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The 2012 Phenomenon (and why it is so VERY dangerous to perpetuate this nonsense...), page 1
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Topic started on 8-3-2011 @ 08:16 AM by LiveForever8
December 31st, 1999.
23:59.
As far as I was concerned, I was about to experience the coolest thing that I could ever experience in my life.
I was eleven years old and the world all around me was about to go crazy.
Televisions would explode (probably), electrical appliances would go haywire, planes would fall from the sky, missiles would be launched, the internet would implode and economies would collapse (not that I cared much for economies at the time).
At least, that's what was supposed to happen. What actually happened was far less exciting. For when the clock struck 00:00 the only things that went haywire (and eventually collapsed) were my drunken relatives.
In the end the governments of the world spent a tidy $308 BILLION on the Y2K “problem”. I say “problem” because there are many who think that the whole Y2K issue was a big fat hoax...
And what a lot of people don't know is that we are going to have to face this terrible ordeal all over again thanks to the Year 2038 problem.
May god have mercy on us all
But yes, my point here is that a lot of people got really quite worried about the Y2K problem. Which brings me to my main point....2012.
I must first state that I think the whole 2012 phenomenon is a load of rubbish. I've researched both sides of the argument and I am 100% happy with my belief.
But I am an adult who is able to understand both sides of the argument and understand the evidence put forth by both. Which leaves me wondering; what would the eleven year old me think of it all? I suppose it's impossible to say. Although I think it wouldn't effect me much.
But everyone is different, and while my overall opinion on the issue (that is, in fact, a non-issue) hasn't changed, something has recently changed. For I used to believe it was harmless nonsense. "Okay, believe it if you must, I really couldn't care less."
But something has been brought to my attention recently that I think EVERYONE on this site, particularly believers, should be aware of. It is the following...
After reading that, I was furious with all of the money making charlatans who are peddling this ridiculous notion of a 2012 apocalypse, and you should be too!
A friend of mine once said that "you have to be an idiot to believe in that stuff", but I don't necessarily agree with that. After all, did you know that Sir Isaac Newton set his own "end times" date? Yep, he believed that the world would end no earlier than 2060, but did believe it was eventually going to happen. Of course, being the clever chap he was he didn't set a date in stone, as he had seen many before him be discredited by getting it wrong. "This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."
Newtons predictions were based upon his rigid belief in the Bible, so whilst not being an idiot, he certainly was deluded. And in the same way, children are not idiots, but they are easily deluded and confused by such outlandish and potentially harming theories. And when parents (who probably have little to no experience on this topic) can't give their children a quick, concise answer it is even more damaging. Of course, it is not their fault.
But it is the fault of every single person who continues to perpetuate blatant lies and disinformation. It is bad enough that because of sensationalised media reports we have young people commiting suicide because they were told the world would end as a result of a physics experiment.
So the next time you think about creating a new thread on this topic, perhaps think again. Think about who might be reading it and the effect it could have on them. Especially in light of all the recent "LOOK...NIBIRU!!!!!" threads.
I personally can't wait for 2013 to roll around so we can have done with this forum all together.
23:59.
As far as I was concerned, I was about to experience the coolest thing that I could ever experience in my life.
I was eleven years old and the world all around me was about to go crazy.
Televisions would explode (probably), electrical appliances would go haywire, planes would fall from the sky, missiles would be launched, the internet would implode and economies would collapse (not that I cared much for economies at the time).
At least, that's what was supposed to happen. What actually happened was far less exciting. For when the clock struck 00:00 the only things that went haywire (and eventually collapsed) were my drunken relatives.
In the end the governments of the world spent a tidy $308 BILLION on the Y2K “problem”. I say “problem” because there are many who think that the whole Y2K issue was a big fat hoax...
Others have claimed that there were no, or very few, critical problems to begin with, and that correcting the few minor mistakes as they occurred (the 'fix on failure' approach) would have been the most efficient and cost effective way to solve the problem. Editorial writing in the Wall Street Journal called Y2K an "end-of-the-world cult" and the "hoax of the century".
Wikipedia
And what a lot of people don't know is that we are going to have to face this terrible ordeal all over again thanks to the Year 2038 problem.
May god have mercy on us all
But yes, my point here is that a lot of people got really quite worried about the Y2K problem. Which brings me to my main point....2012.
I must first state that I think the whole 2012 phenomenon is a load of rubbish. I've researched both sides of the argument and I am 100% happy with my belief.
But I am an adult who is able to understand both sides of the argument and understand the evidence put forth by both. Which leaves me wondering; what would the eleven year old me think of it all? I suppose it's impossible to say. Although I think it wouldn't effect me much.
But everyone is different, and while my overall opinion on the issue (that is, in fact, a non-issue) hasn't changed, something has recently changed. For I used to believe it was harmless nonsense. "Okay, believe it if you must, I really couldn't care less."
But something has been brought to my attention recently that I think EVERYONE on this site, particularly believers, should be aware of. It is the following...
One of us regularly visits local school classrooms, giving an astronomy talk and Q&A session, and has been doing this for 5th and 8th grade classrooms for about three years. Beginning in 2008, a shift in the nature of the questions was noticed over the year before. Instead of the classic "What would happen if you fell into a black hole?" the questions are pointing more towards "What's really going to happen in 2012?" and "Somebody told me a planet is going to hit us in 2012". When the students were asked where they had heard this information, the top two sources named were Yahoo! Answers and YouTube.
In May 2009, a teacher left a comment on Astrogeek's blog, commenting on his 2012 hoax article.
…[I] am a teacher and my 3rd graders are hearing about this - A small child is talking about how if its ending, and why she shouldn't just end it now. This isn't anywhere close to funny any more.
On the comments page of this site, a mother of a 7 year old said:
I have a 7 year old that happened to see a documentary on the history channel that scared him so bad, that he became depressed and began to question the meaning of life. He is 7 years old. This nonsense is scaring our children - it must stop immediately. I found this website and tried the best I can to explain to him it was all a hoax.
In order to make some money, several 'authors', 'scientists', video producers, and, in select cases, even the History Channel have churned up an international hoax, which is scaring young people, children, to the point where they are talking about suicide, or questioning the meaning of life.
2012 Hoax
After reading that, I was furious with all of the money making charlatans who are peddling this ridiculous notion of a 2012 apocalypse, and you should be too!
A friend of mine once said that "you have to be an idiot to believe in that stuff", but I don't necessarily agree with that. After all, did you know that Sir Isaac Newton set his own "end times" date? Yep, he believed that the world would end no earlier than 2060, but did believe it was eventually going to happen. Of course, being the clever chap he was he didn't set a date in stone, as he had seen many before him be discredited by getting it wrong. "This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fanciful men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, and by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail."
Newtons predictions were based upon his rigid belief in the Bible, so whilst not being an idiot, he certainly was deluded. And in the same way, children are not idiots, but they are easily deluded and confused by such outlandish and potentially harming theories. And when parents (who probably have little to no experience on this topic) can't give their children a quick, concise answer it is even more damaging. Of course, it is not their fault.
But it is the fault of every single person who continues to perpetuate blatant lies and disinformation. It is bad enough that because of sensationalised media reports we have young people commiting suicide because they were told the world would end as a result of a physics experiment.
So the next time you think about creating a new thread on this topic, perhaps think again. Think about who might be reading it and the effect it could have on them. Especially in light of all the recent "LOOK...NIBIRU!!!!!" threads.
I personally can't wait for 2013 to roll around so we can have done with this forum all together.
reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 08:28 AM by movetovanuatu
reply to post by LiveForever8
Yeah I agree totally with that analysis, beleif is a dangerous thing. The real danger is that because of all the speculation and misinformation, somebody might actually try to end the world in 2012 just to fulfil the prophecy!
Dangerous stuff!
Yeah I agree totally with that analysis, beleif is a dangerous thing. The real danger is that because of all the speculation and misinformation, somebody might actually try to end the world in 2012 just to fulfil the prophecy!
Dangerous stuff!
reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 08:38 AM by bigjib
reply to post by LiveForever8
While I agree with you, I do take some exception to your thinking. I am still on the fence regarding the whole 2012 premise. My take on it is, if it happens it happens, and there is not a whole lot we can do about it. We should approach everything we read, and I do mean EVERYTHING from the serious science article to the rantings of otherwise not so trustworthy sources, with a grain of salt. I agree that the media sensationalizes everything, and should be brought to task for doing so. I too had a similar experience with my then 13 year old daughter, where she had heard some of the various theories on the 2012 matter, and was feeling quite anxious about it. But, rather than sweep everything under the rug, which seems to be what you are suggesting, I take a different approach. I used that opening to engage in serious discourse with her about the subject. Teaching her not to beleive everything she reads, as much of it can be just plain wrong. I taught her to question it, and if she has questions, to come and talk to me. I think half the problem with what you are describing is that parents are not engaging their children enough. You can't just sweep everything under the rug, asking everyone to stop searching for answers because it might be affecting somebody else. Instead, encourage the quest for knowledge on all levels, but instill in our youth (or in some cases, or adults) the tools and abilities to be able to question what they hear, and not beleive everything they read. That's my two cents on it.
While I agree with you, I do take some exception to your thinking. I am still on the fence regarding the whole 2012 premise. My take on it is, if it happens it happens, and there is not a whole lot we can do about it. We should approach everything we read, and I do mean EVERYTHING from the serious science article to the rantings of otherwise not so trustworthy sources, with a grain of salt. I agree that the media sensationalizes everything, and should be brought to task for doing so. I too had a similar experience with my then 13 year old daughter, where she had heard some of the various theories on the 2012 matter, and was feeling quite anxious about it. But, rather than sweep everything under the rug, which seems to be what you are suggesting, I take a different approach. I used that opening to engage in serious discourse with her about the subject. Teaching her not to beleive everything she reads, as much of it can be just plain wrong. I taught her to question it, and if she has questions, to come and talk to me. I think half the problem with what you are describing is that parents are not engaging their children enough. You can't just sweep everything under the rug, asking everyone to stop searching for answers because it might be affecting somebody else. Instead, encourage the quest for knowledge on all levels, but instill in our youth (or in some cases, or adults) the tools and abilities to be able to question what they hear, and not beleive everything they read. That's my two cents on it.
reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 08:39 AM by UrgentInsurgent
reply to post by LiveForever8
So the next time you think about creating a new thread on this topic, perhaps think again. Think about who might be reading it and the effect it could have on them. Especially in light of all the recent "LOOK...NIBIRU!!!!!" threads.
Yes officer Thought Police.
We wouldn´t want to destroy innocent souls that come to this site and might come across a 2012 thread.
Why not scrap all the forums here on ATS, someone might get offended, can´t have that now, can we?
Even better, take down the entire internet, what? Lock yourself in your house, don´t talk to anyone, they might say something that will make you kill yourself.
If you have such a problem with the whole 2012 thing, the last thing you should be doing, is posting in the 2012 forum.
Stay clear off it. You do realize this forum is here to openly discuss 2012?
The problem lies with you, the solution is very simple.
Don´t let the door hit you...
reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 09:12 AM by phishyblankwaters
reply to post by LiveForever8
Y2k is a good example of what happens when a few people misunderstand something, act in an alarmist fashion, and the media drives the myth into the mainstream.
y2k was a potential problem is some older computer operating systems that, for whatever reason, were not programmed to deal with the 1999/2000 date rollover. This is the extent of the danger. Worst case scenario, some banking systems would go down for a few minutes. that's it. All necessary infrastructure was updated well in advance, and even if they weren't, to the average human it would have been no big deal at all.
People misunderstood this to mean power plants would explode, bank machines would eat your money, and random garbage like that.
2012 is very similar except there is no actual event like with y2k. 2012 is a myth perpetrated by people with questionable knowledge of the Mayan civilization. Current academics will point out that the current 2012 hoopla has nothing to do with ancient Maya, no prophecy was made about the end of the world. This is a gross misrepresentation of the facts anyone can learn about from a simple google search (why isn't google an accepted dictionary term yet?).
Facts aside, when enough people spread the same information, be it valid or made up, some people will believe it. The more sources you have sending you information the more easily believable it becomes. For people like me it's quite easy not to fall for it as I think about things critically, ask questions, and actually research.
It's dangerous to keep these myths alive as some people honestly believe them.
The other potential side to that coin is a control mechanism. Fear is a control mechanism. Why do you think they spent so many hours replaying the 911 footage over the years? Fear! 2012 is the end, OMFG run for the hills.
As long as you believe 2012 is the end, and you are fearful of it, you'll be ignoring what's happening around you in the world, bank bailouts, higher taxes, end of social services, global meltdown, global revolution...
Who cares, it's almost 2012.
Y2k is a good example of what happens when a few people misunderstand something, act in an alarmist fashion, and the media drives the myth into the mainstream.
y2k was a potential problem is some older computer operating systems that, for whatever reason, were not programmed to deal with the 1999/2000 date rollover. This is the extent of the danger. Worst case scenario, some banking systems would go down for a few minutes. that's it. All necessary infrastructure was updated well in advance, and even if they weren't, to the average human it would have been no big deal at all.
People misunderstood this to mean power plants would explode, bank machines would eat your money, and random garbage like that.
2012 is very similar except there is no actual event like with y2k. 2012 is a myth perpetrated by people with questionable knowledge of the Mayan civilization. Current academics will point out that the current 2012 hoopla has nothing to do with ancient Maya, no prophecy was made about the end of the world. This is a gross misrepresentation of the facts anyone can learn about from a simple google search (why isn't google an accepted dictionary term yet?).
Facts aside, when enough people spread the same information, be it valid or made up, some people will believe it. The more sources you have sending you information the more easily believable it becomes. For people like me it's quite easy not to fall for it as I think about things critically, ask questions, and actually research.
It's dangerous to keep these myths alive as some people honestly believe them.
The other potential side to that coin is a control mechanism. Fear is a control mechanism. Why do you think they spent so many hours replaying the 911 footage over the years? Fear! 2012 is the end, OMFG run for the hills.
As long as you believe 2012 is the end, and you are fearful of it, you'll be ignoring what's happening around you in the world, bank bailouts, higher taxes, end of social services, global meltdown, global revolution...
Who cares, it's almost 2012.
reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 09:29 AM by BrokenCircles
reply to post by spolvil
From all of the information that is available as of right now, can you honestly say that you have any solid proof of 2012 being anything other than a man-made event?
As far as I have seen, it has only been words that "prove" anything about 2012. It is all pure speculation.
I agree with the OP, but the sad reality of it is that this will continue. It will continue throughout 2012, and will most likely gradually get worse and worse. Then before New Years Day 2013, there will already be something else on the horizon. I am sure it will be much sooner than 2038 too. There will most likely be a few in between.
reply to post by Silencer 2012
There is no need for name calling. I have a quick question.
All of this evidence from the ancient cultures that you are using to state this specific date, who told you? Was it the ancient beings that told you? Or was it modern man?
i think the two cannot be compared - y2k was a man made event. Whereas 2012 is supposedly (depending on which particular ending you subscribe to) a phenomenon from space or naturally occuring at the very least.
From all of the information that is available as of right now, can you honestly say that you have any solid proof of 2012 being anything other than a man-made event?
As far as I have seen, it has only been words that "prove" anything about 2012. It is all pure speculation.
I agree with the OP, but the sad reality of it is that this will continue. It will continue throughout 2012, and will most likely gradually get worse and worse. Then before New Years Day 2013, there will already be something else on the horizon. I am sure it will be much sooner than 2038 too. There will most likely be a few in between.
reply to post by Silencer 2012
Originally posted by Silencer 2012
Year 2000 a man made computer glitch that could never effect more than computers
2012 Prophecies Predicted and prophesied by almost all ancient cultures as a significant time in human history, if you think there's any comparison at all then you really are stupid.
There is no need for name calling. I have a quick question.
All of this evidence from the ancient cultures that you are using to state this specific date, who told you? Was it the ancient beings that told you? Or was it modern man?
reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 09:42 AM by JibbyJedi
reply to post by lostsock
Right on. It's better to be prepared and nothing happen than the opposite. For those who KNOW nothing is going to happen in 2012.....have fun with that. Must be nice to be a perfect psychic. Man made disasters are the bare minimum of what's coming, but I'm sure not preparing will turn out just fine.
Right on. It's better to be prepared and nothing happen than the opposite. For those who KNOW nothing is going to happen in 2012.....have fun with that. Must be nice to be a perfect psychic. Man made disasters are the bare minimum of what's coming, but I'm sure not preparing will turn out just fine.
reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 10:10 AM by JibbyJedi
reply to post by BrokenCircles
No I'm not missing the point. You know why kids and teens want to commit suicide? Because of reality, or the reality they're aware of that really sucks. I've been there myself so I can actually add some experienced information to this. Young people are highly influenced and the big corporations are responsible for their misery trickled down from royals, to the federal level, to the state, to the towns, to the parents, then to the kids.
If you want to blame someone, follow the money.
And reality does not = fear mongering, a lot of people get those 2 things confused. The TV news is fear mongering, Alex Jones, David Icke, etc. is reality mongering, difference.
No I'm not missing the point. You know why kids and teens want to commit suicide? Because of reality, or the reality they're aware of that really sucks. I've been there myself so I can actually add some experienced information to this. Young people are highly influenced and the big corporations are responsible for their misery trickled down from royals, to the federal level, to the state, to the towns, to the parents, then to the kids.
If you want to blame someone, follow the money.
And reality does not = fear mongering, a lot of people get those 2 things confused. The TV news is fear mongering, Alex Jones, David Icke, etc. is reality mongering, difference.
reply posted on 8-3-2011 @ 10:27 AM by Silencer 2012
reply to post by BrokenCircles
Now that really is a stupid question obviously from someone suffering from normalcy bias and quite clearly completely uneducated in any ancient cultures.
Why is so hard to accept that this could be the end of life as we know it every race and animal has been wiped out before why couldnt it happen again?
These things happen in cycles and were nearing the end of this one in 2012.
As for the specific dates yes there very very specific and come from cultures thousands of miles and years appart how could they all have the same date isnt that alone enought to consider preparing?
Our past it completely riddled with very important information, almost left as a warning to us now obviously you are sitting in front of the TV watching the news waiting on them telling you that something might happen well good luck with that as im looking at what is written in the past warning us of the future and i bet you a million quid if you actually spend a few months looking at the right stuff you would be 100% convinced that in the near future everything is going to change. Im not saying the world will end nor did the mayans they said its the end of the cycle and when the cycle ends bad things happen to the planet and the people before the new cycle starts, now if you want to see the new age start you better get off your ass and start preparing instead of comparing the most inportant time in human history to some stupid Y2K glitch.
SORRY THIS WAS FOR post by spolvil
Now that really is a stupid question obviously from someone suffering from normalcy bias and quite clearly completely uneducated in any ancient cultures.
Why is so hard to accept that this could be the end of life as we know it every race and animal has been wiped out before why couldnt it happen again?
These things happen in cycles and were nearing the end of this one in 2012.
As for the specific dates yes there very very specific and come from cultures thousands of miles and years appart how could they all have the same date isnt that alone enought to consider preparing?
Our past it completely riddled with very important information, almost left as a warning to us now obviously you are sitting in front of the TV watching the news waiting on them telling you that something might happen well good luck with that as im looking at what is written in the past warning us of the future and i bet you a million quid if you actually spend a few months looking at the right stuff you would be 100% convinced that in the near future everything is going to change. Im not saying the world will end nor did the mayans they said its the end of the cycle and when the cycle ends bad things happen to the planet and the people before the new cycle starts, now if you want to see the new age start you better get off your ass and start preparing instead of comparing the most inportant time in human history to some stupid Y2K glitch.
SORRY THIS WAS FOR post by spolvil
edit on 8-3-2011 by Silencer 2012 because: WRONG PERSON
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