reply to post by Tayesin
Firstly, signing up recently makes you a Newbie, even if you were reading the site in 2011. Second, I keep reading you saying 2012 is all garbage.. my
own words coz I am too lazy to go back to get quotes.. and in doing so you have labelled people with various derogatory terms.. which is what a lot of
Newbies do until their Manners start to work for them.
Firstly, if you were reading this site 10 years ago, then you were here before I was congratulations. That is absolutely irrelevant. I have no idea
whatsoever how that relates to this debate. Because you think you have better insight because (you believe) that you were here earlier than me, just
shows that you rely on superficial means to get your message across.
Do you want to know why I call people out on bad information? Because this site and thousands of others are perpetuating bogus claims. They are not
even looking for logical theories anymore, just ones that gain followings. And trust me, I can see the sycophantic, cult like dogma forming. Maybe it
is the state of the world right now, but it dilutes all GOOD information that is really out there for us to find. The more crap info, the more crap
you have to wade through.
I don't even understand this train of thought you are having = irrelevant.
You have claimed the entire 2012 scenario is wrong, so you need to offer some sort of proofs for that assertion.
Jesus Christ is the son of god and he flew up to heaven (his corporeal form) after being hung on the cross. And Moses parted the Red Sea and Noah
built an ark with 2 of every animal.
Prove to me that is not wrong.
What I see, and have been observing for a lot of years is the steady increase in earthquakes and other natural disasters as we pass each decade. Now I
know some people can pull out charts to show this is wrong, and others can pull out charts to show that it is correct.. we've seen them all here.
So since you have made a conclusion on that "information", please post your charts and explain why you think they are more valid than the others
that contradict your theory. (Remember, I don't make any extraordinary claims about 2012, you do)
The only claims I have made is that the idea has been portrayed, like many others, as a scenario that will sell books, DVD's and other things. I have
also shown how people use doomsday scenarios to manipulate people. My proof lies in human weakness and the people who exploit it. I have offered proof
to my theory that 2012 is bunk. Now show me yours.
I've observed the growing madness in humanity as it also builds up.. and was building up well before anyone began to speak about 2012.
There was no similar madness during the Spanish Inquisition? There was none during WWI and WWII?
I've observed the Spiritual Growth that is happening, although with far too few people at the moment. I've digested information from a variety of
ancient and modern sources that shows major change is happening now
You have only been alive for one generation, you do not know the "spiritual attitudes" of the past 5,000 years. Not everything makes it into the
What this leads me to is an understanding much like the Hopi people's that the Earth has its own massive cycles and every so often some planetary
alignments indicate where we are in that cycle.. as happened in 1998 according to the Hopi.
Jack climbed up a beanstalk and killed the giant.
What is happening... all things at the same time. Spiritual Growth is happening, Earth's natural disasters on the rise is happening, the madness in
humans is growing,
This proof is in your head, otherwise you would have data to support this "belief".
If major earth changes do not occur over the next 2 years, then humanity is in for one horrific downhill ride into something akin to Hell.. with no
Based on your emotional feelings on the matter? It doesn't take a genius to figure out the world has issues. However, you cannot credit a change in
public policy or the public in general as "spiritual enlightenment" it is cause and effect. If people make a free will choice to change the world
they live in, it is their choice. And it surprises me not in the least that religious people would usurp peoples' free will action.
I do see a long term build-up leading to some sort of Climactic period that will have major effects on how humans live on this world...
These changes could happen in 2025, would you still credit 2012 for them?
So there is not an either OR scenario being played out..
Exactly, it's a blind faith, new wave religion, rife with all the dogma of all the others.
I've come to the conclusion that there are three type of 2012 believers, 1. Nibiru and the Annunaki, 2. Doomsday and 3. New wave spiritual quest.
Basically you are telling me you are of the third. While that is fine and dandy, the third group should move their discussion towards religion, it is
a forum I dare not enter because I simple don't like unsupported "facts".
As far as the other two, there is no evidence supporting either of them. I tried to give the spirituality side of this a fair go but it is obvious it
is a religious quest, that's not my deal. Good luck with your spirit.
*note: Since this is a religion, or quasi religion, I will try and phase myself out of the 2012 threads that deal with it as such. Everyone is
entitled to their own spiritual beliefs. I misunderstood because people were portraying it as though it were fact. I understand now it is just a