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Originally posted by charles1952
I'm almost sorry I found this thread. You may not believe me, and that's your right, but my law degree is from the University of Wisconsin, Madison. I have many years of federal law enforcement experience and have provided personal opinions on prosecution to the US Attorney in Milwaukee on several occasions.
It is possible that you might win a low level case using these tactics if the staff decides they don't care or can't be bothered. You may be just be dismissed as a harmless nut and allowed to avoid a fine. (The odds of this happening are incredibly small, but I suppose it is conceivable.)
But please, and I can't stress this enough, at least talk to an attorney about your situation before you do anything. Many attorneys will take a few cases each year pro bono (free). Many will give you a half hour of free consultation. Lots of them have fees based in part on your income. Your State Bar Association will help you find a lawyer that practises in the area you're having a problem with.
I recall a case where a man attempted to defraud the government out of some tax money. The person was clearly repentant, afraid, and was willing to make restitution. I recommended probation. Another fellow with a bad attitude led me to suggest to the US Attorney that the sentence had to be stricter to show the man the seriousness of committing crimes and mocking the law.
Again, if your case is about anything bigger than a few dollars and you're in the US, please don't try the techniques described here.edit on 9-3-2011 by charles1952 because: Clarification
Originally posted by Blaine91555
If you know more than the Courts, how is it you do not know that an "Enacting Clause" can simply be identifying the Legislature who passed the Law?
You do know the Legislature has the Authority, under predefined circumstances, to change the Law or even Amend a Constitution? Whatever they determine the Law is, the Law is.
If the State stepped in on behalf of an injured Party it usually means there is a pattern of whatever behavior caused the Suit. Since you are withholding any real information, you're just trying to get people to agree with you and not trying to find the truth. I actually had a talk with an AG about a problem I had with a bad company and he told me, before the State can represent you we have to have enough similar complaints to show a pattern, then we can represent you.
I had the misfortune of meeting some of the Freemen in Montana. All of them were also in the Aryan Nation as well. They hammered me with video's and books I watched, read and discounted as crap. They would not stop bothering me. I was glad when I finished my job and went back home. I'm to polite for my own good at times.
They bragged to me openly about their criminal activities which included things like fake Land Deeds, tricking Banks into Loans with lies and not only not making any payments, but refusing to leave. Before it was over a couple of them I met went to prison. They even printed fake money and made themselves welcome to other peoples land.
The most disgusting bunch of people I've ever met in fact. Two of them came in one day bragging to me about all the Elk they Poach. They told me they take the heads to Denver once a year to an auction and sell them to rich folk to pretend they got them hunting. Showed me a Trophy Rack in their truck and it was not season yet. They apparently would wait until the season opened, get a tag and then use that tag so they could transport and sell what they poached. If what they shot was not Trophy class they left it lay.
It's hard for me to describe adequately just how sleazy these clowns were. I saw two of them on CNN a couple of years later on a story about their arrest.
Your real problem is the Legislatures of both the Federal Government and the State Governments have the power to author Laws. From that moment forward it is the Law. Period end of subject. The Freemen crap will get you locked up and it IS NOT TRUE, that is why you only see criminals attempting to use it.
You can't get out of a crime, Civil or Criminal by using the insane defense of Common or Admiralty Law. It's terrible naive to even try and of course they get angry at you. You walk in and start spouting nonsense from a criminal organization as facts and tell them how to do their jobs, how would you react?
Good luck, you have already lost. You can't fight the system through legal nonsense spewed by criminal organizations but you can learn to use it and live under it. Civil means you did harm to somebody, somehow. You can't be proud of it or you would give details. If it was nothing, you would be open about it.
Most people go through there whole lives, never being arrested or bothered. Those who have constant run-in's with the Law are always guilty in my experience. Even me when I was young and dumb. I grew up and a Mentor taught me to use the system as intended and it works.
If you know more than the Courts, how is it you do not know that an "Enacting Clause" can simply be identifying the Legislature who passed the Law?
If the State stepped in on behalf of an injured Party it usually means there is a pattern of whatever behavior caused the Suit. Since you are withholding any real information, you're just trying to get people to agree with you and not trying to find the truth. I actually had a talk with an AG about a problem I had with a bad company and he told me, before the State can represent you we have to have enough similar complaints to show a pattern, then we can represent you.
Your real problem is the Legislatures of both the Federal Government and the State Governments have the power to author Laws. From that moment forward it is the Law. Period end of subject. The Freemen crap will get you locked up and it IS NOT TRUE, that is why you only see criminals attempting to use it.
You can't get out of a crime, Civil or Criminal by using the insane defense of Common or Admiralty Law. It's terrible naive to even try and of course they get angry at you. You walk in and start spouting nonsense from a criminal organization as facts and tell them how to do their jobs, how would you react?
Good luck, you have already lost. You can't fight the system through legal nonsense spewed by criminal organizations but you can learn to use it and live under it. Civil means you did harm to somebody, somehow. You can't be proud of it or you would give details. If it was nothing, you would be open about it.
Most people go through there whole lives, never being arrested or bothered. Those who have constant run-in's with the Law are always guilty in my experience. Even me when I was young and dumb. I grew up and a Mentor taught me to use the system as intended and it works.
Originally posted by Hefficide
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Other domestic terror threats:
- Sovereign citizens movement
~Heff
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by greenovni
I urge you to get a real lawyer before you further screw things up for yourself. It doesn't matter whether you recognize the court's authority or think you've found a loophole in the statute they are enforcing.
GUELPH — A city man whose initial court proceedings were videotaped and uploaded on YouTube has 15 days to pay a $260 fine.
Keith Thompson failed to show in Guelph’s provincial offences court Thursday but his trial proceeded in his absence. The court found him guilty of two offences of illegally parking a car outside a driveway or a legal off-street parking area.
On each offence, Thompson was fined $130.
Originally posted by Wrong
Originally posted by daddio
Originally posted by Wrong
May I ask where you got your law degree? Or are you an armchair lawyer? Sounds like the OP doesn' t know what he's doing when he goes into a court in the US asking if it is Common Law, Admirality, or a Court of Contract. I see someone mad that they're being acted against by the State. Common Law, then, doesn't mean you can play around in the Courtroom. Leave the law and its interpretation to the lawyers.
"Leave the law and its interpretation to the lawyers" is what has gotten us in so much dookie now. Any time you leave responsibility to someone else, you leave yourself to their mercy for abuse.
Originally posted by Josephus23
reply to post by greenovni
Great actions!! But you made one mistake.
As you enter the courtroom for your arraignment, do not state ANYTHING except that you would like a court reporter present if one is not present.
Do not admit your straw man name, hell, keep TOTALLY SILENT until a court reporter is present.
IT IS YOUR RIGHT!!!!
WAIT UNTIL a court reporter is present and THEN ask the JUDGE to tell you in what type of courtroom you are being charged.
This will go into public record and the last thing that the judges want is the populace to know that our courtrooms are courts of Admiralty Law, and if the entire exchange is on the court record then they are essentially putting themselves in a catch 22 by answering the question.
If they state that it is a courtroom of statutory law then they are in violation of the US Constitution. They are LYING!!!!
They will have no choice but to drop the case or admit that the courtroom is an Admiralty Courtroom.
If they give you any crap, then recite the due process clause of the 14th Amendment and then repeat to the judge the three types of courts that are allowable, by law, according to the US Constitution.
Common Law, Civil Law, and Admiralty Law.
But the key to this entire thing is that a court reporter MUST be present for this to go on the official record.
S & F!!!
Originally posted by Rastus3663
Do some research at the law library; sounds like you could try filing a pre-trail motion with the court for dismissal on the basis of your argument.
Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by greenovni
I urge you to get a real lawyer before you further screw things up for yourself. It doesn't matter whether you recognize the court's authority or think you've found a loophole in the statute they are enforcing.
During my twelve years service as a Judge, I always insisted on the truth and placed justice above law and order. I could have prepared this article indicia of a research paper; however, people tend to lose interest when articles of this nature become too technical. Science has taught us that “For every action there is a positive reaction.” If your life on earth resembles a Matrix, it is because you’re seeing things for the first time, with eyes wide open, but you feel confused! That feeling of confusion is appropriate because the information you are now digesting, contradicts much of the information you have been spoon fed throughout your life! I named this paper after the movie “The Matrix” written by the Wachowski brothers. After reading this, watch the movie and you will notice many similarities.
Under our corporate governments, no Sovereign can lawfully be tried or convicted of any statutory crime. I recently discovered how to avoid prosecution under the Trust when a Sovereign is taken before a corporate prosecuting attorney or a judge:
First: “the Sovereign must inquire if we are on the record, and if not, insist upon it! Say nothing, sign nothing and answer no questions until you are convinced that the proceedings are being recorded!”
Secondly: all a Sovereign has to say for the record is: “I am a beneficiary of the Trust, and I am appointing you as my Trustee.”
Thirdly: the Sovereign then directs his Trustee to do his bidding! “As my Trustee, I want you to discharge this matter I am accused of and eliminate the record.”
Fourthly: if the Sovereign suffered any damages as a result of his arrest, he can direct that the Trust compensate him from the proceeds of the Court by saying; “I wish to be compensated for [X] dollars, in redemption.”
This statement is sufficient to remove the authority and jurisdiction from any prosecuting attorney or judge. The accused will be immediately released from custody with a check, license or claim he identifies as a damage. It doesn’t matter what the action involves or how it is classified by the corporate law as a civil or criminal action. It works every time! All of the Codes, Statutes and Regulations throughout the United States are a Will from the Masters to their Slaves. A Will is defined as, “An express command used in a dispositive nature.” When individuals in America are charged with a crime and warehoused in a jail, it is because they went against the Will of the Masters and not because they harmed another person. Remember that: The Will demands from us all that we are; keeps us in check; and promises us nothing!
"With regard particularly to the U.S. Constitution, it is elementary that a Right secured or
protected by that document cannot be overthrown or impaired by any state policeauthority." --Connolly vs. Union Sewer Pipe Co.184 US 540
"The claim & exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime."
-- Miller vs. U.S., F486, 489