 12, 31-32 King James version
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
Originally posted by irdulili
there is a definite parallel between the 'immaculate conception' of christ ( the holy spirit descending apon Mary in the form of a dove)
Originally posted by The angel of light
...with respect to the immaculate conception of the always Virgin St Mary, since any attempt to desprestige it can be automatically considered as Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost. ...
Originally posted by coastlinekid
reply to post by liejunkie01
That is because the existence of Jesus is up for debate...
Therefore, his genealogy is in question...
Originally posted by Amadeus
Was Jesus a Bastard? (& did the Church hide the Fact with a Virgin Birth Myth based on Isaiah 7:14?
Originally posted by badmedia
reply to post by The angel of light
Oddly enough, I was just listening to a Jewish Rabbi a few days ago, and the topic was talking about how people who didn't understand things tried to fulfill OT prophecy. Interesting enough, this "sign" you mention of the virgin birth was one of them.
He made 1 very good point. And that is what you call a "sign" is not actually a sign at all. And he had a good little story that goes along with it. I'll try to repeat it and hopefully I won't butcher it too much.
So there is this small town outside of Chicago, and it's very windy in the town. They have a problem because all their stop signs kept getting blown down. This can be dangerous because it might fall on someone, and it takes a good bit of resources to put them back up all the time, not to mention any wrecks that may occur from the missing sign.
So the town decides to have a town meeting to try and solve the problem. And they are all arguing back and forth about what to do. Suddenly, this little old lady stands up and says - I have the solution, just listen to me and I will tell you have to fix it.
And then the lady says, well all we have to do is bury the entire sign in the ground. And then you won't have to worry about the sign getting blown over any more. It will stay there. Problem solved.
Disagree? Why? Is it because it's not a sign when you can't see it?. So how can the virgin birth be a sign?
Originally posted by KJV1611
reply to post by Amadeus
Are you a bastard? And if not, prove it too me. Do you have any "paper work" saying your not a bastard? Because Jesus does.....