Originally posted by Arkaleus
You have painted a different picture of Christ than I have come to understand. You have Feminized Him. You have Feminized Christ and put the rest of mankind's heads down because you have assumed that none of us have made any progression, you have rendered us into poverty and depression.
Poverty and depression? Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
This is wealth of spirit and the joy it brings.
Or do you speak of earthly poverty?
It isn't pride to be certain and confident in your path to perfection. That is what gives you joy. I will assume that you are fairly joyous in your own salvation and knowledge, but you choose to hide it.
It is not pride to be certain and confident.
If you go back to my last post, and learn from the question "Why did their sins remain?", You will see the pride of which I speak.
(please answer in your next post) You never commented on the command Jesus gave about selling your coat to buy a sword. What do you say to that? Would you obey such a command?
He gave the command to arm yourself and to follow him. Still want to tell me that Jesus was passive?
Since you are in teaching mode, teach me about this command he gave. Tell me why his desciple cut off the ear of one of the servants of the high priest. Tell me why Jesus caused his children to fight.
First, if you read the in context (The verse is Luke 22:36), it would be apparent that he did not intend it to be literal. If it were literal, two swords would not be enough (Luke 22:38) for 11 men to stop the armed guards that would be coming to arrest Jesus. Obviously, if it wasn't literal for his disciples it wouldn't be literal for you.
Second, if you read the other in context (assuming you also reffering to luke), it would be apparent that the disciple did not act on Jesus' orders, but acted on his own accord. Jesus ordered him to stop, then healed the servants ear.
Now, back to the first. Since it is not literal then what does it mean?
If you read this verse closely, you see something very peculiar.
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
It is divded into two parts.
This does not say "if you have a purse and money, buy a sword. if you don't sell your clothes to buy one."
The first part says if you have a purse, take it and your money.
The second part says if you do not have a sword, then sell your clothes and buy one. So what is this sword that you would have to sell your clothes off your back if you did not already have it? The Sword of spirit. The word of God. (Ephesians 6:17) This is the same throughout his teachings, be humbled to learn his teachings, which are the words of God.
So why then must you take your purse and money with you? If you look back one verse (Luke 22:25) he refers to Luke 10, where he sent 70 disciples out like sheeps among wolves. The reason he sent them out without these items, is because they would not be accousted by thieves and muggers if they had nothing to steal. So they could make it from town to town.
Now, Jesus is telling them to take their purse. This would attract the evil do'ers along the roads to them.
Why would they want to do so? To hit them with the sword of spirit-- the word of God.
In essence, Jesus is telling his followers: do not shield yourselfs from evil, draw it to you, so you may show them the word of God. Through the word of God they will spead the word of God troughout the world.
Now back to the second, if you were to look at Matthew 26:56-57 for this same account,
Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword. "Or do you think that I cannot appeal to My Father, and He will at once put at My disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
(please answer) Have you read any other books besides the Bible? You seem to have been explosed to only the most modern translations of the Bible, and your entire awareness seems to have been grown from that single source.
Do you refer to books that explain what the bible is supposed to teach?
No. But I am certain I have talked to many people who have read such books. I have used Strong's concordance, more or less, I have never owned the book, but I have owned a computer version since '92. But before that made sense, I had to learn how those people thought when they put things to words. Which is really when I discovered all the "words" in the bibles are just "labels" to describe an event or an idea. As long as you could understand the event or idea, it didn't matter which words were used. After all, there is more than one language on this planet.
As far as my exposure to the bible, when I discovered the truth of the existance of God I was an atheist. After I discovered the truth of the existance of God, I was an atheist who believed in God. That is to say, every argument against the bible was still part of who I was. The only thing that changed was I believed in God. It took me years of studying and prayer to understand all those things which before seemed like inconsistancies and contradictions. I did not study out of one translation of the bible, understanding of the truth is not always found by reading just one English version. Sometimes even the English version did not make sense, so, I looked at where the words came from in Strong's Concordance. Sometimes, I even looked to the older texts (with help of more learned people) to make sure the Strong's word was right.
(please answer) What is masculinity? What is manliness? What aspect of Jesus was King Ruler, Emperor, God of Men? What are those attributes like? What is the nature of the seated King, the hard iron rod? Aren't those male aspects in your Jesus? Or do you have another kind of fellow in mind? In the Bible, it states that in the Last days, those who remain faithful and true will be given a hard iron rod, and will rule the nations and judge mankind.
What is masculinity? I really haven't considered such things. I think it is only part of what it is to be a whole. "Masculinity" is derived from from only half of who you are. You were created with both an X and a Y chromosome.
The question should be, what is it to be human?
Jesus spoke quite rudely to the pharasees, saying plainly what they were. He didn't mince his words. Men loved Him because he Spoke with Authority, and it was amazing to him. Just like today, where no one at all dares to speak openly about the things are important. Except a few of us.
And none of us will get away unscathed for it.
And he didn't mince words. He saw what he saw, and said what he saw. But he never judged. There is a distinct difference. "Why did I fire the employee?"
A little stiffness in your manhood is good for you, son of Adam. I do not know another kind of man that is worthy to bear a crown of glory on High, than the kind of man who has achieved victory over his enemies. Be it with the word, or the deed, or the power of God, only the victorious will enter into His place.
There is a song by Kenny Rogers called Coward of the County. In that song it says, "sometimes you have to fight when you're a man." And I do agree with this, however, there are many ways to fight. Violence is not the only way.
Pride is indeeed wicked. Pride in the things of the world are wicked indeed. You seem to be afraid to establish anything solid. How do you reconsile this? You say you do not have religion, but you are dragging around the ball and chain of modern religion. Your head is dragging against the ground for your lowliness. Wash it off. Make yourself worthy of authority and Kingdom. It won't come to you unless you show yourself worthy of it.
This is what I have learned. But before you can do these things you must recognize what pride is.
Jesus describes how to live your life as to be seen as worthy in the eyes of God.
One of the things I have learned and likely the most important, is that Love comes through humility. Sin comes through pride.
What were men like Zoroaster and Buddha? What kind of man was John the Baptist? Where did the authority of these men come from? Are you familiar with them? If Jesus is the only judge, and the only man who you seem to think has any authority or power, then why did he say that about the twelve thrones for his desciples? What about the promise for the saints in the book of revs? You will reign on high. Why have you sold yourself short of the kingdom?
I do not know who Zoroaster is so I cannot answer. However, I have found many truths in the teachings of Buddha. When you realize that language is used to describe an event or idea, the teachings of Buddha are not that different that Jesus.
You ask about Thrones and think them to be literal thrones. But I tell you they are symbolic. They symbolize the power of God over all men. There is only one true throne, that which is in heaven.
You seem to not understand the equality to Jesus that Jesus himself offered. You seem to think the path to heaven is by submission. Perhaps at first submission is required, but after that I would expect you to grow strong and wise and give good service to God.
There is a difference between passive and submissive.
Let's see if I can teach this in another way. Tao teaches to be like a tree. Make your feet like roots, your legs like tree trunks, and your arms like branches light enough to be blown in the wind. If you're rooted you cannot be knocked over.
A tree, which can not bend in the wind, will easily break.
A tree is passive. If the tree where submissive, it would always break in the wind.
First of all, heaven isn't a place. You don't get there by travelling. It is a level of awareness and union that takes place in the mind, the spirit. So in order for you to receive it, you need to pursue it like a man hunting. Or a child playing. Either way, you will find it. But you have to GO GET IT. IT WON"T COME TO YOU by wiping the ground with your face.
Heaven is eternal life in the presence of God.
You say you can pursue it like a man hunting or a child playing.
While it is true you can hunt for the truth, the truth is to be found in the words of Jesus.
Mark 10:15 Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
But sometimes humility is necessary, sometimes strength is necessary too, sometimes also a sword is called for. When your Lord calls for a sword, will you run away? Don't render yourself so powerless and weak. It is not suitable for men to become like women.
Humility is always necessary, Strength is always necessary. The word of God is always necessary.
I say it is suitable for all men and women to become like Jesus.
I will give you an example. Little children are kept in the spirit and protection of God usually, right? As you know, the nature of small boys is fairly constant and universal because it is the same Father Spirit in them all. If it were useful for boys to be womanish and weak, submissive and passive. Yet, we do not see that. We see the active, iron principal of man. That is what I worship. There is a place for the passive, and the woman, even as there is a place for the moon in the sky. But it is the Sun that rules. Are you familiar with the sun?
Little children are protected by God because they are not yet strong enough to protect themselves. Children are very important. Have you ever wondered why Honor thy mother and father is before thou shalt not kill?
It is because it is through your parents that you first learn of God. If your parents believe in the God, they will teach you this belief, so honor them, trust what they say. And in order to explain to Children that which is God, you must be able to answer the inevitable questions "Why? How? When? Where?" This is the nature of children. They question without judgment seeking only understanding.
You say it is the Sun that rules. I say to you there are many stars in the night sky, each of them suns of their own systems. But there is only one God, It is God that rules all. Are you familiar with God?
The keys are: I know! I see! I declare!
Raise up your head, humble one.
I worship Christ in Glory, and stand with His warrior children. Didn't you know that some of us would be like this? But perhaps that is just the mansion I enter, and the spirit in which I come. Maybe yours is different. There is room for us both.
Yet He still called for the swords to be brought. Here is mine.
I know: learning about the will of God.
I see: knowing in your heart that God exists.
I declare: Telling others what you know and have learned.
None of this requires Pride, I shall never lift my head before God for it to He my head remains always bowed.