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Originally posted by apacheman
Wow, I didn't realize the Christian God was anti-union.
Seems like that's a bit contradictory to me...
Originally posted by Key-Minder
reply to post by Liquesence
Here's a God-less man who recently STABBED a football player.
"A Lombard man who spent time in prison for attempted murder was held on $250,000 bail Monday after being charged with stabbing a North Central College football player working at a Naperville bar early Sunday."
articles.chicagotribune.com... ootball
Seems Jesus Christ and a little "love one another and humbleness" instilled in his belief system may have prevented this no?
Originally posted by freedish
This nation was founded under GOD.
The first pilgrims came here seeking freedom from religious persecution.
The framers were all hardcore Christians. IT is pretty clear in the declaration of independence that we get our rights from GOD, and NOT man or a king.
Read up on Georgia Washington, he had a very close relationship with God.
If you don't know Jesus yet, ask Him to come in to your life.
Originally posted by centurion1211
I can see why that might bother you.
Still kind of a stretch to equate your personal experience with the governor of Wisconsin.
Originally posted by Key-Minder
reply to post by Liquesence
No, you and some others may be losing it, but not everyone is.
I will provide you with a few examples, out of the many, of people who do not have God in their lives who are losing it and of people who's lives were saved because they invoked God and are obviously "gaining it" instead of losing it.
Originally posted by centurion1211
reply to post by maybereal11
So ...
Which of your "research items" when compared to current and past elected officials disqualifies Walker to be governor?
Roman Catholic bishops came out on the side of the unions, urging the governor to protect worker's rights. Many mainline pastors, including Lutherans, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Methodists, Congregationalists, and American Baptists have written letters, issued statements, and preached sermons supporting labor, unions, and collective bargaining. In Madison, interfaith prayers and proclamations have upheld and encouraged the teachers, police, firefighters, and other public employees in their resistance to the governor's plan to break their union.
This is an impressive religious group by any standards--particularly so in Wisconsin where traditional faith still plays an important role in the life of a large number of its citizens. Wisconsin is almost evenly split between the three largest American religious groups: 29% are Roman Catholics; 24% are evangelical Protestants; and 23% are mainline Protestants.
Yet none of these prayers or sermons has swayed Scott Walker. He has steadfastly stayed on his original course, unfazed by the full weight of Roman Catholic authority or the mainline social justice tradition pressing upon him and urging him toward compromise and change.
Scott Walker is neither Roman Catholic nor a mainline churchgoer. The son of a Baptist pastor, born in Colorado Springs, the heartland of the Religious Right, Walker is a member of Meadowbrook Church in Wauwatosa, a non-denominational evangelical church.
Meadowbrook's statement of faith, a fairly typical boilerplate of conservative evangelical theology, includes beliefs in biblical inerrancy, sin, exclusive salvation through Christ, and eternal damnation.
....
His spiritual universe is that of 20th century fundamentalism, in its softer evangelical form, a vision that emphasizes "me and Jesus" and personal salvation.
This is the same sort of evangelical spirituality that shaped George W. Bush--and led to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Once you know God's direction, no change is allowed. Doubt opens the door to failure. Obeying Christ's plan is the only option. In this theological universe, hard-headedness is a virtue, compromise is the work of the Devil, and anything that works to accomplish God's plan is considered ethically justifiable.
In other words, the Catholic bishops and mainline pastors--as well as the Quakers, Jews, Buddhists, and others--who have been trying to convince the governor to shift course are pretty well preaching in the wind. Other than David Koch (fake or otherwise), Walker is listening to One Person and One Person only: Jesus speaking directly to him. God, evidently, has directed him on his current path. Scott's just trusting and obeying. He bears no responsibility other than that.
Unlike the Roman Catholics and traditional Protestants who have spoken on behalf of the laborers, Walker has no spiritual "check" on him, no authority other than the ones he hears in his own head, and no moral culpability in this situation. He's the good Christian soldier, just following God's lead.
And this is why Scott Walker's religion is actually dangerous in the public square. Because it lacks the ability to compromise, it is profoundly anti-democratic.
Republicans in the Wisconsin Senate voted Wednesday night to strip nearly all collective bargaining rights from public workers after discovering a way to bypass the chamber's missing Democrats.
All 14 Senate Democrats fled to Illinois nearly three weeks ago, preventing the chamber from having enough members present to consider Gov. Scott Walker's so-called "budget repair bill" - a proposal introduced to plug a $137 million budget shortfall.
The Senate requires a quorum to take up any measures that spend money. But Republicans on Wednesday split from the legislation the proposal to curtail union rights, which spends no money, and a special conference committee of state lawmakers approved the bill a short time later.
Originally posted by Alxandro
Well, if he's doing what he feels and knows is right, and if this is coming from his heart, who the hell are we to even question?
Desperate times call for desperate measures.
Originally posted by desert
God Walker has spoken. His power and authority reign supreme, all must submit or be punished. He must feel full of himself now for doing God's will in Wisconsin.
Originally posted by Cuervo
The last time I checked, there is nothing wrong with somebody in public office to practice his or her faith. The problem I see here is that it appears as if he is trying to gain a certain demographic's support by making sure people know it.
What I find more disturbing is the double-standard I see from both the left and the right on this
Originally posted by centurion1211
Originally posted by Cuervo
The last time I checked, there is nothing wrong with somebody in public office to practice his or her faith. The problem I see here is that it appears as if he is trying to gain a certain demographic's support by making sure people know it.
What I find more disturbing is the double-standard I see from both the left and the right on this
So, you are saying you object to political pandering?
You can't like the democrats at all then - unless it's just OK whne they do it ...
Originally posted by Cuervo
What I find more disturbing is the double-standard I see from both the left and the right on this. For example, conservatives here defend him yet chastise Muslims for practicing their religion and the liberals on here chastise him for practicing his religion yet will defend any non-Christian person of faith. Just an observation.
Originally posted by Sinnthia
Originally posted by Cuervo
What I find more disturbing is the double-standard I see from both the left and the right on this. For example, conservatives here defend him yet chastise Muslims for practicing their religion and the liberals on here chastise him for practicing his religion yet will defend any non-Christian person of faith. Just an observation.
Do you perhaps have examples of Liberals defending any religious person of any faith for infusing their religion into politics?
I am considered pretty liberal around these parts and I would feel the same way if Walker were saying he got his orders from Allah, Zeus, or a lampshade as I do about what he did say.