The 2012 Phenomenon (and why it is so VERY dangerous to perpetuate this nonsense...)

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posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Neither of you should waste any more of your time or mine by replying to me.

reply to post by JibbyJedi
 
Your argument ends with a statement containing the word "reality" along with a pusher of the belief of lizard people. Sorry, but in my reality, lizard people are not in control of the world.

reply to post by Silencer 2012
 
As for you, I will not even attempt to decipher the riddle, which is possibly buried within that wall of words.

Have a good day. See ya in a few years.




posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent



So the next time you think about creating a new thread on this topic, perhaps think again. Think about who might be reading it and the effect it could have on them. Especially in light of all the recent "LOOK...NIBIRU!!!!!" threads.
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If you have such a problem with the whole 2012 thing, the last thing you should be doing, is posting in the 2012 forum.

Stay clear off it. You do realize this forum is here to openly discuss 2012?

The problem lies with you, the solution is very simple.

Don´t let the door hit you...



"You do realise this forum is here to openly discuss 2012" - ermmmmm...isn't that exactly what the OP is doing? Just because he isn't a believer, doesn't mean he isn't entitled to express his opinion.

He makes a very valid point and what he's saying is spot on. I got hold of a Nostradamus book when I was 12, Nostradamus was "all the rage" at the time and there was a prediction that the "end times" were supposedly coming in the month of the total solar eclipse, or around that time if I remember rightly. I remember watching a documentary about his predictions - a load of over-dramatised, overhyped bollocks, which, as a child - scared the absolute bejeeesus out of me.

It really, really bothered me and had me in a constant state of anxiety and panic. I couldn't sleep at night. My imagination went into overdrive. I was utterly convinced that the end was coming and that I would never live to be an adult. Thankfully I did, and as a mother now myself, I'd be devastated and pretty fecked off if my son believed any of this fearmongering crap and didn't enjoy his childhood years like he should.

It's nothing to do with "shutting down the internet". Kids are hearing this stuff in the playground. There's even a film for god's sakes! There's not really any way they can avoid knowing about any of it.

If it weren't for half the paranoid, delusional, attention seeking idiots who haven't got a clue what they're banging on about, it would never have become so over-hyped in the first place. So I agree, people should think before they spout crap out of their bumholes.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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"You do realise this forum is here to openly discuss 2012" - ermmmmm...isn't that exactly what the OP is doing? Just because he isn't a believer, doesn't mean he isn't entitled to express his opinion.
reply to post by KatieVA
 


Right, the ending statements off his post,



So the next time you think about creating a new thread on this topic, perhaps think again. Think about who might be reading it and the effect it could have on them. Especially in light of all the recent "LOOK...NIBIRU!!!!!" threads.


Yep, he is definately promoting an open discussion.





It really, really bothered me and had me in a constant state of anxiety and panic. I couldn't sleep at night. My imagination went into overdrive. I was utterly convinced that the end was coming and that I would never live to be an adult. Thankfully I did, and as a mother now myself, I'd be devastated and pretty fecked off if my son believed any of this fearmongering crap and didn't enjoy his childhood years like he should.


I´m sorry you went through that, but people, and teens especially can have anxiety disorders for whatever reasons, it´s not the fault off the documentary.




a load of over-dramatised, overhyped bollocks, which, as a child - scared the absolute bejeeesus out of me.


What ya gonna do, tough world. If you´re sensitive to this stuff, don´t go looking for it.




It's nothing to do with "shutting down the internet". Kids are hearing this stuff in the playground. There's even a film for god's sakes! There's not really any way they can avoid knowing about any of it.


It was sarcasm. Kids have to deal with a lot of stuff on the playground, and there are enough other disturbing things going on that may or may not affect your children.

You need to let it go. You can´t puit up a supershield, deal with it.

Freedom of speach, this is a forum for the 2012 theory, what do people expect? Jeez. If you don´t believe in stuff, every post seems ridiculous.

Then what are you doing here?



If it weren't for half the paranoid, delusional, attention seeking idiots who haven't got a clue what they're banging on about, it would never have become so over-hyped in the first place. So I agree, people should think before they spout crap out of their bumholes.


Judging from your post you still have some unresolved issues yourself, haven´t we all? I´d say take your own medicine. sis.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 11:43 AM
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Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent



"You do realise this forum is here to openly discuss 2012" - ermmmmm...isn't that exactly what the OP is doing? Just because he isn't a believer, doesn't mean he isn't entitled to express his opinion.
reply to post by KatieVA
 


Right, the ending statements off his post,



So the next time you think about creating a new thread on this topic, perhaps think again. Think about who might be reading it and the effect it could have on them. Especially in light of all the recent "LOOK...NIBIRU!!!!!" threads.


Yep, he is definately promoting an open discussion.





It really, really bothered me and had me in a constant state of anxiety and panic. I couldn't sleep at night. My imagination went into overdrive. I was utterly convinced that the end was coming and that I would never live to be an adult. Thankfully I did, and as a mother now myself, I'd be devastated and pretty fecked off if my son believed any of this fearmongering crap and didn't enjoy his childhood years like he should.


I´m sorry you went through that, but people, and teens especially can have anxiety disorders for whatever reasons, it´s not the fault off the documentary.




a load of over-dramatised, overhyped bollocks, which, as a child - scared the absolute bejeeesus out of me.


What ya gonna do, tough world. If you´re sensitive to this stuff, don´t go looking for it.




It's nothing to do with "shutting down the internet". Kids are hearing this stuff in the playground. There's even a film for god's sakes! There's not really any way they can avoid knowing about any of it.


It was sarcasm. Kids have to deal with a lot of stuff on the playground, and there are enough other disturbing things going on that may or may not affect your children.

You need to let it go. You can´t puit up a supershield, deal with it.

Freedom of speach, this is a forum for the 2012 theory, what do people expect? Jeez. If you don´t believe in stuff, every post seems ridiculous.

Then what are you doing here?



If it weren't for half the paranoid, delusional, attention seeking idiots who haven't got a clue what they're banging on about, it would never have become so over-hyped in the first place. So I agree, people should think before they spout crap out of their bumholes.


Judging from your post you still have some unresolved issues yourself, haven´t we all? I´d say take your own medicine. sis.





Wow, did this thread hit a nerve?!

I'd bet my left boob that 99% of 12 year olds (and kids of ALL other ages) would crap their y-fronts if they watched a documentary about how we're "all going to die in the most horrific way imaginable". It has nothing to do with "mental health problems" (where the bloody hell did you pull that from?
). Children are sensitive souls and have vivid imaginations. They're very impressionable and a lot of them will believe anything they're told.
edit on 8-3-2011 by KatieVA because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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It has nothing to do with "mental health problems" (where the bloody hell did you pull that from?




It really, really bothered me and had me in a constant state of anxiety and panic. I couldn't sleep at night. My imagination went into overdrive. I was utterly convinced that the end was coming and that I would never live to be an adult.


I don´t want to offend you, but do you feel that is a mentally healty situation? And I said anxiety disorder.




Wow, did this thread hit a nerve?!


It did, with you, you spilled your guts, you got mad, called people names.



They're very impressionable and a lot of them will believe anything they're told.
reply to post by KatieVA
 


Jeah, it´s a hard job being a parent.



I'd bet my left boob that 99% of 12 year olds (and kids of ALL other ages) would crap their y-fronts if they watched a documentary about how we're "all going to die in the most horrific way imaginable".


You could die any day by any cause. The reality is a huge asteroid could hit us in five seconds from now.....

And hypothetically speaking, if this whole 2012 thing is true, would you want people to warn you and talk about it, or not?

Stuff is going on, and people are wondering.

edit on 8-3-2011 by UrgentInsurgent because: (no reason given)



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent


It has nothing to do with "mental health problems" (where the bloody hell did you pull that from?




It really, really bothered me and had me in a constant state of anxiety and panic. I couldn't sleep at night. My imagination went into overdrive. I was utterly convinced that the end was coming and that I would never live to be an adult.


I don´t want to offend you, but do you feel that is a mentally healty situation? And I said anxiety disorder.




Wow, did this thread hit a nerve?!


It did, with you, you spilled your guts, you got mad, called people names.



They're very impressionable and a lot of them will believe anything they're told.
reply to post by KatieVA
 


Jeah, it´s a hard job being a parent.



I'd bet my left boob that 99% of 12 year olds (and kids of ALL other ages) would crap their y-fronts if they watched a documentary about how we're "all going to die in the most horrific way imaginable".


You could die any day by any cause. The reality is a huge asteroid could hit us in five seconds from now.....

And hypothetically speaking, if this whole 2012 thing is true, would you want people to warn you and talk about it, or not?

Stuff is going on, and people are wondering.

edit on 8-3-2011 by UrgentInsurgent because: (no reason given)


Oh I do apologise, you're right of course!

I must remember that for future reference. If my son ever gets scared or has nightmares at night because he thinks the boogyman is hiding under his bed...or because he watched something scary on tv...or because one of his friends at school told him in the playground that a planet is going to collide with earth in year's time and we're all going to die - it MUST mean that he has a mental disorder! It couldn't possibly be because he's a sensitive little child with a vivid imagination. How could I get it so wrong? You should really think about becoming a psychologist by the way, you sure have some skills there.

AHEM.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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You should really think about becoming a psychologist by the way, you sure have some skills there.
reply to post by KatieVA
 


Agreed.

So you are saying that the problem was just a one time nightly scare and there was no problem of longer duration?

Then what the hell have you been going on about.

What´s the problem with 2012 theories, then?



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent



You should really think about becoming a psychologist by the way, you sure have some skills there.
reply to post by KatieVA
 


Agreed.

So you are saying that the problem was just a one time nightly scare and there was no problem of longer duration?

Then what the hell have you been going on about.

What´s the problem with 2012 theories, then?


Sweet Jebus.


Nope, I shat my pants nightly until the date of said prediction passed, when I quickly realised that we weren't going to die and that it was a load of over-hyped fear mongering rubbish.

I was a CHILD. This kind of behaviour in a child is completely normal and is NOT an indication of a mental disorder.

Anyway, I moved on, got over it, grew up and realised that sadly, there are people out there who will spread fear and false information to make money, get attention and satisfy their sadistic urges. I never said there was anything wrong with having a grown up, intelligent discussion about 2012 - but sadly some idiots have to take things too far.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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One has to wonder why a 'child' is being permitted to see this rubbish.

Sounds like parental lack of control.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 12:51 PM
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Anyway, I moved on, got over it, grew up and realised that sadly, there are people out there who will spread fear and false information to make money, get attention and satisfy their sadistic urges. I never said there was anything wrong with having a grown up, intelligent discussion about 2012 - but sadly some idiots have to take things too far.
reply to post by KatieVA
 


Insane. The whole theory is epic. When does one go too far with it.? Could you lay out some boundaries? Let´s just keep it 50 percent die off, to not scare everyone.



He makes a very valid point and what he's saying is spot on. I got hold of a Nostradamus book when I was 12, Nostradamus was "all the rage" at the time and there was a prediction that the "end times" were supposedly coming in the month of the total solar eclipse, or around that time if I remember rightly. I remember watching a documentary about his predictions - a load of over-dramatised, overhyped bollocks, which, as a child - scared the absolute bejeeesus out of me. It really, really bothered me and had me in a constant state of anxiety and panic. I couldn't sleep at night. My imagination went into overdrive. I was utterly convinced that the end was coming and that I would never live to be an adult. Thankfully I did, and as a mother now myself, I'd be devastated and pretty fecked off if my son believed any of this fearmongering crap and didn't enjoy his childhood years like he should.


You used this whole emotional argument to agree with the OP in his belief that this forum is dangerous.

And then you go on to say this,



Nope, I shat my pants nightly until the date of said prediction passed, when I quickly realised that we weren't going to die and that it was a load of over-hyped fear mongering rubbish. I was a CHILD. This kind of behaviour in a child is completely normal and is NOT an indication of a mental disorder.


So once again, what is the freaking problem, you say that it was not a big deal yourself.

I think we´re finished for today.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:03 PM
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Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent



Anyway, I moved on, got over it, grew up and realised that sadly, there are people out there who will spread fear and false information to make money, get attention and satisfy their sadistic urges. I never said there was anything wrong with having a grown up, intelligent discussion about 2012 - but sadly some idiots have to take things too far.
reply to post by KatieVA
 


Insane. The whole theory is epic. When does one go too far with it.? Could you lay out some boundaries? Let´s just keep it 50 percent die off, to not scare everyone.



He makes a very valid point and what he's saying is spot on. I got hold of a Nostradamus book when I was 12, Nostradamus was "all the rage" at the time and there was a prediction that the "end times" were supposedly coming in the month of the total solar eclipse, or around that time if I remember rightly. I remember watching a documentary about his predictions - a load of over-dramatised, overhyped bollocks, which, as a child - scared the absolute bejeeesus out of me. It really, really bothered me and had me in a constant state of anxiety and panic. I couldn't sleep at night. My imagination went into overdrive. I was utterly convinced that the end was coming and that I would never live to be an adult. Thankfully I did, and as a mother now myself, I'd be devastated and pretty fecked off if my son believed any of this fearmongering crap and didn't enjoy his childhood years like he should.


You used this whole emotional argument to agree with the OP in his belief that this forum is dangerous.

And then you go on to say this,



Nope, I shat my pants nightly until the date of said prediction passed, when I quickly realised that we weren't going to die and that it was a load of over-hyped fear mongering rubbish. I was a CHILD. This kind of behaviour in a child is completely normal and is NOT an indication of a mental disorder.


So once again, what is the freaking problem, you say that it was not a big deal yourself.

I think we´re finished for today.




So you're basically saying then, that you don't care if these kids have to live in a state of complete fear and anxiety for the next 18 months, if it means mindless idiots can carry on making youtube videos and starting threads spreading misinformed crap - because once December 2012 rolls round - they'll get over it. That's a pretty selfish way of looking at things.

When did I say it wasn't a big deal? Can you quote the part of my reply where I said this?

And I used my "emotional argument" as an example of what can happen when a child gets sucked into the hype of yet another "end of the world" prediction.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:10 PM
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Originally posted by PuterMan
One has to wonder why a 'child' is being permitted to see this rubbish.
Sounds like parental lack of control.

I don't have any kids, but I do agree with Katie's statement concerning that.


Originally posted by KatieVA

It's nothing to do with "shutting down the internet". Kids are hearing this stuff in the playground. There's even a film for god's sakes! There's not really any way they can avoid knowing about any of it.

If it weren't for half the paranoid, delusional, attention seeking idiots who haven't got a clue what they're banging on about, it would never have become so over-hyped in the first place. So I agree, people should think before they spout crap out of their bumholes.

I can remember when I was a kid, and the 1st time I ever heard the 'F-word.' It was on the playground of my elementary school. It was during recess. The fact that I heard that on the playground, had absolutely nothing to do with the way my parents raised me. Still to this day, I have never heard my mom or dad say it.

You cannot force your kids to live inside a plastic bubble. They have to learn on their own. However, they should not be learning false prophecy's of Doom that are so horrific that they would rather kill themselves, than to see the world collapse, and feel the pain, and witness the destruction that they are led to believe is in the near future. Yes, violence is everywhere, but thinking the entire world is going to be obliterated is extremely different.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Katie, I can completely understand where you are coming from. I think the fear-mongering has reached a new height in recent months. However, kids are going to read up on this stuff whether you as a parent, or me as a teacher like it or not. The more that parents, teachers, mentors, etc. keep trying to protect their children from this stuff, the more they are going to want to read about it.

I think open, honest discussion is the only way that we can give piece of mind to impressionable young brains. There is no way to know 100% that these theories are true, just like there is no way to know 100% that they are conversely false. There is no certainty in life, and I think that children should be afforded the opportunity to share their concerns with their parents without the fear of being judged or being called a "crack pot" because they have read this stuff. Should they have to worry about such things at a young age? I'd prefer that they didn't have to, but in an age where information is at the tip of our fingers, some things are going to be unavoidable. I said the same thing in my initial post to this thread.

Perhaps the 2012 "shift" won't be about a cataclysm, but rather a more open form of thought, including parents taking more time to actually talk to their children. In an age where the television or the computer does the babysitting, it would be a welcome change.

Critical thinking needs to move to the next level whether as adults or as children.




Peace be with you.

-truthseeker



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by bigjib
But, rather than sweep everything under the rug, which seems to be what you are suggesting, I take a different approach.


That's not what I was suggesting.


Originally posted by bigjib
I used that opening to engage in serious discourse with her about the subject. Teaching her not to beleive everything she reads, as much of it can be just plain wrong. I taught her to question it, and if she has questions, to come and talk to me.


Sounds good to me



Originally posted by bigjib
Instead, encourage the quest for knowledge on all levels, but instil in our youth (or in some cases, or adults) the tools and abilities to be able to question what they hear, and not believe everything they read. That's my two cents on it.


I certainly agree with those sentiments. But explaining some of the mechanics of this particular topic to a 7 year old isn't quite as easy.

Thanks for your post



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent
Yes officer Thought Police.


No problem, citizen



Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent
We wouldn´t want to destroy innocent souls that come to this site and might come across a 2012 thread.


No, we wouldn't.


Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent
Why not scrap all the forums here on ATS, someone might get offended, can´t have that now, can we?





Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent
Even better, take down the entire internet, what? Lock yourself in your house, don´t talk to anyone, they might say something that will make you kill yourself.





Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent
If you have such a problem with the whole 2012 thing, the last thing you should be doing, is posting in the 2012 forum.


Where would you prefer it to be placed?

Fragile Earth?
Peak Oil?
Food and Cooking?


Originally posted by UrgentInsurgent
Stay clear off it. You do realize this forum is here to openly discuss 2012?


Yes, which is why I chose this forum. Looks like I did get it right after all.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi
There are tons of dangers out there, Earth is not a "safe zone." Lotta crazy people here,


You can say that again!



Originally posted by JibbyJedi
and to say 2012 stuff is dangerous because parents aren't watching what their kids are doing online and with the TV.... well, how can you blame 2012 for that?


I don't blame 2012. It's just a date.

I blame all of those who are making money tricking gullible idiots. It's just unfortunate that kids get caught up in it all.


Originally posted by JibbyJedi
2012, planet X, Nibiru, ascension.... not the same things at the same time, people seem to lump it all in one, that's just laziness.


Oh, it isn't the same thing? Have a look through some of the threads here in the 2012 Forum. They all feature heavily.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Originally posted by Silencer 2012
2012 Prophecies Predicted and prophesied by almost all ancient cultures as a significant time in human history, if you think there's any comparison at all then you really are stupid.


Silly me



Originally posted by Silencer 2012
If you dont think all the warning that have been left for us are worth listening to then that's even more stupid.


What warnings?


Originally posted by Silencer 2012
We are already well into this change quakes and volcanoes kicking off left right and centre


Left, right AND centre!?



Originally posted by Silencer 2012
11. Those of us in the hills with food and water will sit back and ride the storm out
12. The new beginning minus 5-6 billion people


Good luck with that



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Nope, I shat my pants nightly until the date of said prediction passed, when I quickly realised that we weren't going to die and that it was a load of over-hyped fear mongering rubbish.
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I appologize, I actually mistook this for sarcasm.

You are saying you had to deal with this for eighteen months, and there was no one there to help you, to say that it was a load of rubbish? Parents maybe?

What about the rest of your environment, likely they weren´t having these issues.

How did this happen?

And why is it such a big deal if people bring the wildest theories here. It´s far from mainstream, I would be more worried about what mainstream is teaching your kids.

I see people here calling it fearmongering. No, a lot of people just feel like something is up.

If you don´t believe in it, and you fear that your child will be affected, how hard is it to talk to your children and say, this is what some people believe, and it´s not true.

Is that so hard. Be a parent for godsakes.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:55 PM
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Where would you prefer it to be placed?


Rant forum.

Like I posted earlier, in your ending statement you discouraged people to post new threads, and implied that they should censore themselves in order to spare a certain audience?



Do you call that promoting an open discussion?

Now tell me.



posted on Mar, 8 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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i was also letdown by the lack of any year 2000 armageddon.
i sit on the fence with 2012. i believed it years ago, but now as we approach i don't honestly think much will happen.
not to say i'm not ready if it does.. heck i'm one foot away from heading to the bush as it is anyway


but i don't think 2012 is an end anyway, i think it's a beginning if anything. an awakening.
and the more recent events i see of uprisings and just people finally shaking their heads and going "WTF am i doing?" (i'm noticing a good change in thinking in a lot of people lately) leads me to believe or atleast hope that 2013 will be a miraculous year for the human race.


..heck, that calendar had to end sometime right?





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