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I started with the premises that there were explosives planted, and that the bad guys who planted them were either competent or incompetent. There is no way for the explosives to be planted undetected, go off without a problem, or be missed by the bomb-sniffing dogs and forensic experts who saw the debris pile.
IM, demo charges are extremely loud, and extremely powerful. Remember,
they have to cut steel instantly
At the minimum, they would be loud enough to cause hearing damage on the ground outside the Towers,
The firefighters and police you misquote would exhibit signs of barotrauma.
The people who were inside the towers would also have signs of that trauma.
And Truthers claim that thousands of these explosives detonated in less than a minute without any pressure wave, unlike the windows shattered for blocks around by the Oklahoma City bomb, which would've been smaller, along with people bleeding from the ears.
Remember, things explode in fires. Take your average tin of baked beans, pop it in a hypothetical oven, and heat it up. It'll probably explode. If you don't want to risk your kitchen, call your local fire department and ask them if things can explode in fires without actually being explosives. When they tell you "yes", call another department. Call every one you can afford, and they'll tell you that explosions in fires are not necessarily indicative of fires.
Then call a demo company and ask them if people can be hurt or killed if they are feet from thousands of detonating charges, even if it's not pointed at them. They'll tell you yes. Call another company. As many as you can afford.
This is not some sort of "excuse". I want you to actively go and gather facts from the people who would know about these things
Originally posted by ElBraapo
I'm not trying to be insulting, but this 911 stuff drives me a little bit crazy. You don't have to be a wizard to know what brought down the buildings.. Dude, it was a couple of huge jets, loaded to the gills with jet fuel. Sometimes, there is no conspiracy. The truth is right there, like it or not. Some crazed extremists carried out their very well thought out plot and destruction ensued. IMO.edit on 8-3-2011 by ElBraapo because: content
Originally posted by Varemia
Originally posted by bluesman1955
reply to post by GoodOlDave
Three Buildings Collapsed In Their Own Footprint. Have You Ever Seen Controlled Demolition Of Huge Buildings ?
It Takes Months Of Planning To Bring Down One Building In It's Own Footprint Without Damaging The Surrounding Buildings.You Must Know The Stress Points.The Exact Placement Of The Explosives.There Are Many Factors Involved In Demelotion And That Doesnt Always Go As Planned Even After Months Of Planning.
So We Have Three Buildings Come Down In Their Footprint.
WOW Those Guys With The TWO Planes Did An Amazing Feat And An Awful One Also.
Just Using Jet Fuel.
Also It Is Unbelieveable That They Could Bring Down Building 7 Without Even Touching It.
Talk About Weirdness.
*cough* *cough* Towers hit unlike any other skyscraper *cough* *cough* damage was never seen before, caused unexpected results.
*cough* WTC 7 was hit was debris and burned for 7 hours *cough* le *cough!*
Honestly, I've been trying to ignore 9/11 threads, but come on! You're just spouting the same rhetoric that has no sense behind it! Think before you type, and I'll be off again before the Truthers come to attempt to burn me at the stake for being a blasphemer and heretic to the cause. I will not be silenced! *runs*
Originally posted by impressme
reply to post by wmd_2008
Source please? Anyone can conjure a graph.
Is there a reason you left out the source? Perhaps it is from one of those debunking websites that support the OS and ridicules all theories.
edit on 17-6-2011 by impressme because: (no reason given)
The test results show that carbon steel begins to lose strength at temperatures above 300°C and reduces in strength at a steady rate up to 800°C.
Now do you think I would post some info that I could not verify its mainly people with NO construction experience that use dubious sites, you know the kind of site that claims BS like, steel was tested to 2500 degrees for x amount of hours! did you NOT THINK of checking the claim before posting it and making yourself look stupid I prefer to look at the academic sites or manufacturers sites for my info when possible.
So have a good dig through this fill your boots with some REAL KNOWLEDGE!
Lets see you WANTED proof re the 2500 degree quote gave you proof FROM A STEEL MANUFACTURER and what did you come back with exactly, lets see, ah what some firemen think well mate when I left school 30+ years ago my first job was in the DESIGN/DRAWING OFFFICE of guess what a Structural Steelwork company !
You questioned my graph I gave you proof, what do you hit back with NOTHING! because you CANT!
THE TRUTH HURTS MATE!!!