Where to start? hmm. alright target acquired and preparing for launch. The FACTs of the matter are simple. We KNOW nothing. Everything from our idea of scientific laws to the words of a fictitious best seller all hold the same credibility. Why is this? Oh he must insane. blah blah, read some Wittgenstein and open the brain a little.

Reality. Relativity. They are the same. Far too few people look into their "truths" due to it being what is relevant to them.

Our brain works kind of like a computer. Information is data, and with only one source of input, the output can not be different. I mean, really how do we know anything we know at all? Research shall be the answer. What is necessary in order to do research? Thought, in turn shows itself to be the key. Where does thought originate from? Perception initiates thought. What do we perceive? We perceive that which is in our surroundings, otherwise know as what is relative to us. Please note that surroundings does not necessarily mean your desk chair, bedroom, office, home, but it does include.

We are guilty of lies. Every single scientific law or cannon, razor, ect is false. This is because it is based on thought, so therefore it is not a law, it is how we perceive the event or information. Sure, some things are more plausible than others, but to claim to know anything to an absolute is ignorant.

"Oh but your wrong, for i can duplicate my results over and over again so it must be truth!" ...No, simply no. All you can duplicate is the output of an idea based on the same set of inputs.

How does this all relate to the thread? Easy. Some are calling for others to not use certain input sources. Sure you have a right to ask this, and if questioned it will be defended by others or even by myself. The people willing to step out and explore these new inputs have the right to do this as well and once again will be defended.

2012 is not relevant to our society (although it seems to want to be), but it sure was to many ancient cultures. So once again our relativity train begins. Who's on board? Destination: Truth. Layovers: Fiction, Laws, Life, Sacred texts, Ancient relics, misguided relevance, and a whole area full of bull# (on both sides).

Why should we limit our power to think and be free, because someone else lets themselves or someone in their care become falsely scared. Scared of what? thought? Death? Pain? Horror? Joy? Bliss? Relevant truths? ALL of these things will happen, one way or another. Too limit your life and let other control it is why we are having this debate at all, and let me just say that to let others delegate how you think, is more than just wrong. It goes against human rights, which is really what the Constitution is based on.



Edit in PS: Side note, is it not possible that the reason Y2k was blown up so big is so that people would dismiss the important discusion in the future? Who hyped it up? mostly MSM, who is controlled by whom? Answer that, think about it, and share your answers with yourself.

I've been saying this 2012 crap is bad for months. No one listens.

IMO,

People who live in fear of the end (whether its 2012 or beyond) are not really living. If the parents of the children cannot take time to educate them on the possibilities then its the parents fault if the child becomes depressed or suicidal.

Is 2012 the end of the world as we know it? I REALLY hope so, I hate the world as it now stands with the elite taking every penny from the lower classes and waging wars without any premises. And since I do not live with the fear of death (or fear of reprimand upon death for a life for a "sinful" life) I don't find myself being scared at all. Whether 2012 is an ascension, and end of everything or a nothing moment, I am not going to sit here in a corner and cower.

But I also do not (nor would my child [I'd ask her but she is only 18 months]) believe the 2012 doomsday scenario, mass extinction, ect. ect. I think that anyone with the right amount of understanding of the stories of the ancient civilizations would understand by now that people will survive, earth will survive. Fresh start for our planet (poor planet needs to be rid of our parasitic nature for the sake of monetary gain). But change NEVER comes easily, there needs to be a tipping point. 2012 is Earth Restart. Let's see what happens.

BTW, I would much rather my family be prepared for ANY circumstance rather than be caught up in the mass hysteria that would occur if TSHTF. I don't live anywhere near the ocean, but its a good idea to have a plan in case of a flood. I don't live near any volcanoes/fault lines but my family needs to be prepared for such events to occur. What's the harm?

Think back to the Cuban missle crisis or the cold war, every child in America was terrified of being nuked.
Scientits say that the sun will burn up and devour our planet.
Scientists say that a comet or astroid can hit us at any moment.
Scientists also say that "the big one" is coming in Ca, all just a matter of when, not if.
None of these things caused mass panic in the streets. People still went about their daily lives, just like they are now.
Now according to the OP, all these things were just fearmongering and they should have been stopped from spouting such lies.
The Mayans, along with many others, are not predicting the end of the world, only a significant change. Ummm...
if I'm not mistaken, it's happening right in front of our eyes. I'm sure I don't need to point these things out because you'd have to live in a hole not to notice.
Fact of life: We could all die at any moment.
If there are kids out there worrying about this, it's up to the parents to comfort them and educate them. Kids should be more worried about getting good grades, not watching you tube.

ive read a lot about ALL the things that have to do with 2012, i dont belive most of them, wonder about the rest

what has happened is i have stocked up on food, survival gear,weapons and ammo and thought about what i would do when TSHTF

its not fear, its knowing im prepared, i live in losangeles, and also i live near a major fault line, they have been telling us for 20 years its over due to move, so whats wrong with being prepared???


everybody should be prepared for a major disaster, if it dont come, then good but if it does, your ready!!!



be safe people

I Agreed with the OP. THIS IN NOT FUNNY ANYMORE,this kind of rumors can affect the most vulnerable mindsets.Is just a rumor brcause somebody think that the MAYA DIALECT can be translate easily and effectively,this language or dialect,is one of the most intricate to translate because all they use are ideograms,and the sounds to interpret are just unknown.BUT like in any case some genious thought that it should work the same way AS THE EGYPTIANS ,but is not the case. IM afraid that thanks to mistakes people start acting crazy,REMEMBER GUYANA????AND THE PASTOR JIM JONES??

well we don't have much longer until we find out what is nonsense and
what is true ! 2012 is right around the corner! something is not right
can't you feel it ? birds dying , fish dying, today in california as a matter of fact! millions! unexplained , earthquakes everywhere more frequent and higher in magnitude! strange weather ! snowing in spring! how many state of emergency's have been declared this year so far? things are getting progressively worse ! the sun is getting more active, volcano activity increasing! all of this since january ,can you imagine the state of the world in 2012 ? people
saying nothing will happen it is ALREADY happening all around us!
doom in 2012 doesnot have to come from nibiru ! if this trend so far
this year continues ... i would hate to see the state of the world in 2012. ok i'm done.

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
2012 is about CHANGE, PERIOD. What is that change?

It is? Says who?

Originally posted by SonOfTheLawOfOne
What they predicted for 2012 was major changes, and with them, some will be impacted negatively while others are positively.

Who is they?

Where was this predicted?

Originally posted by truthseeker1984



While the science on this topic is sketchy at best, b
-truthseeker

Astrophysics is not a sketchy science. Using astrophysics one can compute the location of any given celestial body at any point in the past, present, or future. That being said it is impossible that some sort of extra solar planet can careen through our solar system based upon the calculated orbits of the planets. There is simply no way that a celestial body could swing through or solar system.

As for the other ideas about 2012 all I can say is research them and the actual core facts about them. The core facts of astrophysics rule out any sort of "Niburu" type event and I would venture to say there are core facts to help dispel the majority of the 2012 postulations.