Americans support the killing of innocent people even if they say they dont!

reply to post by RizeorDie
Ohhhhh, I see now. Your from the U.K. That explains a lot. Your still mad about losing the Revolutionary War to a rag bag army. Oh and the protests you claim to have participated in, didn't the government ram that down your throats anyway? I seem to remember reading something about that. Excuse me if I have that wrong.

I honestly cannot believe how you could even think that. It makes me a little sick actually to even read that.
How can you just say American's support the killing of innocent people. Do you have any common sense at all on how the world turns? How friggin' delusional are you?

I think if Americans supported killing innocent people we would toss the rules of war out the window and smash everyone who we didn't like and take the world by force. The Nazi party supported the killing of innocent people and they quite good at it. Imagine if America really wanted people dead... Any first world country with a strong military not following the rules would do a boat load of destruction if the killing of innocents was where it was at.

Realistically most governments have agendas and do things to get them done even if the people don't support them. No one from any country can judge the action of any other country. Every country has had blood on its hands at one point or another.

Personally my opinion about these wars, Saddam was killing his own people by the truck load. Now the American military is killing civilians in the cross fire because hired men are out there inflaming the situation. Same # different day. Were you saying Saddam is a killer of innocents before the war? Were you complaining about the African warlords? The rest of the psycho leaders out there? Saddam's body count was in the millions, the American military has killed thousands. Personally I'd be really happy if the chance of me being murdered in my country for no reason went from 80% to 10-15%. Everyone wants a quick fix.

reply to post by Novatrino


You do realize that threads such as this are specifically designed to quell debate, right? There is nothing you can say to make this cat back off, agree with you or reconsider his position and that's just the way it was planned. It's called America bashing, something quite frequent on this site and your best bet is to simply roll your eyes and continue on with your day.

Of course no right-thinking American wants innocents to be killed, and a good number of us despise the GWB Goosesteppers for unilaterally leading us into conflicts with no clear goal where tragically, thousands of innocent people were killed or wounded (some of us even participated in D.C protests - it was kind of a thing on CNN, don't expect the OP to know about that since it's a MSM outlet and clearly defies his belief in an "Americans Are Evil" religion).

The fact is with people like this, only if you a) participated in massive protests comprising hundreds of thousands if not millions of people covered by a media outlet of his choosing where there was property damage and you have scars from the beatings you received by police and/ or paramilitary forces, b) have stopped paying all taxes, surcharges and fees, live off the grid and are thusly a wanted fugitive by the U.S. government or are in jail or c) have actively partaken in attempted violent uprisings against the tyranny and conspiracy of both the U.S. military industrial complex as well as the purely evil, sacrificing-babies-to-pagan-gods cultists ruling our government who believe in both the power of Wall Street and the eye of Ra, are you not complicit in the killing of children, women, young adults, and puppies the world over - and nothing you say will ever change that.

It's a theme on ATS, just accept it as such and move along...

So by your thinking everyone in most of Western Europe and canada supports the murder of innocents because they allowed their governments to be allied with the U.S

Were is your condemnation for the people of Venezuela, they voted for Chavez and he supports Ghadafi. Thus by your logic they all support murder.

If you think America is the only country doing crappy things you are in for a rude awakening, most if not all are guilty.

The world needs to help the lybian people, "innocent" people are being murdered by a brutal dictator. You don't support miltary actions because of the innocent people will be murdered, but your inactions are also causing innocent people to be murdered. Are you really looking out for the innocent people, or are you just trying to blow you hate America trumpet?

I don't know any Americans who run around asking why the "world" hates them so much. As far as I know, the world is traveling over the border at a quite a clip. There has never been a time in my life that the Leftists of the world and Arab Muslims did not hate the US. I think that might be a compliment.

Jealousy is a very powerful motivator.

If nothing were ever done in Iraq, then the world leading USA would be getting flamed in another thread identical to this one in it's stance, with only the direction of hate differing.

If you are so concerned about what the Americans do, why don't you form a group that will pressure your country into stopping the USA?

The USA has been talked about badly for doing - or not doing - things that are asked to liberate countries (regardless of what your final ideology of situational truth is) and have survived. Surely your people, who by the tone of your OP is every other citizen of Earth and are superior to each and every American, can urge your government/s to intervene and overthrow the corrupt American Government.

Why is the American Military always asked to participate in the most difficult situations on this planet and when things aren't all rosey stones are thrown?

What have you done to rally your country against the tyrannical world rule of the United States of America?

Surely if the WHOLE world sees the USA this way and hates 90% of American citizens, it would not be a hard thing to overthrow the rule of the USA Democracy, thereby liberating the people of America and giving them a chance to be just like you and your fellow countrymen and the rest of the America hating world.

Maybe it is time for the USA to comepletely stop all military and non military efforts outside the United States Borders and time for all the other America hating countries to come together and liberate the citizens of America to your way of thinking.

Just a thought.

Reply to detachedindividual You saidL "When do Americans protest anything other than their political divide?

Have you turned on the TV lately? Have you not seen the protesters in Madison, WI.? They even refused to leave the state capitol building for days. Their screeching voices and signs are everywhere.

And how old are you? Or, have you studied American history? Do you know anything about the Vietnam War and the 60's and 70;s??? Talk about protests!!! It stopped the war!!!

I think you need to rethink your statement that Americans don't protest anything except "political divide."
It is patently false.

But you have a right to believe your disinformation if you wish, and to feed the false stereotypes of Americans.

Are we perfect? Hardly! Do you know any country that is? If so, please post relevant information about it.

If we are so bad, how come people from all over the world are trying to constantly sneak INTO America. We have to put up barriers to keep illegals OUT. You don't find this with any other country in the world. Don't you ever wonder WHY this is so???

reply to post by RizeorDie

You are just as guilty for not single-handedly overthrowing or toppling whatever cheap, dirty, evil regime you are part of as well. Do you pay taxes to your regime/government? Do you support terrorists by not destroying them? Then you are just as guilty as Americans.

Relax. Take a breath. Calm down and think. What you will discover is that the majority of the world's citizens are not for war and death. Yet the majority are not in control ---in ANY country. Can the average Iranian topple the terrorists who run that country? No. Could the average Cambodian stop the violence and bloodshed of the Killing Fields era? No. Could the average Bosnian stop what was set into motion in the 90s? No. Can the average Cuban change their country right now? Probably not. So, unless you can further a change in your own government, don't lecture and accuse and judge anyone else.

Yes, a LOT of change has been made in the middle east lately. But, we have not seen where that will take those countries just yet. It took Americans several years (6 or 7, I think) to elect George Washington as President after the Revolutionary War. We won't know the course of Egypt, Tunisia and the others for years. Will a worse dictator replace the previous one? We just won't know until some time has passed.

If it had not been for America, then everyone else in the world would be speaking either: German, Japanese and/or Russian ---or some freakish combination of the three. We (with fantastic Allies) saved the world from Hitler and Tojo in WWII. We (with fantastic NATO allies) saved the world from communists during the extended Cold War. And now, the thanks we get is hatred because we live pretty stable lives and try to pass on that stability to other parts of the world?

A simple thanks would suffice. If not, then at least don't complain, and just be THANKFUL YOU AREN'T SPEAKING RUSSIAN. *Who* helped the Afghans repel a Russian invasion? Yes, comrade, America.

Yet we get ridiculous hatred like your OP. Really? You are blaming good people because they can't change things like the Cambodians, Bosnians, Iranians and Cubans (et al) couldn't change things? Really? Why don't you begin an intensive study of World History and see that some things, some problems will exist no matter the country, the regime, the leader. Average people do not want war. Some elite FEW seem to continually set the stage for hatred and conflict... and you, by the very words of your original post (OP)... have fallen into their trap. Spread peace and love, not war and hatred.

Cheers.

I haven't read all the replies here but I'll eventually get around to it.

'Americans support the killing of innocents even if they say they don't' is like saying 'Americans hate freedom but are scared to voice it for fear of ridicule.'

I don't know which sounds more ridiculous. Mine or yours.

reply to post by detachedindividual

When the coalition began their war for Oil, Britain protested, in fact much of Europe was on the streets. Where were the American protests?

Hmm. A good example of the ignorance shown by non-Americans. There were (are) plenty of protests in the United States.

My final thought on the issue (as a 24 year veteran of the United States Armed Forces).

I would HAPPILY not deploy overseas anymore. No more trips to Iraq, Saudi, Korea, Germany etc... I would happily stay home.....if we brought home every last troop from around the world. If we closed all our bases overseas. If we told all the other countries that they were SOL when it came to our help, militarily or financial. I do not know how many times I have seen foreigners whine about our presence in their countries and when we start scaling back (spending less money in their towns) they whine that they need the income.

You cannot have both. Either you want our money AND us...or you do not.

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reply to post by RizeorDie


Please elaborate on which Americans support killings and the like? I will agree, many Americans will avoid confrentation and seek the easiest resolution.I am a Christian male American. Unfortunately, many basic moral concepts are lost on the youth, and I'll attribute it to the parents, or lack there of. Rome fell the same way when they deviated from their basic founding principles.

reply to post by RizeorDie


Hi,
Actually anyone who pays Taxes, supports the killing of innocent people. Does not matter which country you reside in, we all pay for the weapons to be built, whether we like it or not. So until our tax dollars stop going towards these projects, we are all to blame. So there is no need to point fingers, when you, yourself are probably paying taxes to. We need to look at ourselves before pointing fingers at others. We are all in it together.

*sratches head*...last I checked, the world has been a pretty violent place for a long time...long before America was stolen. And while smashng us Yanks over the head with mallets of misinformation seems to be the trend, unless all those lovely parliament buildings are smoking holes in the ground....unless you are broadcasting from a bunker because you just blew up a major bank...SHUT ....THE HELL ...UP!.....decades of back door deals, careful planning, orchestrated events, planned assassinations, coverups, intentional flooding with drugs, over medication, media saturation, civil unrest, class wars, race wars, gender wars and your answer is...a flashmob? really? I dont know about european police but ours like body armor and military grade equipment. OUR POLICE....not some group of elite soldiers or special forces but the local districts that are tucked in residential areas. That means the local police department could be well enough equipped to dispatch a crowd of considerable size within minutes. And while images of egyptian soldiers hugging their fellow countrymen in solidarity......I dont see our boys being as touchy feely. Not the way we train them.

Its easy to cry foul over the fact that somewhere there is a full belly and yours is rumbling but dont you dare be so arrogant as to think that all of us are over here swallowing this crap. I will be the first to say ...F**k the government. Politics is an illusion to make people think that they have control of their environment, which incidentally, is one of the universal lies that humans tell themselves to keep from slipping into a depression...that they have more control over their environment than they do. "We The People" didnt apply to everyone in this country even as it was being written.

That you come into a forum such as this....where people come together to often rage against tyranny is such an insult. And not just to Americans. The reason why I come to sites like these is because I know I am being lied to and led astray by those who pretend to be trustworthy. Power corrupts...and unless you live in bizarro world where power enlightens...chances are your leaders are crooks too and theres not a damn thing you can do about it because they arent even the ones who are actually in charge. So go ahead...take to the streets and get all riled up. I think a lot of the psycho cops over here are waiting for something like that so they can beat us over the head publicly rather than in an alley or in front of a nightclub. And dont forget your dynamite...and your maps to all those expensive condos....cause you will probably have a pretty big list of bankers to kill...gonna need more than one gun...we specialize in those though so I think I can help you there and be sure to tell your friends that they have to be ready to kill a lot of people too because this is the only way they will ever stop. And make sure you utilize facebook and Twitter because they are so helpful for these things. Of course....you might wanna duck out the back door after that because Interpol will surely be coming in through the front.

Originally posted by RizeorDie
reply to post by randyvs

 

you're comment only encourages me and i thank you for it.

Your welcome. Meant every word.

I will come to the US any time soon but i swear that I will start work on the project from this moment.

So, you're turning me down?

I have posted earlier how i plan to do this, and i will kick start it here in the UK. with the power of the internet things can happen very fast, i have friends who will help me set up the facebook page and advertise it around very fast.

Can I expect U2U's, or will you be updating your progress on facebook or here or what ? Although I gave my word about being your escort ( just by saying it , cause that's how I roll ) . At the same time I don't want to let you squirm out of this, if that's what you intend to do. Not without conceading that your mouth swallowed your
brain when you posted this thread. Or that you're lying.

I feel that its best that the whole event is started and ran by an american if you know what i mean. for example a yemeni cant start a revolution for the eygptians.

I'm aware of what you're saying without the example.

i'm sure there are a lot of dedicated americans that want in, and i and my friends will help out in every way possible. when things work out i will be amongst the demonstrators in america.

I don't know man. You sound as though you're passing the buck. So you arn't going to take Derby up on his offer ? I don't even know him from Adam. I'm willing to bet he was serious. There was certainly alot of confidence in what he wrote and how he wrote it.

I'll admit. From your corner it would be sketchy, but you have friends here right? So why isn't your brave lil azz on his way over here?

How about this? You have your friends call me here in the U.S. That way, I can relate to everyone here. Not now but right now, that you are not just out trolling on lake ATS and you are not all hot air. In fact you may not be lying. We can settle quite a bit very easily. All you have to do, is say the word. I will U2U my phone No. no problem right? You give up nothing at this time on your end.

You can't refuse a chance to show you're legit. If you do? Then I have proven the above is more than likely the case, to the members of ATS.

reply to post by an0maly33


Yay, an English teacher! Perhaps in the future you could actually contribute to the thread rather than bashing someone else's punctuation? That would be great.! I had no problem understanding what he was saying. You are being petty.

reply to post by RizeorDie


No, you don't understand OP.
It is never THEIR fault.
It's always someone else's.
The alledgedly "saved" us Europeans from Hitler and that's all there is.
We are just little whining babies that can't take matters in our own little hands and thus we always cry to mamma America to so,ve our own problems.
Thus it sipposedly is OUR fault, that's what the majority of dissilusioned, psyoped, unable to comprehend reality, historical illiterate, usefull diots for bringing about an NWO, Americans think.
It's THEIR NWO.
It's THEIR TONS OF FLOATING DIPLOMACY floating around in the 7 seas.
It's their government who's calling the Global shots...

but somehow it's MY OWN fault you see..
IT'S NEVER THEM!
They obviously don't get paid for their dutty in those carriers roaming the Globe, or in those military bases around thr World, or in those Embassies, or in these spy agencies, they are just slaves like in ancient Rome they only work for food and they never have a say on what the Top Dog decides...Got it?
They never bennefit from all that oil EITHER!

Its funny how foreigners judge us just by the cover. They don't know whats underneath the covers. They swear we have a choice on how our Government works...It sickens me because I am a man of peace. All I do is work for my money drink my beers, and smoke my herb. I like to forget about all the violence that goes on. I do not support Government agendas. I dislike the fact that the U.S. brown noses their way into countries to build consulates or military bases. I wish we were not like that, but you know what it's not my choice, but its the people that run us as a Nation....So stop with your hate rhetoric toward the American people...I've said this many times, there are Americans who are like that, but they are way to patriotic for reality. So you say 90%, your wrong its less than half...GTFO with your BS